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Clinton, Bush, Obama, Hitler....Good enough Papists to deserve a commemorative coin or Vatican hung

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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:12 AM
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Hitler....Good enough Papists to deserve a commemorative coin or Vatican hung painting?

Let's first set the scene for which a commemorative coin and Vatican hung painting was earned in the past to set our standard.

August 24, 1572, was the date of the infamous St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France. On that day, over 400 years ago, began one of the most horrifying holocausts in history. The glorious Reformation, begun in Germany on October 31, 1517, had spread to France—and was joyfully received. A great change had come over the people as industry and learning began to flourish, and so rapidly did the Truth spread that over a third of the population embraced the Reformed Christian Faith.

However, alarm bells began to ring at the Vatican! France was her eldest daughter and main pillar—the chief source of money and power. . . . King Pepin of the Franks (the father of Charlemagne) had given the Papal States to the Pope almost 1000 years earlier. Almost half the real estate in the country was owned by the clergy.

Meanwhile, back in Paris, the King of France and his Court spent their time drinking, reveling and carousing. The Court spiritual adviser—a Jesuit priest— urged them to massacre the Protestants—as penance for their many sins! To catch the Christians off-guard every token of peace, friendship, and ecumenical good will was offered.

During the summer of 1572, tens of thousands of Huguenots were lured to the city of Paris to witness the wedding on August 18th, of Henry of Navarre, leader of the Huguenots to Margaret, the sister of the French King. This royal marriage alliance was supposed to end the wars of religion that had plagued France. Between two and three in the morning of 24th August the Popish Feast Day of St. Bartholomew, the Papists rose up in a predetermined plan to slay the defenseless Protestants. Wearing white arm-bands, and with white crosses in their hats for identity they began their work of slaughter as the bell began to toll on the Roman Catholic Church of St. Auxerrois. The most prominent victim was the Huguenot leader Admiral Coligny whose body was mutilated by the assassins. For three days, the Protestants were hunted down and slain in the streets of Paris until the River Seine ran red with blood, corpses blocked doorways and mutilated bodies lay in every street and lane. By the fourth day the fury of the assassins was satiated, almost every Protestant had been murdered, a dead silence fell over Paris. Then the massacres began in other major towns, Lyons, Rouen, Dieppe, etc. It is estimated that one hundred thousand Huguenots perished and when the news of this butchery reached Rome, there were scenes of wild jubilation, a Te Deum was sung and the Pope Gregory XIII issued a medal to commemorate the Massacre

In the meantime, all the friends of Coligny were assassinated throughout Paris; men, women, and children were promiscuously slaughtered and every street was strewed with expiring bodies. Some priests, holding up a crucifix in one hand, and a dagger in the other, ran to the chiefs of the murderers, and strongly exhorted them to spare neither relations nor friends
Foxe's Book of Martyrs

When news of the Massacre reached the Vatican there was jubilation! Cannons roared—bells rung—and a special commemorative medal was struck—to honor the occasion! The Pope commissioned Italian artist Vasari to paint a mural of the Massacre—which still hangs in the Vatican!

At Rome the horrid joy was so great, that they appointed a day of high festival, and a jubilee, with great indulgence to all who kept it and showed every expression of gladness they could devise! and the man who first carried the news received 1000 crowns of the cardinal of Lorraine for his ungodly message. The king also commanded the day to be kept with every demonstration of joy, concluding now that the whole race of Huguenots was extinct.
Foe's Book of Martyrs

The massacres on St. Bartholomew's day are painted in the royal saloon of the Vatican at Rome, with the following inscription: Pontifex, Coligny necem probat, i.e., 'The pope approves of Coligny's death.'
Foxe's Book of Martyrs

A medal of Pope Gregory XIII to celebrate the St. Bartholomew Massacre of French Protestants in August 1572. The medal depicts an angel offering the Huguenots the choice of death by the sword or worship the Roman crucifix.

