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Topic started on 11-2-2013 @ 02:53 AM by ollncasino
Fringe British Islamic TV channels are giving airtime to Muslim extremists who call for the murder of those who criticize Muhammad or leave Islam and for the torture of homosexuals.

• Radio Asian Fever, in Leeds, was fined £4,000 for broadcasting that homosexuals should be beaten and tortured, adding: ‘Torture them; punish them; beat them and give them mental torture.’

• Noor TV stated ‘There is absolutely no doubt about it that the punishment for the person who shows disrespect for the Prophet is death. No one disagrees about this'.

• Birmingham-based Peace TV, broadcast the phrase: ‘One group of scholars, they say that if a Muslim, if he becomes a non-Muslim he should be put to death.’

Ofcom, the communications watchdog, found the stations broke the broadcasting code by allowing the extreme opinions to be aired unchallenged.

Tala Rajab, who wrote the report for Quilliam, an anti-extremist think-tank, told the Sunday Telegraph the ‘shocking’ incidents raised serious questions over broadcast regulation.

He said: ‘If this had happened in a mosque the police would be right in pursuing a criminal investigation.

‘But because they are being broadcast on television channels for some reason there seems to be little appetite for looking into these extreme messages.

‘If these kind of comments were made against black people, for example, you can imagine a channel being shut down overnight, particularly if they had incited violence against a minority.’

Daily Mail


Why are the police turning a blind eye to such incidents?

Previously, in the UK, under the Public Order Act 1986 section 5

• A Christian was charged for calling homosexuality a sin.
• Another Christian couple were charged for calling Muhammad a warlord and stating a burqa was oppressive.
• Another man was charged for calling scientology a cult.

Yet Muslim extremists in the UK can call for the death of those who insult Islam, for the death of those who leave Islam and the torture of homosexuals with impunity?

This lack of even handedness by the British police is doing nothing to further UK inter-racial relations.


reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 03:55 AM by SeekerofTruth101
1. There are no conclusive evidence of homosexuals being such by nature or nurture. They just are, and are only our fellow human beings, endowed with the gift of life, equally precious amongst us hetrosexuals all, and means something special to another. They were not born out of a rock.

Therefore, there is NO justification for the discrimination, hurt or harm of them, for they are one of us too.


2. The Koran only condemns the sexual act and did not call for the murder of such men. The Bible in earlier chapters orders the death of gays, but it was uttered during a period when the hebrew community was small. The reason why gays were not tolerated back then was because the world's population was small, and if homosexual activities gain widespread tolerance and even followings, mankind would have become extinct.

Today, the world's population is big enough, to accomodate these fellow humans. Live and let live, but do not let such behaviours become the 'natural behaviour' of humankind, by teaching our young early, or mankind will end. Adoption is not the answer as those babies still come from heterosexual members and test tube babies are affected when they grow up, believing themselves as robots made to order and will change our world as we know it.

Furthermore, we mankind have to take responsibility for society's young refusing to adopt 'natural procreation habits'. The young today are poor, with little education or prospects in life, little security, etc, and thus difficulty in finding partners.

No point for anyone, including religious faithfuls, to put blame upon homosexuals when we DO NOT even want to acknowledge root causes to prevent homosexuality from rising.


3. The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time. It's inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.

Thus for anyone else who summararily demands the execution of a fellow human without justice served, is guilty of murder himself, and deemed a murderer in the eyes of the Prophet and his followers.


4. During his early years of fighting the Quruysh in Mecca, there were some who vowed to the new faith that prophet Muhammad had taught, and yet they betrayed him and thus during that time, like every nation on earth that deal with traitors, death was the only punishment.

Today, muslims are not at war with anyone. Prophet Muhammad had never forced anyone to take up Islam if their heart was not there, or he would have easily won Mecca from day 1. He did not do so, for he knew that there was no point in keep a man by his side if he did not have his heart.

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it. But equally so must muslim leaders find out why they are leaving, so that they can correct errors if any to progress. The fault may not lie with the believer,but the leader.


5. UK is a secular nation ruled and based upon protestant christian principles. Minority rights in the public space is protected, everyone including homosexuals. There is no need to fear or pander to extremists. Rather, dig out as much info as possible on the extremists, and deal with them incrementally, either by education or by rule of law, to end such extremists views.


reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 04:17 AM by ollncasino
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

It's (Mecca's) inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.



