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Dude .. your so called 'facts' aren't facts. It's just a bunch of baloney put out by paranoid Seventh Day Adventists and Jack Chick.
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"Pope Pius XII in 1939 instructed Cardinal Bertram to send a birthday message to Hitler: 'warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany' which was added, 'fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.' These greetings became a tradition and were sent every April 20th." ["Hitler compared to God/Jesus/Christians", by Jim Walker]
So even after Czechoslovakia, Kristallnaght and the persecution of the opposition, the Jews, those who were born handicapped, etc, the Church send in its "warmest regards".
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"Pacelli became a crowned Pope on March 12, 1939 (Pius XII). The following month on April 20, 1939, at Pacelli's express wish, Archbishop Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin, opened a gala reception for Hitler's fiftieth birthday. The birthday greetings thus initiated by Pacelli immediately became a tradition; each April 20 during the few years left to Hitler and his Reich, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin would send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany," to which he added 'fervent prayers which the Catholics in Germany are sending to heaven on their altars'." [Cornwell, John, Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, Viking, 1999, p. 209]
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Adolf Hitler died a Catholic in good standing within the Catholic Church, was never excommunicated, and was supported by the Vatican even after the war! Rome established and operated an escape route through Italy for former Nazi officials that has become known as the "Vatican Rat Lines" ["Unholy Trinity", by Mark Aarons and John Loftus]
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Why after 60 years the Vatican has not excommunicated Hitler?
After 60 long years and countless witnesses and evidence of their evil, why the Vatican has not excommunicated Roman Catholic leader Adolf Hitler?
Under considérant Sané Bull (1317 / issued by Pope John XXII (which has never been revoked) permits of deceased persons to be convicted of heresy and after that being excommunicated, including all their assets confiscated . Tens of thousands of people during the past seven one hundred years have been excommunicated and convicted under the law of the Catholic Church.
So why not Hitler? There is absolutely no doubt that Hitler was baptized and confirmed as a Roman Catholic. So why the church refused to excommunicate him, by their own laws long?
"Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time."
Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 5
"But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty."
Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10
"Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."
Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1
Catholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth. Germany's Catholics were proud as peacocks to count their Fuerher as one of their own, so long as he was putting Germans back to work, and making them proud of their powerful country, following the period of great economic depression and the humiliating shame they had suffered after their defeat in World War One. Hitler was not only allowed to "get away with murder", he was allowed to conduct mass-murder by the millions. Because Hitler has since been defeated and his villainy has come to be seen for what it was, Catholics now want to believe that their church must have repudiated Hitler in his day. But try as they may to rewrite history, the fact is that once Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, neither the pope in Rome as leader of the church worldwide, nor the bishops of Germany, ever denied membership or even public access to the sacraments to Hitler himself, nor to the many, many, other Nazi leaders of the Third Reich who claimed membership in the R.C. church.
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"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christ- ianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory". - Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, (Knight of the Order of Christ) published on the 3rd of May 1945, the day of Hitler's death. (published in "Reforme", July 21, 1945.)
“Kevin P. Spicer’s deeply researched and deeply disturbing book, Hitler’s Priests, ...is absolutely convincing.... A priest and member of the Congregation of Holy Cross, Spicer has an insider’s grasp of the church’s organization and governance. He has combed through an impressive number of diocesan and government archives to assemble a list of 138 “brown priests,” who were either members of the Nazi party or at least active supporters of the program. His book is devoted to a detailed account of the radical nationalism and virulent anti-Semitism that led these men to believe that they could be followers of both Hitler and Christ.... The question of how representative these brown priests were haunts Spicer’s book.”
— James J. Sheehan, Stanford University, Washington Post “Book World”
“Hitler’s Priests will contribute to the much debated argument of the level of Catholic Church resistance, conformity, and accommodation to the Nazi regime. Spicer’s use of archival materials is almost superhuman. Perhaps the most important element ... is the information that he has managed to unearth on these fairly unknown individual priests.”