Painting done by one of those who escaped

At Augustobona, on the people hearing of the massacre at Paris, they shut their gates that no Protestants might escape, and searching diligently for every individual of the reformed Church, imprisoned and then barbarously murdered them. The same curelty they practiced at Avaricum, at Troys, at Toulouse, Rouen and many other places, running from city to city, towns, and villages, through the kingdom.
"Many of the wretched victims fled to the water side, and some swam over the Seine to the suburbs of St. Germaine. The king saw them from his window, which looked upon the river, and fired upon them with a carbine that had been loaded for that purpose by one of his pages; while the queen-mother, undisturbed and serene in the midst of slaughter, looking down from a balcony, encouraged the murderers and laughed at the dying groans of the slaughtered. This barbarous queen was fired with a restless ambition, and she perpetually shifted her party in order to satiate it.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs

At Bordeaux, at the instigation of a villainous monk, who used to urge the papists to slaughter in his sermons, two hundred and sixty-four were cruelly murdered; some of them senators. Another of the same pious fraternity produced a similar slaughter at Agendicum, in Maine, where the populace at the holy inquisitors' satanical suggestion, ran upon the Protestants, slew them, plundered their houses, and pulled down their church.

The duke of Guise, entering into Blois, suffered his soldiers to fly upon the spoil, and slay or drown all the Protestants they could find. In this they spared neither age nor sex; defiling the women, and then murdering them; from whence he went to Mere, and committed the same outrages for many days together. Here they found a minister named Cassebonius, and threw him into the river.

At Anjou, they slew Albiacus, a minister; and many women were defiled and murdered there; among whom were two sisters, abused before their father, whom the assassins bound to a wall to see them, and then slew them and him.

The president of Turin, after giving a large sum for his life, was cruelly beaten with clubs, stripped of his clothes, and hung feet upwards, with his head and breast in the river: before he was dead, they opened his belly, plucked out his entrails, and threw them into the river; and then carried his heart about the city upon a spear.
At Barre great cruelty was used, even to young children, whom they cut open, pulled out their entrails, which through very rage they gnawed with their teeth.
At Penna, after promising them safety, three hundred were inhumanly butchered
At Samarobridge, they murdered above one hundred Protestants, after promising them peace;
The tragical sufferings of the Protestants are too numerous to detail; but the treatment of Philip de Deux will give an idea of the rest. After the miscreants had slain this martyr in his bed, they went to his wife, who was then attended by the midwife, expecting every moment to be delivered. The midwife entreated them to stay the murder, at least till the child, which was the twentieth, should be born. Notwithstanding this, they thrust a dagger up to the hilt into the poor woman. Anxious to be delivered, she ran into a corn loft; but hither they pursued her, stabbed her in the belly, and then threw her into the street. By the fall, the child came from the dying mother, and being caught up by one of the Catholic ruffians, he stabbed the infant, and then threw it into the river.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs

So we have this precedent set in the past for honouring Catholic approved behaviour. And we have this same basis to accolade the faithful in recent times through the example of the Croatian Ustase

To comprehend the full extent of that collaboration, one must read the Croatian Catholic press, the "Katolicki Tjednik", the "Katolick List", the "Hrvatski Narod," and so many other publications which vied with each other in flattering the bloody "Poglavnik" [Ante Pavelić], Pius XII was so pleased that he was a "practicing Catholic", and the high esteem of the Sovereign Pontiff embraced even the accomplices of the great man.

The "Osservatore Romano" informs us that, on the 22nd of July 1941, the pope received one hundred members of the Croatian Security Police, led by the chief of Zagreb's police, Eugen Kvaternik-Dido. This group of Croatian S.S., the pick of the executioners and tortuers operating in the concentration camps, were presented to the Holy-Father by one who perpetrated crimes so monstrous that his own mother committed suicide in despair.