Muhammad assaulted Mecca in 629 with an army of 10,000 soldiers.

Conquest of Mecca

Either you are ignorant of Islamic history or you are trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time.


The first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, in 768AD, states clearly that Muhammad put people to death who criticized him.


• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq


Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it.


Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that the punishment for leaving Islam is death.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Link 1
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Link 4
Link 5


Leaving Islam is a capital offense in almost every Islamic country in the world today.

• Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty)
• Iran – illegal (death penalty)
• Malaysia – illegal in 5 of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
• Mauritania – illegal (death penalty)
• Nigeria – illegal in 12 of 37 states (death penalty)
• Pakistan – illegal (death penalty since 2007)
• Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
• Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty)
• Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
• Sudan – illegal (death penalty)
• Syria – possibly illegal
• United Arab Emirates – illegal (death penalty)
• Yemen – illegal (death penalty)

Apostacy


Either you don't know your own faith terribly well or you are engaging in a bit of spin.


reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 04:32 AM by ollncasino
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

There are no conclusive evidence of homosexuals being such by nature or nurture. They just are, and are only our fellow human beings, endowed with the gift of life, equally precious amongst us hetrosexuals all, and means something special to another.


Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that homosexuals should be put to death.

"The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.."

Sunan Abu Dawud (Book #38, Hadith #4447)


In one poll, 0% of British Muslims felt that homosexuality was acceptable.

When 500 British Muslims were interviewed, none believed that homosexual acts were acceptable.

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll

Wikipdia reveals that homosexuality is illegal under sharia, with some imposing the death penalty for acts perceived as sodomy and homosexual activities.

Homosexual activity is illegal under sharia, though the prescribed penalties differ from one school of jurisprudence to another.

For example, these Muslim-majority countries may impose the death penalty for acts perceived as sodomy and homosexual activities: Iran, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia. In contrast, in some Muslim-majority countries such as Indonesia (outside of Aceh province), Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, same-sex sexual acts are illegal but there is no specific penalty.

In Turkey, homosexual acts in private between consenting individuals are legal.

Wikipedia



So Muhammad made it clear that the penalty for homosexuality was death, a poll of 500 British Muslims found that none of them felt homosexuality was acceptable and a look at Muslim countries around the world shows that homosexuality is illegal in almost all of them.

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reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:16 AM by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by ollncasino


I can easily put up writings by other authors on the biography of prophet Muhammad to prove you wrong, but then, what purpose would it have served anyone on ATS?

The fact that you use one source and hold it as the ultimate truth, will only deny whatever that I can put up here for others to read.

In anycase, it is up to every individual member who search for realities to find it out for themselves, on what really happened during the prophet's lifetime, and there are many other sources than Ishaq. And worse that you qoute from the hadith, a collection of essays written by others with different agendas long after the passing of the prophet Muhammad.

Just to keep it straight - He kept no journal during his time, nor did he had scribes following him around daily.

Who is doing the spinning? Best one find out for themselves, as knowledge is better treasured under one's own effort than to be spoonfed by others, or influenced by another's viewpoint.



reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:23 AM by woogleuk
reply to post by ollncasino


This is why I hate polls, 500 Muslims does not equal 100% of all Muslims.

I know two Muslims in my town, both are fully accepting/tolerant of homosexual behaviour (one of which is even friends with a few gay folk), therefore, by that 100% of all Muslims accept gay behaviour. (I know they don't, but my statement was to highlight the flaws in polls)
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reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:29 AM by ollncasino
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

I can easily put up writings by other authors on the biography of prophet Muhammad to prove you wrong, but then, what purpose would it have served anyone on ATS?


But you don't because you know that biographies of Muhammad show him to be a violent warlord.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

In anycase, it is up to every individual member who search for realities to find it out for themselves, on what really happened during the prophet's lifetime, and there are many other sources than Ishaq.


Or they could read the Koran and Hadith?


Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

And worse that you qoute from the hadith, a collection of essays written by others with different agendas long after the passing of the prophet Muhammad.


Again, you are being economical with the truth. All of the Hadith I have quoted are canonical to the Sunni Muslims, who make up 85%+ of all Muslims worldwide.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Just to keep it straight - He kept no journal during his time, nor did he had scribes following him around daily.


