Originally posted by WhoKnows100
If you want to argue that the term "father" can be used in reference to an elder who is our 'spiritual father on earth' or who is a "father in the gospel", then why would any Catholic forget scripture below and not discern spirits?
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44
"I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father." John 8:33
" You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself." John 8:41
"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?" Acts 13:10
It's as if Catholics have abandoned any sense of spiritual discernment and as such, still call a man who states the blasphemies above their "holy father". Please tell me, what is HOLY about a man who exalts Mary to co-redemption, co-Mediatrix and the source of salvation? Nothing. In what capacity can such a man be, in any sense, your spiritual father in Jesus here on earth? None. No man of God would EVER state these blasphemies, and therefore Catholics agreeing to call them "Holy Father" aren't even hearing nor obeying the words in all your quoted scripture above in support of the justification to call a man here on earth "father". Those passages which you quote in support of using the term "father" are completely ignored when it comes to discerning the difference between one who upholds the gospel as given to us and one who distorts and twists the gospel to support Satan. Calling those Popes "Holy Father" is tantamount to calling the twister of scripture your "spiritual father". Catholics are so trained by the RCC to defend against the worship of Mary and calling their pope "Holy Father" with a litany of scripture as proof, then don't stop to do what the gospel COMMANDS US TO DO - TEST ALL SPIRITS TO SEE IF THEY ARE OF OUR GOD. If you insist on calling those popes cited above "holy father", you have neither tested what they said against scripture nor discerned that their spirits are not of Our God. In which case, are they not your "spiritual father", the lusts and desires of which you agree with?
So, in context with my previous post, stating that Mary is the "co-redemptrix" is not a blasphemy. As for why we call the Pope "Holy Father":
Catholics call the pope "Holy Father" not as an acknowledgement of his personal state of soul but as an expression of respect for his office as successor to Peter and head of the Church on earth. His is a holy office.
As far as testing the spirits with regards to the Pope's direction, I'd say that is already covered:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Those words were spoken by Christ Himself. I don't think it can be any clearer. And with Apostolic Succession, I have no reason to believe that, despite what many ATSers and conspiracy theorists believe, it would be even possible. In my mind it goes like this; Jesus is God, Jesus spoke those words, I believe God is the Final Authority, so to believe the Church can be corrupted by Satan, would be to imply God breaks His own words.
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