The goodwill of His Holiness Pius XII is easily explained by the apostolic zeal of these killers. Another "practicing Catholic," Mile Budak, minister for Worship, exclaimed in August 1941, at Karlovac: "The Oustachi movement is based on religion. All our world rests on our loyalty to religion and the Catholic Church."
[Cf. Herve Lauriere: "Assassins in the Name of God," (Ed. Dufour, Paris 1951, p.97)]

Besides, on the 22nd of July, at Gospic, the same minster for Worship had perfectly defined this work: "We will kill some Serbians, deport others, and the rest will be complelled to embrace the Roman Catholic religion."
[- "L'Ordre de Paris," 8th of February 1947]

- As quoted from Professor Edmond Paris's book The Secret History of the Jesuits p.146

To read and see more on the Ustasha's WW2 exploits
Ustasha stories from up to mid 1990's pt.1
pt.2 (Graphic warning)

In those above links (events still going on in the mid 1990's) you'll read stories like this:

Prebilovci was surrounded on the night of August 4, 1941, by some 3,000 “Ustashi” made up of the village’s Muslim and Croat neighbours. Expecting the attack, the townsfolk had fled to the hills on the night of August 3, but at dawn the women and children returned to their homes only to be either captured and herded into the elementary school or killed in their homes. Atrocities began in the villages including the killing of 50 infants who were swung by their legs so that their heads could be dashed against the school wall. There was continuous rape of the young girls there, and at other locations. On August 6, 150 “Ustasha” under Ivan Jovanovic (“Blacky”) were joined by another 400 “Ustasha” from Capljina, and took the prisoners in rail cattle-cars to Vranac, some 500 to 1,000m from the Golubinks pit, one of many such natural, near-vertical cave formations in the region.

There the 550 “Ustasha” took small groups of prisoners to the pit and, family-by-family pushed them into it. The initial vertical fall was some 27m, followed by a 100m steep slope to the base of the pit. Small children were thrown up into the air before falling into the pit. One woman is known to have given birth as she fell into the pit. The newborn infant died with her under the crush of bodies.

One entire family of 78 persons died in the crush of the Golubinka Pit in Surmanci. And after all were pushed into it, the “Ustasha” sat around drinking and celebrating. Only 170 villagers survived. Remarkably, 45 survived the crush of the pits and escaped later to tell of the disaster

As we can see, the Vatican loves to invites over their most faithful for a special private celebration to honour promoting the Catholic cause in such fashion so the question remains, if the Church never changes and is 'infallible' then perhaps the likes of Hitler, Clinton, Bush and Obama deserve to be historically honoured by the Vatican as well for their great acts of promoting Popery. Let's explore briefly next each case.
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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:14 AM
Hitler first.

Many of you may know that Hitler was baptised Roman Catholic and in the early stages of his life thought about becoming a priest. Mainstream Catholicism would like us to believe that Hitler left the faith so that none of his actions would be associated with them. Did he really disown his first love! Personally, I don't think he did.

Michael Schmaus, professor at the Faculty of Theology in Munich wrote:

“Empire and church is a series of writings which should help the building up of the third Reich as it unites a national-socialist State to Catholic-Christianity… “Entirely German and entirely Catholic, these writings explore and favor relations and meetings between the Catholic Church and national-socialism; they open the way for a fruitful cooperation, as outlined in the Concordat… “The national-socialist movement is the most vigorous and massive protest against the spirit of the 19th and 20th centuries… The idea of a people of one blood is the focal point of its teachings and all Catholics who obey the instructions of the German bishops will have to admit that this is so… The laws of national-socialism and those of the Catholic Church have the same aim…”
- Begegnungen zwischen Katholischem Christentum und nazional-sozialistischer Weltanschauung Aschendorff, Munster 1933.