— Beth A. Griech-Polelle, Bowling Green State University
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Dozens of documents -- many from parish archives -- include:
* A chillingly dispassionate entry dated Nov. 26, 1942, from the Austrian Bishops' Conference, which skims over the mass deportation of Jews to Nazi death camps by noting that over one year, "33 transports of 1,000 each have gone to Poland." By that time, some bishops were signing off with "Heil Hitler" on official letters and priests were authorized to display the swastika.
* Influential Jesuit Mario von Galli described Jews as "God's murderers" who deserve persecution. In 1940, as Gypsies started joining the Jews on death trains packed to the suffocation point, the Vienna archdiocese urged all parishes to do their utmost to "combat the Gypsy chaos" in the Austrian capital by reporting Gypsies to police.
* The parish newspaper "Erdberger Pfarrblatt" urged Catholics to support Hitler by declaring: "One people -- one Reich -- one Fuehrer -- one God!"
* Rural priest Franz Mandl, in a lectern-thumping speech, called Hitler "the greatest human being" -- one of dozens of priests who were documented praising the Nazi dictator.
* An internal church document blamed Jewish politicians and writers for the decline in pure-race Germanic births.
* A listing of pro-Hitler Austrian clergy staying in or promoted to leading positions after the war. It included Bishop Alois Hudal, who boasted of helping about 50,000 war crimes suspects hide or escape. Among them was Franz Stangl, commander of the Treblinka death camp in Poland, where 800,000 Jews were killed. He was arrested in Brazil after two decades on the run, using a false passport procured through Hudal.
LA Times article - Austrian priests support for Hitler detailed
Father Jozef Tiso (13 October 1887 – 18 April 1947) was a Slovak Roman Catholic priest, politician of the Slovak People's Party. Between 1939 and 1945, Tiso was the head[1][2][3][4][5][6] of the Slovak State, a satellite state of Nazi Germany. After the end of World War II, Tiso was convicted and hanged for war crimes.
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etc etc etc .... Again .. when you are quoting the same old tired out propaganda and JACK CHICK bunk, then there is no need to read it. Nearly everything you post is the same and it all gets proven wrong. And you never admit it.
I'd like to see the Vatican BUTT OUT of what other countries do. Unless it has to do with working for the rights of Catholics around the world to worship as they wish .. they should butt out. The Vatican making statements about Americans and gun control or about American border security .. it's none of their freak'n business.
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He never had a chance ....
Poisoned before he could get even a peek at the corrupt Vatican bank.
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If the Cardinals are into the New World Order mode, then you’ll see a Salt of the Earth Left Winger elected. The corrupt Cardinals who run the Vatican Bank will make sure that whoever gets in will NOT be someone who will be checking into the finances very closely. Pope John Paul I was elected and those Cardinals quickly poisoned him off. Pope John Paul II learned from that and didn’t go near the banking or the banking Cardinals.
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- Your arguments against Alberto Rivera has crumbled...
The only people who are defending that fraud are, like you, crackpot anti-Catholics.
non-Catholic sources, who have no reason to fabricate evidence.
But, of course, they're most likely Illuminati / Jesuits in disguise / Satan, so who cares about the facts, eh?
Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers, and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell it is this Society of Loyola’s.
...the favorite policy of the Jesuits, that of assassination.
I care about the facts, the facts you provided me turned out to be crap.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
I actually have nothing against Catholics but for me there are only two religions in the world
The Roman Catholic Church and the Seventh-day Adventist Church. They represent the two extremes of Christianity...either Rome is right to claim authority and we should all be Roman Catholics or we should all keep to the authority of the Bible and be SDA's simple.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
What I would most prefer you do is start a new thread of your own on the Catholic vs SDA issue and I will answer you there and we can get more posters into the mix. Fair?