What was the name of the Muslim scribe who followed Muhammad around, writing down verses of the Koran from Allah through Muhammad, but left because he decided that Muhammad was just making it up?

Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Who is doing the spinning?


Clearly it is yourself. Unfortunately, for you, I have studied Islam and Islamic history, and have pointed out your spins and outright attempts to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Good try though.



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reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:31 AM by RizeorDie
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

It's (Mecca's) inhabitants were against him all the time, until he won them over, not by sword, but by his faith and deeds on behalf of Allah.



Muhammad assaulted Mecca in 629 with an army of 10,000 soldiers.

Conquest of Mecca

Either you are ignorant of Islamic history or you are trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

The prophet Muhammad had never put anyone to death for criticising him during his lifetime, or Mecca would have ceased to exist during his time.


The first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq, a devout Muslim, in 768AD, states clearly that Muhammad put people to death who criticized him.


• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq


Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Equally, if anyone wishes to walk away, he should be free to do so, and Islam will be better off without them, for their heart is not in it.


Muhammad made it clear in the Hadith that the punishment for leaving Islam is death.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5


Leaving Islam is a capital offense in almost every Islamic country in the world today.

• Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty)
• Iran – illegal (death penalty)
• Malaysia – illegal in 5 of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
• Mauritania – illegal (death penalty)
• Nigeria – illegal in 12 of 37 states (death penalty)
• Pakistan – illegal (death penalty since 2007)
• Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
• Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty)
• Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
• Sudan – illegal (death penalty)
• Syria – possibly illegal
• United Arab Emirates – illegal (death penalty)
• Yemen – illegal (death penalty)

Apostacy


Either you don't know your own faith terribly well or you are engaging in a bit of spin.




BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps, same goes with Malaysia, Qatar, UAE, Syria, and dozen of Islamic countries.

as for the hadith you posted is quoted from 'bukhari'

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.

with that being said, try something other than copy pasting stuff from anti mohammedian websites


reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:46 AM by ollncasino
Originally posted by RizeorDie
BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps


I think you will find that you are mistaken.

Iran: Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

Nice bit of spin though.

Originally posted by RizeorDie

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.


Have you told the Sunni Muslims this?

They appear to be under the impression that the Hadith I quoted are from the 6 most reliable books of Hadith in Islam.

Six Major Hadith Collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah)‎

You aren't trying to spin things away are you?


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reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:53 AM by RizeorDie
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by RizeorDie
BS

in Iran you can leave Islam as along as you dont take it to the street and call others to join you, you can even tell the police that you left Islam and they'll send Ulama ur way to change your mind if it helps


I think you will find that you are mistaken.

Iran: Pastor to Hang for Apostasy in Iran

Nice bit of spin though.

Originally posted by RizeorDie

you know what bukhari said at the end of his hadith collection book?

he is not responsible nor can he prove that any of the hadiths quoted on behalf of Mohammed are true, for all he knows they could be fabrications. He only collected them to make it easier to researchers and in your case, Islam bashers to find footholds against Islam.


Have you told the Sunni Muslims this?

They appear to be under the impression that the Hadith I quoted are from the 6 most reliable books of Hadith in Islam.

Six Major Hadith Collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah)‎

You aren't trying to spin things away are you?


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Like I said kiddo, Iran will not harm anyone leaving Islam as long as they keep it to themselves

but if you start inviting others to join you thats when you'll get executed. read you own article for your own sake, the pastor organized meetings inviting people to christianity, no where did I say that you wont be hanged for this, however, you can leave Islam as you wish just dont go around calling others to follow you.

nice try but learn to read before you blab garbage

as for the sunnites, they'll work it out for themselves when they pass away much like the rest of us.


reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 05:53 AM by ollncasino
Originally posted by RizeorDie
The Abbasids held the Quran in one hand and the sword in the other hand, then they begun imprisoning and poisoning the grandchildren of the prophet Mohammed


A sword in one hand the Koran in the other?

That sounds like Muhammad to me. He did fight 8 major battles conquering the Arabian peninsula.

HistoryNet

Major battles were exactly that.

• At Kheibar in 628 C.E., the Muslim army was 2,000 combatants.
• When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630 C.E.) he did so with 10,000 men.
• And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000.

Source: Islamic Imperialism: A History by Karsh, E. (2007)

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