Mr. Alfred Grosser, professor at the Institute of political studies of Paris University, says:

“The very concise book of Guenter Lewy: “The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany” (New York McGrawhill-1964) says that all the documents agree to show the Catholic Church cooperating with the Hitler regime… In July 1933, when the Concordat forced the bishops to swear an oath of allegiance to the Nazi government, the concentration camps were already open… the reading of quotations compiled by Guenter Lewy proves this overwhelmingly. We find in them some crushing evidence from personalities such as Cardinal Faulhaber and the Jesuit Gustav Gundlach.”
- Saul Friedlander: “Pie XII et le IIIe Reich”, (Ed. du Seuil, Paris 1964).

Early indications suggestion that the principles of the Nazi's were the same as those of the Vatican and that close ties were made between the two

Mr. Joseph Rovan, Catholic writer, comments on the diplomatic agreement between the Vatican and the Nazi Reich on the 8th of July 1933:

The Concordat brought to the national-socialist government, considered nearly everywhere to be made up of usurpers, if not brigands, the seal of an agreement with the oldest international power (the Vatican). In a way, it was the equivalent of a diploma of international honorability.
- Le catholicisme politique en Allemagne, Paris 1956, p.231, Ed. du Seuil.

Did Hitler really say...!

I learned much from the order of the Jesuits...Until now there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical system of the catholic church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party.
- Hermann Rauschning, former national-socialist chief of the Government of Dantzig: "Hitler m'a dit," Paris, 1939, pp.266. 267

One of Hitler's close mates Franz von Papen, Vice-Chancellor of the Reich, said:

The Third Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts into practice the high principles of the papacy
- Franz von Papen, as quoted in Robert d’Harcourt, Franz von Papen l’homme à tout faire," (L’Aube, October 3, 1946).

According to this source the commendable actions of the Ustasha were from Hitler's own initiative:

In 1941, Adolf Hitler put the Ustasha into power, in compliance with the Vatican-Third Reich Concordat, of July 20, 1933. Under that Concordat Dr. Ante Pavelic, the dictator of Croatia—with the direct aid of the Archbishop of Zagreb Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac—instructed the Ustasha to implement a program of forced “conversion” of the Croatia population to Catholicism: 840,000 people were murdered when they refused to become Roman Catholics.
- P. D. Stuart, Codeword Barbêlôn: Danger in the Vatican (London: Lux Verbi, 2008):197.

According this nun who witnessed a personal encounter with the aspiring Pope to be and Hitler, the Vatican helped finance Hitler's rise:

Following the $26 million cash settlement with Mussolini over disputed lands in 1929, The Vatican invested nearly all the proceeds in German industry, but at least one small investment was made in the Nazis as well. The following incident was reported by an eyewitness, Sister Pascalina, a nun who was the personal aid (and devout admirer) of the Papal Nuncio in Munich and the man who would become Pope Pius XII on the eve of World War II:

'Hitler came one night to the holy residence of Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli. All others in the household were asleep by then, expect Pascalina...Hitler told Pacelli that he was out to check the spread of aetheistic communism...It didn't come as a surprise to her, therefore, in light of Pacelli's hatred of the Reds, to see the prelate present Hitler with a large cache of Church money to aid the rising revolutionary and his small struggling band of anti-communists.'
source: Paul I. Murphy, 'La Popessa', Warner Books, New York, 1983, p.52

Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 294-295

Now according to this book 'Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks' the authors who had access to NATO and CIA achieves, were sitting on this information about the connections between Hitler's stolen treasures and the Swiss and Vatican Bank's for a long time before the book was first released in 1991 because it was against US policy to implicate the Vatican in anything. This restriction on them was wavered when a sting operation was undertaken where a youth, posing as an interested Fascist audio recorded some remaining Croatian priests brag to him how they transferred the stolen wealth from the Orthodox Serbs to the Vatican. The revised edition of the book came out in 1998 in conjunction with Bill Clinton's Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act which opened up further records to be reviewed. These are some of the concluding thoughts in the revised edition.