Originally posted by paraphi
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Can you summarise (in your own words) what you have tried to say in numerous external sources and quotes. In your own words in perhaps just a couple of concise paragraphs.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
The video is from a man I respect a great deal, Malachi Martin, a renowned Catholic exorcist who was also an expert in ancient languages and spent time in high positions inside the Vatican and close to the Pope a few decades back.
Caller: My question is, I wanted to know if you were familiar with the, a, story that came by--at least to me--by Hal Lindsey--the evangelical author and prophetical scholar?
M.M.: Yes, I like Hal very much. I think he's God-like.
Caller: He's on the ball.
M.M.: He's on the ball...I do esteem Hal Lindsey very much. (Source)
On New Years Day, 2004 former Pope John Paul II called for a "new world order... based on the goals of the United Nations." When a world leader uses this terminology, it can only mean one thing. He is a part of the Luciferian conspiracy to create a totalitarian world government. According to Piers Compton, a former Catholic priest, the Papacy was actually subverted by the Illuminati in 1958 when John XXIII became Pope. This was the culmination of a 200-year campaign to infiltrate and destroy the Catholic Church.
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 40). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
Ironically, when Leo XIII died in 1903, a Freemason, Cardinal Mariano Rampolla, was almost elected Pope. Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria vetoed his appointment in the last moment. . The Illuminists had to wait another 55 years to gain control of the Papacy. When Pope Pius XII died in 1958, a Freemason Cardinal Angello Roncalli, became Pope John XXIII. Predictably, his first act was to begin to remove the element of Divine Revelation from Catholic teaching, and to embrace naturalism, materialism and Communism. These steps were taken at the Ecumenical Council in 1962 and Vatican Two in 1965.
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 41). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
Cardinal Giovanni Montini, who succeeded John XXIII as Pope Paul VI in 1963, was also a Freemason and socialist. (In 1944 Pope Pius XII had dismissed him as Vatican Secretary of State for conducting secret negotiations with the Communists.
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 41). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
Paul VI also embraced a sinister symbol used by Satanists in the Sixth Century, which had been revived by Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ. Black magicians and sorcerers in the Middle Ages had used it for occult purposes. It represented the "Mark of the Beast." Compton: "Yet not only Paul VI but also his successors the two John Pauls carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds who had not the slightest idea that it stood for the anti Christ." (72)
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 42). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
In 1976, the journal Borghese printed a list of 125 top clerics who were Freemasons in contravention of Church law. It included their dates of initiation and secret code names taken from the Italian Register of Secret Societies. Compton prints the list, which includes the heads of Vatican radio and press, Catholic education as well as numerous high officials, Cardinals and Archbishops. Because Paul VI was Pope, nothing came of it. Sounding very much like the Mason he was, Paul said in 1969: "We are about to witness a greater freedom in the life of the Church...fewer obligations and fewer inward prohibitions. Formal disciplines will be reduced...every form of intolerance will be abolished." (104) This attitude is explained by reports that from 1936-1950, the future Paul VI was part of a Communist espionage network, a part owner in a chain of brothels and financed erotic films. (110)
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 42). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
On Nov. 27, 1983 Pope John Paul II issued a Papal Bull that legalized secret society membership for Roman Catholics. While ostensibly a celibate priest, Compton suggests that Woytyla's behavior resembled a Bohemian artist. He was involved in theatre in Poland and penned a play about prostitution. Compton reproduces pictures of him when he was a Bishop or Cardinal. He is with a woman and child on a beach. The child is climbing on him. They look very much like a family.
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 43). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
The Illuminati are Satanists. They engage in Satanic ritual (human) sacrifice and every form of sexual perversion. Blair and Obama belong to the Illuminati. Their aim is to destroy religion by throwing them all into a blender. A phony world "religion" will emerge led by the Antichrist and dedicated to Lucifer. Blair's talk of being an "instrument of God's love" is classic Orwellian doublespeak: the words are the same but the intent is exactly the opposite. Similarly, Satan's agents, Illuminati Christian impersonators, have replaced real Christians at the head of "Christian" societies. Their role is to discredit God, Jesus, Christianity and true religion.
