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Muslim fanatics spouting on British TV: Call for terror, murder and the torture of gay people

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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I realy can not get what is so progressive in that to be gey, but, I don't contact them, in any way...




posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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What makes me laugh is the hypocrisy of the radicals, (note I always say radicals, I do NOT blanket the whole muslim community) if you look at Iran and many other very radicalised countries you will see there are huge numbers of gay men and women, all apparently Muslim.

Here in the UK there was a march by Lesbian Radical women, a sea of black clad burqua women which brought the numerous thoughts of

1. How can you be a Radical Gay? How does that work?

2. Are you then not supposed to stone yourself to death?

3. How do they meet each other while still covered in the burqua.

In truth I have to applaud these women, daring to come out as gay in Islam, but its almost overshadowed by the fact they still hide away in a country where they would be given shelter and safety.

And of course the biggest laugh for me is the viewing of porn, this disgusting filth thought only to be found in my computer room is actually most viewed in Pakistan, they search and view porn like its going out of fashion!

Maybe all the men look like Popeye?

But remember, these are holy clean people...

LOL
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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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On the topic of the porn...

It does seem, no matter where in the world you are and what religion you are, the more you try to suppress something, especially if it is something that is natural to humans, the more people will want it. In Islam, of course, we are told that pretty much anything fun and interesting is Haram, so I guess those suppressed urges have to come out somewhere...

Which, for comic relief, leads me onto one of favourite Southpark episodes, where Mrs Garrison is going over with the class why Islamic fundamentalism exists..

"Let's all look at why Muslims are upset. First of all, in the Muslim religion, you're not allowed to have what? Sex. Good. There's no sex until marriage in the Muslim world.

Now, this would be fine except that in the Muslim religion you also can't... Anybody?

Jack off. Okay, jacking it is strictly forbidden in the Muslim religion.

And what do we know about the places Muslims live? They live in? Good, sand.

Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. It's Friday night, but you can't have sex, and you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes and probably in the crack of your ass, and then some cartoon comes along from a country where people are getting laid, and mocks your prophet. Well, you know what? I'd be pretty pissed off too!"



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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I've studied Christianity, Judaism, and Islam relatively extensively and there is a lot of information that most people do not seem to know.


Not just most, I'd say the vast majority have extremely limited knowledge of these religions, even those they allegedly follow.



What these extremists are doing and saying is not really in line with the teachings of their religion, and rather they are misconstruing them.


But doesn't that depend on which interpretation of either religion one believe's in?- extremists don't view themselves as extremists - and it seems that 'extremist' interpretations are becoming more popular, certainly within the Islamic religion.



Anyone ever wonder why Saladin did not kill any of the Christians after he sacked Jerusalem during the Crusades? That may have had more to do with his ethics than religion, but still, he practiced Islam and led an all Muslim army.


But on two other occassions Saladin did slaughter his prisoners - that was pretty much the norm of the day - using the morals and standards of today to judge the actions of yesteryear is a mistake many make.



Now with that said, there are quite a few reasons why I believe Islam to be an amalgamation of Judaism and Christianity,


And with more than a sprinkling of local paganism thrown in as well.



Anyway, there is evidence in Muhammed's own sayings and teachings that indicate his understanding of these other two religions he so admired was limited. I find it hard to believe that someone who is a prophet would not understand the teachings that their new religion is based on.


Mohammed had what can be at best described as a very basic and limited education and understanding of religion - he was petrified of his own 'visions' and at times questioned his own sanity and even thought that the 'visions' may have come from Satan.



.... he also thought Jesus was born to a virgin because of an actual physical act with a heavenly being.


Err.....so do some fundamental Christians - you know the type; those who believe the earth is only 6000 years old and dinosaur bones etc were put there by God to 'test' us for some unfathomable reason.



Anyway, Islam does not hold that Jesus is divine, and they say he was a prophet, sort of like the Jews.


Yes, Islam does hold that Jesus was a Prophet of God and as such is revered, but nothing like Jews - they believe he was nothing more than a nationalistic preacher of sorts who blasphemously believed he was The Son Of God.
Jews hold no reverence whatsoever for Jesus.

The major difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity completely rejects all of Mohammads teachings and don't believe he was a Prophet at all.

To be honest, the Virgin birth is more of an issue between the various Christian denominations.

Whilst it is true to say that all the Abrahamic religions are related to each other it is also just as true to say that there are many fundamental differences between Judaism, Christianity and Islam and the transitions were not smooth or natural progressions.
The emergence of both Christianity and Islam caused immense social upheaval within a relatively short time.

