Talk of USA collapse going mainstream!

Originally posted by sulaw
So your a government employee who makes a decent living and does what he's told and doesn't ask questions. Makes satements like " To big to fail " . Wow~ If empires don't fall what happened to all the Ancients? A flawed response to a flawed system.

Comfortable lifestyle??? Seriously? I will laugh when they take the HDTV and Internet, whatever will the sheeple do.
Wait until they kabosh your section of employment like so many other government jobs and you join the rest of us.
Liberty is when the government fears it's people.Tyrany is when the people fear it's government.

Work? I'm retired - and I live on 2 well earned real entitlements too. 100% VA disability, and I am also the beneficiary of the FDR system of entitlement giveaways - now called the BHO system of communal living. My checks are coming from a system of entitlement that is waaaaaaay 2 big to fail. I won't tell you how much I make - its actually too embarrassing, but an Obama supporter would surely understand, and he might even smile a smile of approval - even though I'm obviously not one of them.

As an Independent I would probably vote for BHO if he were running again, even THO I do not like him at all, but he gets my 'entitlements' vote merely because I don't want to lose them - which is surely something that the Republican Party would like to deprive me of. Ya know what I mean?

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


That is a kind of fashion... It will pass by...

Ohh, is the sky falling in again?

Seems to happen about 5 times a day on ATS.

the whole interview seems rehearsed to me...call me crazy...the real story is in all the fake bonds floating around and the totally hidden system of finance tied to it...all this other stuff is just radar scatter

Its odd that our government has no debt because the people get shouldered with it because the government is the people, so our leaders and military suck up all the money, then the corporate welfare and bailouts, then the people get scraps just enough to live on, while the wealthiest ones retire to an island paradise or go into hiding and dissappear. But truth is well never be in debt or poor, because we can create Gold, Diamonds and other precious metals with technology. So truly we can just keep adding to our gold supply, which backs the dollar, then engineer a debt crisis to affect global socio-economic political change for a singular purpose, namely global control.

Originally posted by EequalsMC3

Originally posted by sulaw
So your a government employee who makes a decent living and does what he's told and doesn't ask questions. Makes satements like " To big to fail " . Wow~ If empires don't fall what happened to all the Ancients? A flawed response to a flawed system.

Comfortable lifestyle??? Seriously? I will laugh when they take the HDTV and Internet, whatever will the sheeple do.
Wait until they kabosh your section of employment like so many other government jobs and you join the rest of us.
Liberty is when the government fears it's people.Tyrany is when the people fear it's government.

Work? I'm retired - and I live on 2 well earned real entitlements too. 100% VA disability, and I am also the beneficiary of the FDR system of entitlement giveaways - now called the BHO system of communal living. My checks are coming from a system of entitlement that is waaaaaaay 2 big to fail. I won't tell you how much I make - its actually too embarrassing, but an Obama supporter would surely understand, and he might even smile a smile of approval - even though I'm obviously not one of them.

As an Independent I would probably vote for BHO if he were running again, even THO I do not like him at all, but he gets my 'entitlements' vote merely because I don't want to lose them - which is surely something that the Republican Party would like to deprive me of. Ya know what I mean?

edit on 11-2-2013 by EequalsMC3 because: (no reason given)

So your in the 47 percent that romney was talking about right?
No i was not a supporter of romney or obama. just saying this IS how obama got votes. Free phones, money, food stamps to all. As long as people get free stuff its all good right?
I know you may not fall into the above category but your reasonings for voting for obama are exactly what he wanted and he planned it well.

Edited to add-
I understand why you feel this way and its sad that this is what its become as they leave some no choice, as in your case. I mean no disrespect to you. I was mearly pointing out that this is how obama ran his campaign.

im scared of what is to come , it almost like you should drain anything that you call a savings & buy gold/ water/ & wait sad that my son graduates this year at 18 his countries future is limited at best

reply to post by EequalsMC3


I totally get where your coming from. And anyone who has worked for there retirement, surely deserves it. Though I cannot back these " Entitlements " you speak of.

The entitlements of retired senators, house reps, president et cetera are over the top. The benefits behind selling out a countryman/woman or your Nation for uber benefits.... Priceless..... Keep your Uber monetary possesions.

So the fact you keep voting for these "Knuckleheads" just to keep your entitlements, to me says "Part of the Problem".

I applaud you for being able to retire sir, and I mean no disrespect from the above, it's just the nature of the beast with us common fold down here. I wish I could say the same for the common folk in a Nation where my Generation might not ever see Social Security, let alone "Entitlements".

Now if you are a Veteran of America, I appologize 100,000,000 fold as I think they should be the ones with the entitlement not the pencil pushing educated derelict elites that created this conundrum of filth that will be left to my generation and thereafter to clean up.

Good day sir.

reply to post by JustJoe



Absolutely, bonds are one of the last things I would be holding!!

Invest what you can into precious metals. No matter what some may say(such as you cant eat gold/silver, so why have it?), gold and silver is REAL money, has been for millenia. Taking precious metals out of our monetary system is a big part of what got us here! Build up food/water reserves, store items that can used for bartering, arm yourselves and make your plans while you still can.