Makow, Henry (2010-06-01). Illuminati 2 - Deceit and Seduction (p. 45). Silas Green. Kindle Edition.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Considering that you are using Henry Makow as a source to support your argument I will post some other interesting things by him as well.
Non-critical thinkers, who dismiss facts in favour of ridiculous conspiracy theories that fulfill what you want to believe, no matter how far fetched they happen to be.
you don't want them banning something that you have no need of, because you think it the beginning of a slippery slope. But the past has shown us that this is largely an unfounded concern. In 1985, the United States passed the Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act, which banned "cop killer" ammunition that could penetrate bulletproof armour. I don't remember a number of other bans which followed on from that
adjensen quote from gun control debate
No correlation between gun ownership and murder has been found, and data does not show that an assault weapons ban would magically stop — or even decrease — mass shootings. In fact, when the assault weapons ban was previously in place from 1994 to 2004, mass shootings actually showed a slight increase.
Gun Control Law Will Not prevent Crime – Infowars Article
look beyond paranoia or even legitimate concern and question whether that threat is real, or merely assumed. Not for a moment do I arbitrarily dismiss the concerns of Second Amendment proponents, in legitimate defense of that tenet."
adjensen quote from gun control debate
A newly leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” outlines how military assets are to be used domestically to quell riots, confiscate firearms and even kill Americans on U.S. soil during mass civil unrest.
The document (PDF), which is dated 2006 and was used for a self-learning course at the U.S. Army Military Police School at Fort McClellan, makes it clear that the operations described in the manual apply to both “CONUS and OCONUS,” meaning inside the Continental United States and outside the Continental United States.
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The manual also describes how prisoners will be processed through temporary internment camps under the guidance of U.S. Army FM 3-19.40 Internment/Resettlement Operations, which as we reported earlier this year, outlines how internees would be “re-educated” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States.
On page 20 of the manual, rules regarding the use of “deadly force” in confronting “dissidents” are made disturbingly clear with the directive that a, “Warning shot will not be fired.”
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This 115 page manual represents a shocking new insight into how the U.S. military will be used domestically to violently quell unrest in the aftermath of a total economic collapse or other national emergency.
Army Manual Reveals Plans to Kill Rioters and Demonstrators in America
An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.
To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years
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A Study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.
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While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fulling automatic assault rifles [which are only good for mowing down waves of people] , labeling them “Personal Defense Weapons.”
Infowars Article Feb 7th 2013
"But," adjensen adds, tapping his finger on the headline, "I can't imagine Joe Biden or President Obama rumbling their fingers together, gleeful at the prospects of disarming American patriots, simply for the benefit of the tyrranization of America.
adjensen gun control debate
You just gotta love the audacity of the U.S. federal government and its active staging of crimes in order to achieve political goals. Operation Fast and Furious is the most recent example of a U.S.-run criminal conspiracy pursued for the ultimate purpose of dismantling the Bill of Rights. It involved ATF agents running a criminal scheme that sold literally tens of thousands of guns to Mexican drug gangs, after which the government planned to call for "gun sales restrictions" following the wave of gun violence that would inevitably result.
There was only one problem with the government's evil plan, however -- some ATF agents blew the whistle, and then the whole conspiracy exploded in their faces. Now even the mainstream media -- which usually won't touch government conspiracies -- is all over Operation Fast and Furious.
Secret recordings emerge over Operation Fast and Furious and the ATF's conspiracy to put more guns into the hands of Mexican drug gangs
Despite the Obama administration’s best efforts to characterize Operation Fast and Furious, a recently revealed ATF program that sought to put U.S.-based firearms into the hands of Mexican drug smugglers, as little more than a ‘screw up’, the most damning evidence strongly indicates that the whole operation was in fact an attempt to launch a false flag assault on the second amendment rights of the American people.