As far as I can tell the teachings of Mohammad seem very confusing and contradictory at times and seem particularly brutal and repressive in places, more akin to The Old Testament teachings than those of Jesus and The New Testament and also resemble the ramblings of an at times confused and tortured mind - but to be fair there are some incredibly understanding, concilliatory, tender and insightful parts of The Koran.

Sems to me that part of the problem lies in 'men' cherry picking sections and interpreting them in such a way as to further their own agenda's and to exploit and control other 'men' - pretty much the same as any religion.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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NOOOO this couldn't be the Muslims

the same group of people that ABC, CNN and most liberal progressives call the religion of peace...

no couldn't happen



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 01:03 PM
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Enough with the anti-muslim bashing. It is not worth it, nor is it worth bashing anyone else, playing into the hands of those whom want us to be divided and kill each other.

We mankind must NEVER use evil against evil, more so when only words are spoken. Calm down and find out who are those whom had spoken, regardless if it is over religion, politics or economics, and hold them ACCOUNTABLE. When we do that, we will realize that it is only a minority few extremists whom had spoken, to stir up hatred for us to kill one another.

The moment we use evil to fight against evil, led by the minority, the fence sitters will jump on both sides, and all hell break lose. Do calm down. We are living in an educated and awakened age. Search for the truth.

WIth regards to religion, we had all along been worshipping the same common Creator, who loved us all. The central tenets of religion - christianity, islam, judaism, buddhism,etc is all the same, teachings from our common Creator who is known by many names across geological barriers, cultures, time and space.

Even atheist - those whom reject the Almighty, had only been following the moral and ethical guidelines laid down by Him since our current civilisation began, espacially those atheists whom had hurt or harm no one, and have yet to know Him on a personal one to one basis, as what the true church and religion is.

It is only some of religious leaders and the insane from all sides, whom had failed themselves and mankind, that had resulted in the true message by our Creator not being passed down, by their greed, ignorance, lust for power that had misinterpretated central tenets for self gain.

We are all only humans, one race, with common aims in life for ourselves and our future generations. We do not hate or want to kill one another. It is only the few whom want us to annihilate one another that had been stirring, and still do, to dance to their tunes.

We must wake up, share, discuss honestly, sincerely before its too late.....

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by billdadobbie
bet this falls under a hate crime PHONE THE POLICE somebody


It sure does. Your private opinion is one thing, but inciting violence is another. The brass of the wansee conference never personally lifted a finger against the jews or anybody for that matter. The therm is desk perpetrator.

Of course it does not mean all muslims share that view. The way they represent themselves on British TV makes it easier to justify being in Afghanistan and everything else, so no, they are not only not going to punish them for cutting themselves, they are going to keep them on the air, gleefully.
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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Mclaneinc
All this NOT unconnected, its coordinated at Mosques, places of learning and so on, the same places 7/11 was set up from.



You have Islamic relatives if I am not mistaken.

One mistake that many people make is to assume that Islam is much the same as Christianity.

They forget that people in Europe were still getting executed by Christians for blaspheming as recently as 1697.

Thomas Aikenheadwas a Scottish student from Edinburgh, prosecuted and executed at the age of 20 on a charge of blasphemy.

How is Blasphemy treated in the Islamic world today?

Typically imprisonment or death.


• Afghanistan
penalties up to execution by hanging

• Algeria
years of imprisonment and a fine

• Egypt
may be punished by the death penalty

• Indonesia
maximum of five years imprisonment

• Iran
Prison sentence or Fatwa seeking death

• Jordan
imprisonment (up to three years) and a fine

• Kuwait
punishable by death

• Pakistan
Punishable by death

• Saudi Arabia
penalties up to the death penalty for blasphemy

• Sudan
imprisonment and a fine

• United Arab Emirates
Imprisonment up to 10 years. Since 1993 that Sharia punishments may not be imposed on non-Muslims.

• Yemen
accused in Yemen is subject to Islamic law (Sharia). Sharia, according to some interpretations, prescribes death as the proper punishment for blasphemy

Islam and Blasphemy


At the least, someone who blasphemes is typically looking at a prison sentence in modern day Islamic countries. Often a death sentence.

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn

Sems to me that part of the problem lies in 'men' cherry picking sections and interpreting them in such a way as to further their own agenda's and to exploit and control other 'men' - pretty much the same as any religion.


The problem with that interpretation is that Muhammad's messages became more and more violent as he grew more powerful.

For instance, the Meccan Koran, when Muhammad was weak has no Jihad passages.

The Medinan Koran, on the other hand, when Muhammad was a powerful warlord, consists of 24% Jihad passages.