Terrible to have to think like this but whether it's tomorrow or 2 years from now, those who dont prepare on some level wont last long.

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


The economy is one long dependency chain of payments. if A doesn't pay B, B can't pay C, who can't pay C, who can't pay XYZ. You get the idea, and when critical mass of enough parties can't pay, the fit will hit the Shan. It will happen impossibly fast, well literally at almost the speed of light, now that all financial information is sent digitally.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
reply to post by nomnom

 

I keep hearing 2 to 3 years in the mainstream media but I'm pretty sure thats the point where it's no longer safe. The real decline is in process. Like a train wreck in slow motion.

I also have heard something like that, but it was in reference to the Chinese being ready for war. Perhaps it is intended to be orchestrated with Chinese readiness to take over, and right now our govt has been allowing China to take our lands, which they have taken from the people through eminent domain and conservation easements through Agenda 21.

I am gonna have to keep talking about Agenda 21 till everyone here gets sick of hearing. It's being implemented in every country which will allow it. The more I find out about it, the more dire it seems.

We just had a speaker talk here about it, and I found out some really crazy stuff. He says Gorby was part of it from the start and yes it is communism with a pretty face. People like Bill Gates and Al Gore are on board with it. These are wealthy people and will not be affected by the collapse.

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Talk of end of world on Dec 21, 2012 going mainstream!!!!!! Books written!! George Noory in a tizzy! MSM covers!!!

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Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
Talk of end of world on Dec 21, 2012 going mainstream!!!!!! Books written!! George Noory in a tizzy! MSM covers!!!

Oh wait ...

We are not talking about the Mayan Calendar. If anything, the Elites used it to scaremonger people with a fake prophecy, taking attention away from what they were really doing.

Your post shows how little you know of what is going on. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just evident.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I don't know, it's good to be skeptical, not to mention more optimistic about the world.

Psychologically speaking, people who are unhappy with the status quo seem to embrace conspiracy theories.

As for China wanting to start a war? They are nowhere near ready or able to take on the US military, never mind the navy. It'll be at least 10 more years until they make any major military moves, particularly towards Taiwan or Japan.

Till then, they're gonna bide their time, eager I'm sure to see the pacifists in America dismantle the US naval presence they have in the Pacific zone. .

People misunderstand the utility of the US dominance of the seas. It's not for fighting, but for policing international waters. Right now America - and thus the American economy - controls the major water ways in the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans. Both India and China are trying to change this, both beefing up their naval presence. Some people think this is a good sign, America can downscale their presence allowing other countries to play a larger role. But as Robert Kagan points out in "The world America Made", both China and India are not liberal democracies: the former is an autocratic tyranny while the latter is a socialist democracy. China plays by the rules of international law because they're in a weakened geopolitical position; they have no choice. But if the leverage were to change and China were to amass the type of power America has exercised for decades, how can anyone reasonably expect the liberal democratic order to survive? It takes a patron to keep it alive. Europe is too busy castrating itself in order to build themselves the perfect welfare utopia, meanwhile Russia's Putin laments the loss of the Soviet Union and China, unlike Europe, is fortifying themselves militarily and technologically.

The world is not gonna be as simplistically easy as many people imagine it will be. But I don't think were quite there yet. We have a few more years till the signs appear.

One of the biggest problems we have in Europe and in the US especially in that our government pension plans are way too generous. I personally know a retired teacher that does not work, but has way too much money. She lives by herself, divorced many years ago and all children are in their 50's. She has a new car in her garage that she rarely uses, a big house to herself and travels internationally every other month ad sends her grand kids on international hoiday trips, all on her government pension! I work full time for the last 30 years in the high tech industry and she is doing better than me and she does nothing! Sack lunchs everyday and no vacations and just recently could afford a HDTV (32"). My mother is 72 and still has to work because she can't live on SS alone and she has no pension! The Governmant pensions are a crime and unsustainable and should be completely revamped and they will be gone when the US crashes and takes the rest of the world down with them. Why do you think that every city, county, state and federal agency is cutback or broke? Government pensions and entitlements. Mark my words. It will happen, because our government in inept and polarized and when the dominos start to fall it will be quick. So prepare now, because our king Obama is starting to swing the axe harder in his grand plan to break our backs.

Most of what the guy is saying is true, its just the way he says it.

"a few more years before anything happens" its been "a few more years" for the past 20 years, this just proves that he is not sure about anything.

" my beliefs aren't strong, there just my beliefs" which would explain the first comment.

"what are your next steps?"... "I have no idea".... which explains the two statements privious to this one and kind of brings them all together.

The interviewer was obviously a liberal that belives anything she is told and parrots it in her interviews but this guy although right in a lot of what he says has no idea about anything for sure other then his Libertarian ideology's which explains the aloofness.

Point, how can you believe anything this guys says or believes, anybody can parrot what they read, its another thing to have your own opinions and "strongly " belive in them.....and he is the editor of what??.....just my opinion.

I thought this was nonchalantly discussed in MSM for the last few years now? I'm not an expert on this matter as much as others on here are but it is something I have followed attentively and in detail, and not just regarding the USA.