Under Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives “Sanctioned the purchase of weapons in U.S. gun shops and tracked the smuggling route to the Mexican border. Reportedly, more than 2,500 firearms were sold to straw buyers who then handed off the weapons to gunrunners under the nose of ATF.” Some of the weapons were later used to kill US Border Patrol agents like Brian Terry.
An editorial posted at Investors.com this week asks, Was Fast and Furious a gun control plot?, a reasonable assumption to make given the fact that Obama has openly revealed his administration’s plans to sabotage the second amendment by stealth
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the notion that the Obama administration would deliberately implement a program they knew could later be used to demonize gun rights is hardly conspiratorial given the fact that Obama himself told gun control advocate Sarah Brady earlier this year that his administration was working “under the radar” to sneak attack the second amendment.
During a March 30 meeting between Jim and Sarah Brady and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, at which Obama “dropped in,” the president reportedly told Brady, “I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)….We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
The quote appeared in an Apr il 11 Washington Post story [page 2] about Obama’s gun control czar Steve Croley.
Obama Administration Caught Running False Flag Against Second Amendment
The level of outright criminality in the Obama administration is now apparent to almost everyone [except for adjensen it seems]. In the face of incriminating documents being released regarding the lawbreaking Fast and Furious operation pulled off by Attorney General Eric Holder, President Obama has invoked executive order to prevent their release.
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Eric Holder and the Obama administration are involved in a deep conspiracy that resulted in the murder of U.S. law enforcement agents. The point of the operation, however, was to cause a spike in gun violence in America which could then be invoked as justification to crush the Second Amendment and outlaw firearms ownership across the country. It is, without question, the most evil government false flag operations we've seen since 9/11.
Obama's Nixon moment: Executive Order invoked to block release of incriminating Fast and Furious documents
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre proclaimed today that Obama will claim not to have pursued an anti-gun agenda during his first term, but Obama is really conspiring to destroy the second amendment of the constitution during his second term.
Speaking to CPAC today he said, "All that first term, lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term."
The Obama campaign’s strategy goes like this:
1.Neutralize gun owners and NRA members as a political force in the upcoming national election by pretending to be pro-gun or at least not focused on pushing a gun-control agenda;
2.With gun owners neutralized, Obama will be able to win the election. After the president is re-elected, he won’t have to answer to voters because he won’t have to face another re-election battle;
3.Launch a full-scale, all-out assault to rip the Second Amendment out of the Bill of Rights through legislation, litigation, regulation, executive orders and international treaties — in short, every lever of power at the administration’s disposal.
Daily Caller
Seabag posted 11-2-2012
President Obama faced twenty parents last month, who had lost their first grade children at the hand of a madman armed with a weapon that had capabilities that you and I both agree are excessive and unnecessary." adjensen gun control debate
Original reports were that 3 guns were found at the scene of the Sandy Hook elementary school mass shotting in Newtown, Connecticut.
2 HANDGUNS & 1 ASSAULT RIFLE
Latest reports are that 4 handguns were found inside the school.
Video shows authorities retrieving the assault rifle from the trunk of Lanza’s car outside the school.
But at a press conference today the Medical Examiner said, “All the wounds I know of at this point were cause by the long weapon.” A reporter then clairifed, “So the rifle was the primary weapon?” The Medical Examiner replying, “Yes.”
So the assault rifle found outside the school in the trunk of Lanza’s car was used to kill every single person?
And the 4 handguns found inside the school weren’t used at all?
NBC Reports AR15 Not Used in Sandy Hook Massacre, Only Handguns
while I think that there are alternative solutions, all of them are less effective than the obvious preventative solution -- getting rid of weapons that no reasonable person truly needs
adjensen gun control debate
We've also heard the reason the United States has a "gun crime problem" is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.
New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.
Townhall.com
A 1997 Justice Department report on murders in the U.S. shows that our country has a murder rate of seven victims per 100,000 population per year. There are a number of well-known examples of countries with more liberal gun laws and lower murder rates than the U.S. One is Finland, with a murder rate of 2.9. Israel is another example; although its population is heavily armed, Israel's murder rate is only 1.4. In Switzerland, gun ownership is a way of life. Its murder rate is 2.7.
