Muslim fanatics spouting on British TV: Call for terror, murder and the torture of gay people

Fringe British Islamic TV channels are giving airtime to Muslim extremists who call for the murder of those who criticize Muhammad or leave Islam and for the torture of homosexuals.

• Radio Asian Fever, in Leeds, was fined £4,000 for broadcasting that homosexuals should be beaten and tortured, adding: ‘Torture them; punish them; beat them and give them mental torture.’

• Noor TV stated ‘There is absolutely no doubt about it that the punishment for the person who shows disrespect for the Prophet is death. No one disagrees about this'.

• Birmingham-based Peace TV, broadcast the phrase: ‘One group of scholars, they say that if a Muslim, if he becomes a non-Muslim he should be put to death.’

Ofcom, the communications watchdog, found the stations broke the broadcasting code by allowing the extreme opinions to be aired unchallenged.

Tala Rajab, who wrote the report for Quilliam, an anti-extremist think-tank, told the Sunday Telegraph the ‘shocking’ incidents raised serious questions over broadcast regulation.

He said: ‘If this had happened in a mosque the police would be right in pursuing a criminal investigation.

‘But because they are being broadcast on television channels for some reason there seems to be little appetite for looking into these extreme messages.

‘If these kind of comments were made against black people, for example, you can imagine a channel being shut down overnight, particularly if they had incited violence against a minority.’

Daily Mail

Why are the police turning a blind eye to such incidents?

Previously, in the UK, under the Public Order Act 1986 section 5

• A Christian was charged for calling homosexuality a sin.
• Another Christian couple were charged for calling Muhammad a warlord and stating a burqa was oppressive.
• Another man was charged for calling scientology a cult.

Yet Muslim extremists in the UK can call for the death of those who insult Islam, for the death of those who leave Islam and the torture of homosexuals with impunity?

This lack of even handedness by the British police is doing nothing to further UK inter-racial relations.

bet this falls under a hate crime PHONE THE POLICE somebody

Agreed - political correctness and minority rights gone mad. BUT - where do we draw the line on free speech? Which groups do we target? To whom do we say, "Nope - pull your head in, crawl back to your test tube and learn to appreciate the culture and country that you CHOSE and FOUGHT TO ENTER, legally or not, rather than the hellhole in which you were born"?

I just wish that being granted refugee status and/or residency/citizenship brought an element of gratitude and willingness to embrace the cultures and mores of their new country. I'm happy to help genuine refugees. I cannot begin to imagine the forces that drive someone to abandon everything that has ever defined or supported them as a human being. I understand that people yearn for a new life in a peaceful place. So who is supporting their discontent?

Originally posted by billdadobbie
bet this falls under a hate crime PHONE THE POLICE somebody

The Public Order Act 1986 section 5 outlaws threatening, abusive and insulting words or behaviour.

When John Terry, the England football team captain, was alleged to have said something racist to another footballer, the police maintained they had a legal duty to investigate the case because someone had telephoned them and complained.

John Terry to face criminal charges over alleged racist abuse

Yet apparently, calling for the torture of homosexuals or the death of those who insult Muhammad appears to not be a hate crime?

Originally posted by FartyMeBurpy
Agreed - political correctness and minority rights gone mad. BUT - where do we draw the line on free speech?

Where do we draw the line?

If I am not mistaken, in the USA it isn't an offense to say something racist unless it incites violence.

Calling for the torture of homosexuals, the death of those who insult Muhammad and the death of those who leave Islam, does seem to incite violence.

If I said such things, my feet wouldn't touch the ground. But then, I'm not a member of a politically correct minority.

It's called freedom of religious expression and freedom of speech, which is perfectly legal in the UK unless you are: white, British, christian, or any combination of the three.....then it is a jailable/finable offence, carrying a minimum penalty of 5 sharp fiery sticks up the bottom.

Ah, Islam, putting the fun in fundamentalist.

1. There are no conclusive evidence of homosexuals being such by nature or nurture. They just are, and are only our fellow human beings, endowed with the gift of life, equally precious amongst us hetrosexuals all, and means something special to another. They were not born out of a rock.

Therefore, there is NO justification for the discrimination, hurt or harm of them, for they are one of us too.


2. The Koran only condemns the sexual act and did not call for the murder of such men. The Bible in earlier chapters orders the death of gays, but it was uttered during a period when the hebrew community was small. The reason why gays were not tolerated back then was because the world's population was small, and if homosexual activities gain widespread tolerance and even followings, mankind would have become extinct.

Today, the world's population is big enough, to accomodate these fellow humans. Live and let live, but do not let such behaviours become the 'natural behaviour' of humankind, by teaching our young early, or mankind will end. Adoption is not the answer as those babies still come from heterosexual members and test tube babies are affected when they grow up, believing themselves as robots made to order and will change our world as we know it.

Furthermore, we mankind have to take responsibility for society's young refusing to adopt 'natural procreation habits'. The young today are poor, with little education or prospects in life, little security, etc, and thus difficulty in finding partners.

