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Topic started on 10-2-2013 @ 10:54 AM by anti72
This is a great site, the writer is a professional molder and proposes very interesting theories/ experiments that show how the stones could have been built..

pumapunkutheories.webs.com...
pumapunkutheories.webs.com/kantatallita.htm


- Molded vs Chiseled Rock
- example, molding of ´ Arrow Rock ´
- the´Kantatallita´
- the famous ´ H stone´
- tooling stones
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reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:05 AM by solve
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good read, man, i also do a lot of casting,,, i have wondered and pondered a theory in my head that some of the puma punku stones were used to do steel castings.. remember those grooves that had little holes bored to them? they wood be good for casting connective pieces,, language barrier here,,,,,
you know, "nails" and and round bolts,, some pieces would create large steel plates,,
but my theory isnt ready yet,, still rolling pictures in my head.....
and i have also noticed that there is a possibility that some of these pieces could have been some sort of advanced concrete mix...
it would explain many things that some of the larger stones were also casted on the spot,,
less labour....
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reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:10 AM by punkinworks10
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Hi,
I'm going to be the stick in the mud right now, the stones were absolutely not poured.
They were mined from know quarries.

] Based upon detailed petrographic and chemical analyses of samples from both individual stones and known quarry sites, archaeologists concluded that these and other red sandstone blocks were transported up a steep incline from a quarry near Lake Titicaca roughly 10 km away. Smaller andesite blocks that were used for stone facing and carvings came from quarries within the Copacabana Peninsula about 90 km away from and across Lake Titicaca from the Pumapunka

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Why do people have to try so hard to deny the absolute mastery of stone masonry these people achieved.



reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:14 AM by solve
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yes we have evidence of stone quarries,, but that doesnt prove that maybe, some stones could have been casted..
for example some stone types are so hard that you would need extremely tough tools to shape them,
just an idea...

check my avatar,, imagine making a mistake and chipping it after +2000-hours of hard work...
would bee so annoying
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reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:28 AM by punkinworks10
Originally posted by solve
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post by anti72



good read, man, i also do a lot of casting,,, i have wondered and pondered a theory in my head that some of the puma punku stones were used to do steel castings.. remember those grooves that had little holes bored to them? they wood be good for casting connective pieces,, language barrier here,,,,,
you know, "nails" and and round bolts,, some pieces would create large steel plates,,
but my theory isnt ready yet,, still rolling pictures in my head.....
and i have also noticed that there is a possibility that some of these pieces could have been some sort of advanced concrete mix...
it would explain many things that some of the larger stones were also casted on the spot,,
less labour....
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Nope
Besides the fact that no andean cultures made it into the iron age, let alone learned how to make steel,
that idea would required whole new level of infrastructure, such as iron mimes, coal mines or huge nearby forests fuel, blast furnaces and so on .
Could not be used to cast steel or iron or any high melting temp metal, thermal shock would fracture the rocks and exposed to such high temps would transform the minerals in the rocks. The sandstones would positively not handle the molten metals.


Wouldn't it be so much easier if puma punku was just a ceramonial plaza, like many others in the andes.


reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:46 AM by anti72
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no, its not ´only´, but many of the stones seem to be cast. He explains how some om them, the interesting ones, have destintive patterns..please read all of the pages on his page.

of course many of other stones are from stone quarries..

but for my eyes his theory is the best by far till now.
and the best..no ´aliens´ necessary

cheers
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reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 11:49 AM by solve
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some of the puma punku stones were connected with double T parts,, check it out,,
there is still some sort of metal today in those parts,, and it was poured in to them...
besides they had extremely good knowledge of metallurgy...
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reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 03:30 PM by solve
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of course they cut stones,, but maybe,, just maybe they could somehow also "melt" stone?
and if stone cant handle molten steel without cracking,, what a surprise,, many of those stones are cracked,,
many of the stones are also "negative" in general dimensions,,
and for the metal used,, the scientist could never get the entire range of metals used for these "clamps"
there are --X-- metals included in the results,, thats kinda interesting
also there are lots of legends about deep metal and coal mines in south america,,
many ancient tunnels that go deep in the mountains and underground,,
and they are monkey ass old, man,, who knows if they even had to cut all the trees, back in the day,,
you know, like easter island?


reply posted on 10-2-2013 @ 06:05 PM by Zanti Misfit
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Interesting Theory this man has , but some of those Stones have been Documented to be made out of Andesite and other Granites . How could a Cement type Liquid Slurry be made out of these types of Rock ? Seems to me the Only way to Liquidfy those Rock Types would be through Intense Heat as in a Volcanic Eruption Lava Flow . Lava could be formed into Molds , but did these Ancient People somehow have the knowledge to do just that ? I doubt it .........Hmm.....
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reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 01:58 AM by solve
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do you all remember those "half tubes",, maybe for lava flow,,?
or termite- type ingredient,, it isnt that hard to make....




reply posted on 11-2-2013 @ 04:50 AM by anti72
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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post by anti72



Interesting Theory this man has , but some of those Stones have been Documented to be made out of Andesite and other Granites . How could a Cement type Liquid Slurry be made out of these types of Rock ? Seems to me the Only way to Liquidfy those Rock Types would be through Intense Heat as in a Volcanic Eruption Lava Flow . Lava could be formed into Molds , but did these Ancient People somehow have the knowledge to do just that ? I doubt it .........Hmm.....
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well, you would have to precisely analyse and catalogize ALL of the stones to say ALL the H-blocks are made of grey or red sandstone whatever. Many of the huge ones are made of sandstone, not granite or diorite.
But its wrong to say ALL are made of granite-or-diorite-and-can-only-be-cut-with-diamonds- generalisizing-BULLS**T.

Also, the ancient alien-speculation is BS ..OF COURSE the original builders were master masons.
They were able to carve stone, remembering the carvings for the metal alloy clamps.

these look like cast stone.The owner of the site I posted showed how these destintive patterns occur during the casting process.
imageshack.us...


reply posted on 2-3-2013 @ 03:55 AM by anti72
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it is not either/ or as previously mentioned, rather both.

cheers
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