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Originally posted by paraphi
Here we go again. All sitting in our comfie living rooms. We are worlds away from the 1930’s and none of us have any clue as to the impact of WW2 or understanding of a world engaged in total war, where every part of the national economy was directed towards a war effort in a fight for life. My two grandfathers fought in WW2 and my parents lived through it, one as an evacuee from the bombed cities.
Already in this thread we’ve had the “Hitler was a victim” and Great Britain was some sort of warmonger. Doubtlessly (because it’s a common theme in ATS) someone will start to fart on that it was the Jews that did it, etc... We have people who base their worldview on YouTube and have probably never tried to read a history book!
The fact is the allied bombing offensive in Europe and the Far East by the allies was a campaign to win a war at all costs and vise versa by the Axis. The allies did not have the benefit of GPS guided munitions.
Of course the bombing was two-way. Nazi Germany and the Italians in Europe merrily engaged in bombing civilian areas, as did the Soviets and the Japanese. Malta was the most heavily bombed places on the planet. As Bomber Harris said...
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
All credit to the sacrifice of RAF Bomber Command who suffered 55,700 killed and their USAAF brothers. Defeating facism was no joke. War today is just too clean.
Regards
Originally posted by RizeorDie
France and Britain were in the process of isolating Germany, Their next stop was Norway, Then it would have been the Balkans, and then Italy. Until Germany starves much like WW1
So Germany went on the offensive, shock and blitzkrieg they ended the war with france in weeks keeping causalities low by avoiding trench warfare and all the death and diseases that come with it.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
killing innocent civilians is never justified
just because someone else kills women in your city does not give you an equal right to also kill women in their city
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by RizeorDie
France and Britain were in the process of isolating Germany, Their next stop was Norway, Then it would have been the Balkans, and then Italy. Until Germany starves much like WW1
So Germany went on the offensive, shock and blitzkrieg they ended the war with france in weeks keeping causalities low by avoiding trench warfare and all the death and diseases that come with it.
So you are arguing that the Blitzkrieg in the West was justified?
How do you justify the German attack into Belgium, Holland and Denmark?
Were they isolating and starving Germany?
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by RizeorDie
killing innocent civilians is never justified
just because someone else kills women in your city does not give you an equal right to also kill women in their city
It could be observed that in light of the Germans killing at least 35 Russian and Polish civilians for every 1 German civilian killed in the Bomber Offensive (German Casaulties in WWII, Casualties in WWII), the bombing of German cities to shorten the war actually saved civilian lives.
For every 1 German civilian killed by allied bombing, the Germans killed at least 35 Russian and Polish civilians.
Anything that shortened the war saved Russian and Polish civilian lives.
edit on 17-2-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RizeorDie
So Germany went on the offensive, shock and blitzkrieg they ended the war with france in weeks keeping causalities low by avoiding trench warfare and all the death and diseases that come with it.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
In order to stop the British and French from taking Norway, the Germans had to intervene and without Denmark that would have been impossible for the Germans to get to Norway.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
Not only that, but by controlling Denmark the Germans would control entrance into the Baltic Sea and secure their sea shore in that area. So having Denmark was a most, and any country in their right mind would have done the same thing.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
The invasion of France was either through Switzerland or the Low Countries, there was no way an army could attack through the Maginot line, the french knew this.
France is a dirty player, for years they have poked Germany because they thought that they were too safe behind the Maginot line
Originally posted by RizeorDie
I do not justify the killing of civilians anywhere, period.
But your thread isnt about some German pilot justifying his killing of Russian civilians, its about a british bomber justifying death of innocent civilians
had the same title been contributed to a German pilot I would stand with the Russian civilians
Originally posted by RizeorDie
I dont understand how anyone would justify the killing of civilians and children and babies in order to save other civilians.
If someone breaks into my home and kills my family, I will not return the favor by doing the same to them, I will find those responsible and kill them, but I will NOT harm their innocent family members and children
some people here are sick minded, this is what happens when you spend too much time on the internet and conspiracy websites instead of socializing with the world outside, you lose emotions.
Originally posted by ollncasino
So you refuse to look at the larger picture and take on board that the bombing of German cities shortened the war and saved many more Russian and Polish lives than the German lives it took?
For every 1 German civilian killed by bombing, the Germans killed at least 35 Russian and Polish civilians.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
I dont understand how anyone would justify the killing of civilians and children and babies in order to save other civilians.
Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd
you simply cannot state that as some sort of fact, you may believe this to be the case, but there is clearly no fact on this matter- even if it were the case, which we don't have as fact, I still don't think it justifies burning German babies
Originally posted by RizeorDie
They banned Germany from the Olympic games in the inter-war period while Germany was paying heavy war reparations.
After that victory germany offered peace to britian, it was rejected.