No point for anyone, including religious faithfuls, to put blame upon homosexuals when we DO NOT even want to acknowledge root causes to prevent homosexuality from rising.


3. The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time. It's inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.

Thus for anyone else who summararily demands the execution of a fellow human without justice served, is guilty of murder himself, and deemed a murderer in the eyes of the Prophet and his followers.


4. During his early years of fighting the Quruysh in Mecca, there were some who vowed to the new faith that prophet Muhammad had taught, and yet they betrayed him and thus during that time, like every nation on earth that deal with traitors, death was the only punishment.

Today, muslims are not at war with anyone. Prophet Muhammad had never forced anyone to take up Islam if their heart was not there, or he would have easily won Mecca from day 1. He did not do so, for he knew that there was no point in keep a man by his side if he did not have his heart.

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it. But equally so must muslim leaders find out why they are leaving, so that they can correct errors if any to progress. The fault may not lie with the believer,but the leader.


5. UK is a secular nation ruled and based upon protestant christian principles. Minority rights in the public space is protected, everyone including homosexuals. There is no need to fear or pander to extremists. Rather, dig out as much info as possible on the extremists, and deal with them incrementally, either by education or by rule of law, to end such extremists views.

I recently followed a car that had a sticker in the back window, it showed a picture of a moslim and it said..
"You may have your queen, but we've got your country"

I dont believe normal moslims go around spouting this stuff, what have they to gain except hate? Someone else is behind this stuff.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

It's (Mecca's) inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.

Muhammad assaulted Mecca in 629 with an army of 10,000 soldiers.

Conquest of Mecca

Either you are ignorant of Islamic history or you are trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time.

The first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, in 768AD, states clearly that Muhammad put people to death who criticized him.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it.

Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that the punishment for leaving Islam is death.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5

Leaving Islam is a capital offense in almost every Islamic country in the world today.

• Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty)
• Iran – illegal (death penalty)
• Malaysia – illegal in 5 of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
• Mauritania – illegal (death penalty)
• Nigeria – illegal in 12 of 37 states (death penalty)
• Pakistan – illegal (death penalty since 2007)
• Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
• Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty)
• Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
• Sudan – illegal (death penalty)
• Syria – possibly illegal
• United Arab Emirates – illegal (death penalty)
• Yemen – illegal (death penalty)

Apostacy


Either you don't know your own faith terribly well or you are engaging in a bit of spin.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

There are no conclusive evidence of homosexuals being such by nature or nurture. They just are, and are only our fellow human beings, endowed with the gift of life, equally precious amongst us hetrosexuals all, and means something special to another.

Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that homosexuals should be put to death.

"The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.."

Sunan Abu Dawud (Book #38, Hadith #4447)

In one poll, 0% of British Muslims felt that homosexuality was acceptable.

When 500 British Muslims were interviewed, none believed that homosexual acts were acceptable.

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll

Wikipdia reveals that homosexuality is illegal under sharia, with some imposing the death penalty for acts perceived as sodomy and homosexual activities.

Homosexual activity is illegal under sharia, though the prescribed penalties differ from one school of jurisprudence to another.

For example, these Muslim-majority countries may impose the death penalty for acts perceived as sodomy and homosexual activities: Iran, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia. In contrast, in some Muslim-majority countries such as Indonesia (outside of Aceh province), Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, same-sex sexual acts are illegal but there is no specific penalty.

In Turkey, homosexual acts in private between consenting individuals are legal.

Wikipedia

So Muhammad made it clear that the penalty for homosexuality was death, a poll of 500 British Muslims found that none of them felt homosexuality was acceptable and a look at Muslim countries around the world shows that homosexuality is illegal in almost all of them.

reply to post by ollncasino


I can easily put up writings by other authors on the biography of prophet Muhammad to prove you wrong, but then, what purpose would it have served anyone on ATS?

The fact that you use one source and hold it as the ultimate truth, will only deny whatever that I can put up here for others to read.

In anycase, it is up to every individual member who search for realities to find it out for themselves, on what really happened during the prophet's lifetime, and there are many other sources than Ishaq. And worse that you qoute from the hadith, a collection of essays written by others with different agendas long after the passing of the prophet Muhammad.

Just to keep it straight - He kept no journal during his time, nor did he had scribes following him around daily.

Who is doing the spinning? Best one find out for themselves, as knowledge is better treasured under one's own effort than to be spoonfed by others, or influenced by another's viewpoint.

reply to post by ollncasino


This is why I hate polls, 500 Muslims does not equal 100% of all Muslims.

I know two Muslims in my town, both are fully accepting/tolerant of homosexual behaviour (one of which is even friends with a few gay folk), therefore, by that 100% of all Muslims accept gay behaviour. (I know they don't, but my statement was to highlight the flaws in polls)

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

I can easily put up writings by other authors on the biography of prophet Muhammad to prove you wrong, but then, what purpose would it have served anyone on ATS?

But you don't because you know that biographies of Muhammad show him to be a violent warlord.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

In anycase, it is up to every individual member who search for realities to find it out for themselves, on what really happened during the prophet's lifetime, and there are many other sources than Ishaq.