Statistical Islam



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 02:55 PM
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Has anyone heard of the gay mosque that opened in Paris?

www.bbc.co.uk...

Wonder how that would go over with the Imam in Tehran?



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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The problem with that interpretation is that Muhammad's messages became more and more violent as he grew more powerful.


More powerul.......and more paranoid.

During the latter part of his life Mohammed surrounded himself with sycophants who stoked his barbarity and paranoia.

And ever since then countless Imam's and clerics etc have compounded the issue by furthering their own agenda's in order to maintain control over a largely uneducated and indoctrinated population.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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Your post is getting rather boring now, I mean by looking at you're posting history son, a doggy seems to be on a mission to discredit Muhammad/Islam & Muslims in general & I'd say he's pretty manipulative and very conniving in my opinion.


What is the difference between YOU and those learner-ed men?


In the quotations below, Western writers have used the word Muhammadanism for Islam. The word Muhammadanism connotes worship of Muhammad, an absolutely unworthy statement for any learned man to use. Prophet Muhammad's mission was to propagate the worship of the One and Only God (in Arabic Allah), the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. His mission was essentially the same as that of earlier Prophets of God. In the historical context, many such terminologies about Muhammad, Islam, and Muslims were borrowed from earlier European writings of the Eleventh to the Nineteenth century, a time when ignorance and prejudice prevailed. The quotations below attest to the facts.




Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840




"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."

"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."




Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in ‘History of the Saracen Empire,’ London, 1870




"The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force."

“It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran....The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. ‘I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”


Continue

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 06:45 PM
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My but the years of Government brainwashing certainly seem to have worked well, at least from the posts I've read here. For so long we've been told how bad we all are, how intolerant, how discriminative and how we should all be better tolerant citizens to all comers, and yet despite all our alleged shortcomings, people still flock to the UK in droves!!

If we were all so bad why is it that these "asylum seekers" and "refugees" will crawl on their hands and knees through a dozen other countries specifically to get to the UK??? A small tiny island full of dreadful racists apparently but yet these people don't stop at France or the first safe haven, nope...they plunge on headfirst for Britain home of the intolerant who will then house them, give them benefits, oh and of course mobile phone to call home, cheques for cars so they can get about etc etc. Yup its tough here can't understand why anyone would want to live here.

These people leave countries that are allegedly so oppressive and unpleasant that their very lives are in daily danger, and yet what happens when they get to their nirvana of Bradford? They then try and impose the very same regime and restrictions they escaped from!!

Clearly, whether the Government likes it or not, not all cultures and faiths are compatible and no amount of legislation and criminalisation will change that. We are not an Islamic country but we have bent over backwards to accommodate all faiths and cultures probably more than any other country, and get laughed at for doing so. My friends in Denmark and Norway call the UK the "dustbin of Europe"....not something I'm proud of but then again National Pride is another dirty word (or 2 words) in this country.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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Open your eye’s people; it is the so called “friendly” Muslims demonstrating hate in the streets when someone sketches out a cartoon of Mohammed. I have NEVER seen Muslims out in the streets rallying together to demonstrate their love for this great country! And for those that say that it is only a small majority that are wackos…? Go ahead and burn the Koran, talk down Muhammad, etc..! I’m sorry people! I’m just not feeling the love! Are there really that many people out there that are so blind to the truth?

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posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 10:15 PM
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What do you expect to happen. Ofcourse the Brits are afraid of the mussies and they can say whatever they want. Thats ok because the UK will fall and become totally Muslim and then the brits will wonder what ever happened. This is what happens when you show your stiff upper lip. Shame.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
The problem with that interpretation is that Muhammad's messages became more and more violent as he grew more powerful.

For instance, the Meccan Koran, when Muhammad was weak has no Jihad passages.

The Medinan Koran, on the other hand, when Muhammad was a powerful warlord, consists of 24% Jihad passages.



Yet again, you took it out of context. As I had mentioned, please, please COMPREHEND the book and the prophet's life, don't just read it.

What do you do when you are embroiled in a state of war after gaining territories and earned the trust of those who believed in you for evolution and protection?

The barbabric pagan arabs then weren't exactly your friendly scholar neighbor who would talk to you on lofty subjects of evolution. They would gladly sliced off your head and your followers head if they had as much as half a chance. It was a different era that he lived in, but the motivations and principles remains the same throughout civlisation - the need to ensure stability at all cost.