The way I see the whole situation at the moment, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that this all started with America going bankrupt in 1913. At that time, the original 'elite' of the modern day had combined their vast riches (The Rockefeller family for example were billionaires in the 1800s if I remember correctly, which is when they first decided to divide and conquer) and somehow managed to establish a privately owned reserve bank for the world (i.e taking the role of the dealer in monopoly, I am still quite unsure how this was so smoothly conducted and held under the radar from average joe). So far so true right? Then America asked this privately owned reserve to allow them to print money, but under the condition that a printed dollar can be traded for a set equivalent amount of Gold at any given time, right? Now this was done on an honour system as far as I'm aware, and therefore the American governments weren't too closely monitored on how drastically they printed money by these private reserve owners, they knew debt = control. Now since that date, we may aswell call this a new era of economics, one that is only now coming to an end, a century later.

America happilly printed loads of money and danced down the streets in joy as it spun it's head 360 degrees to appreciate the mass industry, military and financial centres that were being established all around the country. It happily funded wars and did shady dealings, because it could and had the money/CREDIT to do so, leaving these other countries in not so great positions (Germany attempting to take out the world to stop it's financial problems for example). Now at the same time, I forgot to mention, after WWII America managed to establish the US dollar as the World Reserve Currency over the Pound, meaning that every country had to export and take payments in dollars, meaning they had a loss on exports due to transaction costs where as America benefited from cheaper costs (no need to exchange). The other countries agreed to this based on the promise that they could trade their reserve dollars back for a set amount of Gold (America now playing the reserve banks tricks on other countries, getting big for their boots eh).

Fast forward to Vietnam and by now America has been furiously printing money left right and funding wars all over the place and other governments were starting to worry that America is printing way more money than it holds in Gold and some countries, notibly France I believe, attempted to trade their reserve dollars back into Gold. It was then when Nixon made that famous speech and said basically the Gold trading window was closed (Research the Nixon Shock). This was straight foul play in my opinion and America was aware it would reach this situation due to the "Triffin Dilemma" (read about it, explains this economic cycle's downfall).

Here's the interesting part; since that day, I'm pretty sure that practically every country that has attempted to make a public statement that it will accept a new currency for exports besides the dollar (i.e Gold or Euro) has been systematically invaded by America. Many people miss this information, as it is not often brought up in detail and left under umbrella terms like 'Oh yeah we invade for oil lolz'. Iraq attempted it in the 80s and faced war under Bush Snr. Iraq made another similar attempt in the year 2000 (research it), 1 year later 9/11 and 2 years later their country is torn apart, auctioned to the multinationals and became home to many military contractors and building contractors, all profitting from this massive orgy of American injustice. The same things happened all around the world, and the USA has effectively bullied every country that has attempted to walk outside it's rules (remember, due to America's almost unlimited printing conditions, their military expenditure is more than every country in the world combined). Seriously research, every country that has attempted in any way to cease trading and purchasing petrol in exclusively the dollar has been invaded by America promptly, with some sort of accompanying MSM story about bad people there.

You see, America and the Reserve know very well at this point that this reserve currency (also known as the PetroDollar) is the ONLY THING keeping America alive. They dropped the Gold standard, this is all your country has left, the advantage of the world reserve currency, and they know that the minute they lose priviledge that your economy is going to be DESTROYED within days. So I think basically what is happening is that USA is operating a calculated gambit in which they are literally ready to incur WW3 to remain dominant. That is the worrying aspect I'd say. Atleast, that's my take on it.

I like the interview, especially the part about how the economy has lived in a fairytale situation for the past 30 years. I never really understood the value of gold, you can't eat it, you can't build your house with it it's worthless. You can try to use it on women but what kind of marriage is that? You can build a castle out of gold maybe but then you would be setting yourself up for getting robbed or you get a lot of people on your doorstep who all believe gold is precious and so are you!

But personally I am looking forward to the great collapse. Then clothes will just be cotton or that acrylic stuff again instead of Versace or Gucci and you have to bow down to their houses and entire families. No more people who can play make believe they are more than they really are because they own Ferrari's. Or Chryslers but at least the USA made Transformers out of those hahaha.

Originally posted by Doomcake

edit on 11-2-2013 by Doomcake because: (no reason given)

Yeah enough of the Titanic please and all other money and resources wasting movies, everything needs to be digitized and it must all run on solar power so it can last long. I mean, just look at all the furniture that movie must have cost that would have made a lot of people happy but it gets wasted. I'm sure it added to the realism but it should have been done differently.

People just need a green room with actors in green suits and a lot of wiring and other equipment like computers to make entertainment and don't forget the many programmers and artists. Or continue like other money and resource wasting movies to help your ancestors with dealing with their trauma's and/or sending them to heaven otherwise nobody is going to heaven, it'll just be one long deep sleep until the earth is gone and alien civilizations can come get us out of our dreams and into the real existence. And the mediums who get to see the movie in the end can do their jobs convincing the spirits who don't want to go or simply can't because they don't know how or are too scared, too scary etc.