Or they could read the Koran and Hadith?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

And worse that you qoute from the hadith, a collection of essays written by others with different agendas long after the passing of the prophet Muhammad.

Again, you are being economical with the truth. All of the Hadith I have quoted are canonical to the Sunni Muslims, who make up 85%+ of all Muslims worldwide.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Just to keep it straight - He kept no journal during his time, nor did he had scribes following him around daily.

What was the name of the Muslim scribe who followed Muhammad around, writing down verses of the Koran from Allah through Muhammad, but left because he decided that Muhammad was just making it up?

Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Who is doing the spinning?

Clearly it is yourself. Unfortunately, for you, I have studied Islam and Islamic history, and have pointed out your spins and outright attempts to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Good try though.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

It's (Mecca's) inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.

Muhammad assaulted Mecca in 629 with an army of 10,000 soldiers.

Conquest of Mecca

Either you are ignorant of Islamic history or you are trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time.

The first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, in 768AD, states clearly that Muhammad put people to death who criticized him.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it.

Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that the punishment for leaving Islam is death.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5

Leaving Islam is a capital offense in almost every Islamic country in the world today.

• Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty)
• Iran – illegal (death penalty)
• Malaysia – illegal in 5 of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
• Mauritania – illegal (death penalty)
• Nigeria – illegal in 12 of 37 states (death penalty)
• Pakistan – illegal (death penalty since 2007)
• Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
• Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty)
• Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
• Sudan – illegal (death penalty)
• Syria – possibly illegal
• United Arab Emirates – illegal (death penalty)
• Yemen – illegal (death penalty)

Apostacy


Either you don't know your own faith terribly well or you are engaging in a bit of spin.

BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps, same goes with Malaysia, Qatar, UAE, Syria, and dozen of Islamic countries.

as for the hadith you posted is quoted from 'bukhari'

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.

with that being said, try something other than copy pasting stuff from anti mohammedian websites

Originally posted by woogleuk

This is why I hate polls, 500 Muslims does not equal 100% of all Muslims.

You make a fair point. 500 Muslims doesn't equal all Muslims.

The fact that none of the 500 (if genuinely randomly selected from a representative sample of British Muslims), would however suggest that the acceptance of homosexual behavior amongst British Muslims is very low.

The Guardian article that cites the poll is itself is quite interesting.

The Guardian

It makes the point that European Muslims don't fail to integrate because of a rejection of Western institutions such as democracy. Rather, they reject Western sexual mores.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101


The first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, in 768AD, states clearly that Muhammad put people to death who criticized him.

more BS

a devout muslim?

you know him personally? does your mother know his mother?

the guy was an Abbasid sympathizer and puppet

The Abbasids are muslims by name much like the Saudi Arabians

The Abbasids held the Quran in one hand and the sword in the other hand, then they begun imprisoning and poisoning the grandchildren of the prophet Mohammed

how could they write anything good about a man they despised? they hated mohammed and his family, they were only after empire, and to control empire they had to control the people through religion

Ummayeds, Ottomans, Abbasids are all false representation of Islam

It comes down why there are Sunnites and Shiites

edit on 11/2/2013 by RizeorDie because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by RizeorDie
BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps

I think you will find that you are mistaken.

Iran: Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

Nice bit of spin though.

Originally posted by RizeorDie

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.

Have you told the Sunni Muslims this?

They appear to be under the impression that the Hadith I quoted are from the 6 most reliable books of Hadith in Islam.

Six Major Hadith Collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah)‎

You aren't trying to spin things away are you?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by RizeorDie
BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps

I think you will find that you are mistaken.

Iran: Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

Nice bit of spin though.

Originally posted by RizeorDie

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.

Have you told the Sunni Muslims this?

They appear to be under the impression that the Hadith I quoted are from the 6 most reliable books of Hadith in Islam.

Six Major Hadith Collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah)‎

You aren't trying to spin things away are you?

edit on 11-2-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Like I said kiddo, Iran will not harm anyone leaving Islam as long as they keep it to themselves

but if you start inviting others to join you thats when you'll get executed. read you own article for your own sake, the pastor organized meetings inviting people to christianity, no where did I say that you wont be hanged for this, however, you can leave Islam as you wish just dont go around calling others to follow you.

nice try but learn to read before you blab garbage

as for the sunnites, they'll work it out for themselves when they pass away much like the rest of us.

Originally posted by RizeorDie
The Abbasids held the Quran in one hand and the sword in the other hand, then they begun imprisoning and poisoning the grandchildren of the prophet Mohammed

A sword in one hand the Koran in the other?

That sounds like Muhammad to me. He did fight 8 major battles conquering the Arabian peninsula.

HistoryNet

Major battles were exactly that.

• At Kheibar in 628 C.E., the Muslim army was 2,000 combatants.
• When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630 C.E.) he did so with 10,000 men.
• And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000.

Source: Islamic Imperialism: A History by Karsh, E. (2007)