<<BREAKING>>Executive order on cybersecurity coming after State of the Union address

egads! again...(stomping feet and pouting) 'if i cant get my way, i'll just make another EO..i'll so you guys!" when are the....'elected' officials going to realize that this president is trying to make them erelavent? when are the citizens going to realize that this president is going to implement, for lack of a better term, his own ideas about what is good for you? what would this EO do against any hackers anyway? it would only put more information about lawfull citizens in the hands of the govt.

its seem like people are all sitting here watching this and thinking.."this stuff doesn't REALLY mean anything, right? its not REALLY gunna affect me right?..it all just..'grandstanding'..right? these are not enforcable anyway..right??"

lord king bufu is really going for the gusto in his last 4 years......4 years...FOUR YEARS...we are not even 1 month into his last FOUR YEARS....it almost seems like he trying to start ...a civil war..or some type of civil uprising..then ALL THE EO's WILL COME INTO EFFECT....the govt does seem to be preparing for ..something..with all that ammo they bought and all the 'military' style exercises that have been going on in major urban areas and the pushing of drone use over u.s. skies and the scaling back of military operations overseas and and and and and....

reply to post by clearmind


I agree, it does seem as though there are plans going into place to oppress the people of the US. As if they know somthing is about to happen where these measures would be necessary for the survivability of the people as a whole, do to some calamity or wide scale disaster. Or for the sake of dominance over your fellow man, which is pure evil, and beyond redemption in my eyes.

Only time will tell, as there will never be enough willing to stand together and fight back, either with larger scale demonstrations, or large scale refusals to go to work, or provide services.

Neither will happen in the current geopolotical/socioeconomic climate of the country today. Most are happily sleeping while the alarms are going off, the safeguards are being skirted, and they are closing in on making it illegal toeven so much as speak against their agendas. So any act deemed to be outside their version of the "norm" will be grounds to lock one away without trial, appeal or any kind of recourse, save prayer in a uprising by the people, that you yourself know very well will never happen.

So either learn how to hide your opinions and your beliefs, or drop off the grid and hope they dont find you., because if your off the grid and they find you, your liable to be labled a terrorist and incarnated or worse.

How was it that Nixon was impeached? How was that accomplished? Were we as a people THAT different back then?

We are losing one right after another. No more privacy, US soil is now technically a battlefield, drones, kill lists, indefinite detention, legalized domestic propaganda, guns to be outlawed, false flag ops, mandatory RFID implants on the horizon, FEMA's stockpiling of ammo and building of camps etc, executive order after executive order and a whole host of other, rather large threats looming on the horizon. It cannot be denied that we are in the midst of tremendously significant changes and what we think about them has no bearing.

What will the catalyst be that jolts people enough to start hitting the streets? What's it going to take? Or will everyone just be complicit.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
You know, the internet is a beautiful, wonderful thing. A source of connection, inspiration, wealth.

But there isn't just good. There's the bad too. Predators, bullying, and hate speech.

You might want to ignore it and keep at what your doing, and not have any annoyances impeding what you want to do - but tough. No one has the right to use the internet to feed their criminal addictions, such as child pornography if you need an example. No one has the right to use the internet as an outlet to spew hate, harass and demean individual people or groups of people. No and I mean NO forum should exist, for pedophiles to get together and feed one another s depravity. No one has the right to the internet. It's a privilege. One we've abused, and if need be, should be taken away. If you don't like it, stop using it for negativity. We wouldn't need nanny state if we'd just grow up.

There are always consequences for creating things such as the wonder of the web. Ignoring the bad, to protect the good, is just enabling those who use the internet to spread hate, dis-contention, etc. It's a shame. But it needs to be dealt with. Since adults and adolescents alike, seem to think they can and should be able to do what they want, when they want, and how they want - and then do it- you get nasty legislation cropping up to stop the behavior - because some behavior on the internet IS criminal.

Peace,
Cirque

You must be a gun grabbing Obama lover.

There is how many billion people using the internet and you think it needs to be controlled and censored (essentially having all our pee pees spanked) because a FRACTION of those billions are poor excuses for human beings?

There are other ways to deal with these problematic people online that don't involve stepping on my goddam freedoms.

The problem isn't so much what this new bill has in it as much as its the fact that this skid mark is over abusing his power far too often and people need to stop turning the other cheek already.

I think myself and most other people are sick and tired of being told what is and isn't good for us!

FFS, when are the EO's going to stop?

a voluntary program of cybersecurity standards for companies operating vital U.S. infrastructure

Outrageous!!

Originally posted by Ghost375

a voluntary program of cybersecurity standards for companies operating vital U.S. infrastructure

Outrageous!!