If you had studied his life OBJECTIVELY, you would have realized that he was no warmonger once he gained Arabia and the tribes loyalties. What did he do to the Persian Empire when they hurt and harmed his followers in Arabia? He did not launch an army to wipe the persian empire when he could easily had done so.

No. He sent letters, to convince the Persian Empire to back down from such atrocities, each time with logic and reason, till he death.

It was after his death, the Abu Bakr, erraneously named first Caliph of Islam and Arabia in a religion that meant to have no single heirachy, launched the attack on the persians and won it within a mere 3 years. Abu Bakar was a immature hotheaded companion of the prophet, prone to violence. He almost mutinied with the prophet when he told him and his followers to disarm themselves for the conquest of Medina. Fortunately, the prophet won, but Abu Bakr's hot headed character did not change.

Even in the bible, we have the disciple Peter, who was a young and impetous immatured man which our Messiah worried about and gave special attention to him, an act misinterpretated by many, so that his fate may be averted. Unfortunately, it was not to be, for leadership fell into his hands and the rest is history for the world from the middle ages till today.

Today, it is up to us, this educated generation, to help unravel the misinterpretations of the past for the rest so that we may all acknowledge the mistakes made, correct them to progress and evolve. Truth will free us all and truth will always prevail.



posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 10:54 PM
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Great, more gay hate... when are people going to grow up, and think rationally? It still feels like the darn dark ages.



posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by SOLIDSNAKE101

...I mean by looking at you're posting history son, a doggy seems to be on a mission to discredit Muhammad/Islam & Muslims in general & I'd say he's pretty manipulative and very conniving in my opinion.



Unfortunately, Muslim radicals do a very good job of discrediting Islam all by themselves.

Surely it is time for the moderate Muslims to throw the extremists out of Islam?






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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
If you had studied his life OBJECTIVELY, you would have realized that he was no warmonger once he gained Arabia and the tribes loyalties.



Once Muhammad had conquered Arabia, he took the submission of the Arabian, Jewish and Christian tribes. On the positive side, after he conquered Mecca, he didn't force the citizens to convert to Islam, nor did he force conversions elsewhere.

Forced conversions have rarely been an aspect of Islam. Interestingly, nor did Christians force Muslims to convert during the crusades.

On the other hand, the tribute he extracted from his conquered, non Muslim, subjects could be very heavy.

For instance, in 628 Muhammad and his army of 2,000 attacked a Jewish tribe in Khaibar. After the Jews surrendered Muhammad demanded an annual tribute of half of their produce, while the land itself became part of the Muslims state.

Battle of Khaybar

In the aftermath of the battle, the Banu Nadir tribe were not so fortunate apparently. They were given no quarter and the females were divided between Muhammad and his men.




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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
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On the other hand, the tribute he extracted from his conquered, non Muslim, subjects could be very heavy.

For instance, in 628 Muhammad and his army of 2,000 attacked a Jewish tribe in Khaibar. After the Jews surrendered Muhammad demanded an annual tribute of half of their produce, while the land itself became part of the Muslims state.

Battle of Khaybar

In the aftermath of the battle, the Banu Nadir tribe were not so fortunate apparently. They were given no quarter and the females were divided between Muhammad and his men.

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If you had studied history indepth, you would have realize that the wars were tribal in nature, and some of the jewish migrants were not prepared to submit to this new upstart mortal professing a religion that resembles theirs in many aspect.

Thus those few tribes not only revolted against the prophet, they even betrayed him and his troops to the pagan barbaric arabs whom were fighting with each other, and thus the consequences they had to face with betrayal, similar with many other nations' practice of that era, even today.

However, those other jewish tribes whom had supported the prophet, were not molested nor had their lands taken away from them. They and everyone else children of the book had to pay a tax to the conquerors if they do not wish to convert to Islam, then the ruling religion of the hard fought land, so as to prevent any of the barbaric pagan arab coverts from backsliding. It was a time of nation building.

Many would call this as apologist, but the fact remains that it is difficult, if totally unwise to judge the past under today's peace and progressive environment in comfort under our airconditioners or heaters, for in the barbaric ancient days, it was absolutely a different world.

Prophet Muhammad had said during his last sermon that perhaps one day, the latter generations would understand what had actually transpired during his time. Today, we are that generation, and must seach for the truths, share and discuss, not subjective misinterpretations from supposed leaders ever again, either for or against Islam.

Islam was never meant as a tyranny, but a democracy whereby national decisions would be made by the community, and not the words of one or cronies. He left no heir or apppointed anyone even though he all the time to do so. But the arab world then was not ready for such enlightened concepts, reverted to tyranny and thus the tragedies we saw and see till today. The time for evolution has come.





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