By contrast, consider Brazil. All firearms in Brazil must be registered with the government. This registration process can take anywhere from 30 days to three months. All civilian handguns are limited in caliber to no more than 9mm. All rifles must fire handgun ammunition only. Brazilians may only buy one gun per year. At any one time, they may only have in their possession a maximum of six guns: two handguns, two rifles and two shotguns. To transport their guns, citizens must obtain a special police permit. CCW permits are available but are rarely issued.
Therefore, it should not be a revelation to anyone that Brazil has a thriving black market in guns. Virtually any type of gun is available, for a price. Incidentally, Brazil's murder rate is 19 victims per 100,000 population per year.
In Cuba, Fidel Castro controls every aspect of life with an iron hand, including gun ownership. Castro remembers well how he and his rag-tag armed Communist rebels overthrew the government of Fulgencio Batista and set up a Communist dictatorship. An armed populace is threatening to a repressive government. Still, somebody in Cuba is obtaining guns and using them to murder fellow citizens. Cuba's murder rate is 7.8.
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Mexico's murder rate is an eye-popping 17.5. Mexican authorities are fond of blaming the high murder rate on firearms smuggled across the border from the United States. Nonsense. The U.S. has many more personal guns than Mexico, yet our murder rate is far lower than Mexico's. It is Mexico's absurd gun laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves against illegally armed criminals.
Guns are effectively outlawed in Russia. Private handgun ownership is totally prohibited. A permit is required to purchase a long gun. All guns are registered with authorities. When transporting a long gun, it must be disassembled. Long guns may only be used for self-defense when the gun owner is on his own property. By the way, Russia's murder rate is a staggering 30.6.
The Numbers Speak For Themselves (gun control and murder rates of assorted countries)
I'd like to thank Skyfloating for suggesting a topic I knew nothing about, and the ATS Debate Forum for hosting
quote from Adjensen's Crop Circles debate
it was mowed, not flattened, and by the devil, not by a UFO. In other words, not the same thing.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
So you want to post a link supposedly throwing mud at Malachi Martin yet say that the source is unreliable nut. So why would you bother posting a link to me you thought was from an unreliable source
Let’s have a look at an example of a non-critical thinker
you don't want them banning something that you have no need of, because you think it the beginning of a slippery slope. But the past has shown us that this is largely an unfounded concern. In 1985, the United States passed the Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act, which banned "cop killer" ammunition that could penetrate bulletproof armour. I don't remember a number of other bans which followed on from that
adjensen quote from gun control debate
The past has showed us that they next went for all handguns nationwide after the Waco Texas massacre shown to be deliberately brought upon by government agents (i.e another false flag attack...this time murdering a hell of a lot of former Adventists...see OP under Bill Clinton for more details)
Then they passed Federal Assault Weapons Ban 1994
And thus make ridiculous concluding statements like:
it was mowed, not flattened, and by the devil, not by a UFO. In other words, not the same thing.
Well, mostly as a demonstration of the fact that you and your arguments are mired in a community of crackpots.
Seriously, you want to argue that banning "cop killer" bullets in 1985 directly led to the ban on assault weapons nine years later
In that post, which you've intentionally taken out of context, I referred to a folktale, which claimed that a circle in the grass had been created as the result of the devil mowing it -- I didn't say that I thought that the devil had done anything.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by adjensen
Well, mostly as a demonstration of the fact that you and your arguments are mired in a community of crackpots.
You're the the one that quotes from there and then you try and turn it around and that it is my argument.
I have just shown you numerous quotes from credible sources showing that your country is in serious trouble due to your politicians and media coordinating attacks on the 2nd amendment and you have nothing to say about it.
You said a UFO and the devil is not the same thing. I provided proof and sources that say they are the same thing...simple.
The devil is an alien, and you think you have proof? Okay, you've gone round the bend on that one.