Ghost whats the depth of your knowledge in regards to computers?

reply to post by Gtr003121
"The only thing worse than evil, is apathy. A crime we are all guilty of."
Don't know who said it, but he was dead on.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by vind21

 

WHY IS THIS GUY IN OFFICE

Because hes half black but his supporters just say hes black

I just don't think his ethnic background has anything to do with anything any more Schiller. It was a point of detail during the democratic noms. Reason being to present to the public actual change and it worked. Things are further from the truth more now then ever.

reply to post by optimus primal

They (government, financial institutions, et al) could have had half a brain and kept their systems and security updated. Instead they intend to fix a problem, that shouldn't exist if they had taken even a moment to be cautious, by doing this.

Blame the victim that's a good way to go. Firewalls and security systems like locks are only meant to keep honest people out.

I can't wait till the serious computer nerds and cyber overlords decide enough is enough and put the real hurt on these fools. They'll wish for the return of the days of script kiddies. You can't control the internet or the free flow of information, it's too late, and soon it'll be proven a stark reality. It's unfortunate it'll come to that, but what do you expect when the majority of people who own an internet capable device can't properly secure it or do more than push the power button.

Who do you think owns the internet? They can shut down the whole system faster than the time it took you to type out your post.

reply to post by vind21


Heres the twist: the government is "anonymous" and launched a series of insider attacks against themselves to generate a false flag that justifies the ramificatian of CISPA.

Originally posted by Ghost375

a voluntary program of cybersecurity standards for companies operating vital U.S. infrastructure

Outrageous!!

It does say voluntary it's not like they have to use it. But I think if they are getting money from the government then they should have to be required to use it.

Originally posted by digital01anarchy

Originally posted by Ghost375

a voluntary program of cybersecurity standards for companies operating vital U.S. infrastructure

Outrageous!!

Ghost whats the depth of your knowledge in regards to computers?

I'm sure I know more than most people about computers, but I'm far from an expert. There's a lot I don't know. But I know how to put one together. Haven't done it, but I'm doing it for my next one. I can build a website pretty easily. But I can't really do any serious coding or anything.
Why do you ask?

and look everyone, I'm as opposed to executive orders as anyone. Probably more so. Don't let my sarcasm fool you.

But we need to do something about them. We need to move to have them banned outright. Complaining that one man, Obama, is using them is just stupid and ineffectual.

Plus, did you know that more than half of the EOs Obama has passed are just reauthorizations of previous EOs(most of those being done by Bush)?

reply to post by Ghost375


What's the point of 3 branches of Government if the POTUS is just going to EO or reauthorize everything he wants?

Seems like every time there is something that the majority would NOT support, it gets an EO.

I do agree with you friend, that something needs to be done, but I'm pretty sure this is not the solution. Its the same as the gun thing in that its only gonna effect the law abiding citizens.

Executive orders are not laws, they are just directives to federal employees clarifying what a current law (passed by congress) means. Even then, EO's aren't authorized by the constitution at all and are technically illegal. I don't know at what point dictator in chief thought he could make laws all by himself, but one thing is for sure, either the masses don't know any history at all about their country, or they just don't care.

reply to post by HomoSapiensSapiens


Actually, White people are not as racist as they are portrayed. Hundred's of thousand White Americans voted for Obama, because they too wanted to see the first Black President and hoped he would do some actual change compared to the all White Presidents of the past. However, Obama has closer bloodlines with the British Royals then the average African American (God how I loathe that politically incorrect term).

reply to post by planefixer


Lots of us knew this five years ago.

51% of the population refuses to listen.

Originally posted by Attentionwandered
reply to post by vind21

 

Heres the twist: the government is "anonymous" and launched a series of insider attacks against themselves to generate a false flag that justifies the ramificatian of CISPA.

I agree 100%.

reply to post by WP4YT


They are indeed legal action, just as if the congress passed the law.

The underlying authority for issuance of specific executive orders is derived from the Constitution or from statute. As explained in Congressional Quarterly's "Guide to the Presidency" (1989) the power of the President goes beyond those authorities actually enumerated in the Constitution.

"‘Express' powers – those specifically named in the Constitution – like the veto give presidents a limited set of tools for shaping legislation. But powers implied in the Constitution, and given substance by years of continuous reinterpretation, are the source of the president's ability to act alone, often without specific congressional statute. . .

An offspring of the implied powers doctrine is the executive order.

This critical instrument of active presidential power is nowhere defined in the Constitution but generally is construed as a presidential directive that becomes law without prior congressional approval.

It is based either on existing statutes or on the president's other constitutional responsibilities.

Executive orders usually pertain specifically to government agencies and officials, but their effects often reach to the average citizen."

democrats.rules.house.gov...

They are a legal, although bad end run around the congress.


EOs along with lobbying need to be banned.

IMO.

reply to post by vind21


I thought the WH official could have been more subtle. From pressherald.com:

These and other potential actions suggest that Obama is likely to rely heavily on executive powers to set domestic policy in his second term. One White House official said that while the president does not see the actions as substitutes for more substantial legislation, he also wants to move forward on top priorities.

My interpretation: while an executive order is not a substitute for substantial legislation, an executive order is the counterpart of legislation.