Where in 1991 we found 'no direct evidence that the Vatican profited from the property stolen from the Nazis' victims, in 1997 we find that on the balance of probabilities, and taking into account the additional evidence that has since emerged, there was no other reason than profit for this enterprise.
...the bulk of the stolen Nazi money was laundered from Switzerland through the one bank that can never be audited. The trail of Nazi money leads to the one financial institution with total diplomatic immunity: The Vatican Bank
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 288-289

The Nazi looting of the wealth of nations was one of the most documented crimes in history. National treasuries were seized, art-works stolen; tens of billions of dollars' worth of gems and currency vanished forever. But Half a century later, we are only beginning to ask the crucial question: Where did all that money go?
The current generation of Zurich bankers is not alone in knowing the key role played by the Vatican in laundering the Nazis' money. Many others in the world of international finance in the late 1990's also understand how these events in the early decades of this century connect directly to the Holy See and the Nazis' stolen treasure.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 289-290

Have from sources of this kind of information (Edmond Paris, Loftus and Aarons ect) against the Vatican being sued for misrepresentation or defamation we see caught cases being filed and held against the Vatican instead. Alperin vs Vatican Bank, Website dedicated to the class action lawsuit against the Vatican

So we can see one thing in Hitler's favour deserving of Vatican commendation, he has made them exceedingly wealthy on their 'investment' in him through his plundered treasure of nations. Considering that there is a strong link with being murdered for any Catholic leader who thinks it's a good idea to suggest that the Vatican Bank be audited, I think something smells very fishy here!

How else though, may Hitler have become the unacknowledged favourite son of the Vatican....?
To answer this question we need to take a short step back in history.

By the 1550s the Reformation had become so extensive in Europe that the papacy began to realize that they must do something to try to stop it. They realized that if it were not stopped, it would eventually undermine the position of the Catholic Church and destroy the absolute political power they had achieved. In order to accomplish the destruction of the Reformation, a new secret organization was formed within the Vatican called the Jesuits.
The Enemy Unmasked, Chapter 1

Now I recommend you read that chapter to understand their History and the kinds of things they got up to but I am going to move quickly and skip some points you can catch up on yourself.

We read on..further in Chapter 1,

... It was at this juncture in 1759 that something strangely divine began to happen. It began in Portugal. The Portuguese king, Joseph I, banished the Jesuits from his realm.

In Portugal the culmination point was reached by an attempt to assassinate the king....the deed had been incited by the Jesuits, who had impressed ignorant and fanatical minds with the idea that no wrong was committed by killing a heretical king; that is one who did not submit to their dictation....Hence, as a measure
absolutely essential to the life of the nation, the king issued a decree of banishment against the Jesuits as traitors, rebels, enemies to, and aggressors on, his person, his States, and the public peace and the general good of the people. The Jesuits were then seized, transported to the States of the Church (Italy).... – Richard Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt & Eaton, p.217, 218,

Continuing on after this, we see a steady flurry of these champions of Popery getting kicked out of one country after another

King Joseph’s Portugal was the first Catholic kingdom of Europe to banish the Jesuits from their realm. With this first banishment, the dominoes began to fall rather quickly. Catholic France banished them in 1762. The decree of Louis XV and the French Parliament reads as follows:

Whereupon, the investigation into the constitution and statutes of the society [of Jesuits] ...resulted in the enactment of a Parliamentary decree which shows the odium then attached to the society in France. It denounced their doctrines and practices ‘as perverse, destructive of every principle of religion, and even of probity; as injurious to morality, pernicious to civil society, seditious, dangerous to rights of the persons of the sovereigns; as fit to excite the greatest troubles in States, to form and maintain the most profound corruption in the hearts of men...that the institutions of the Jesuits should forever cease to exist throughout
the whole extent of the kingdom.’—ibid. p. 219

The third sovereign to drive the Jesuits from their realm was King Charles III of Spain. He banished the Jesuits in His [Charles III] greatest work, the expulsion of the Jesuits, would never have been carried out if he had not been persuaded of its political necessity. The [Jesuit] order had already been driven out by Pombal from Portugal and by Choiseul from France when Charles III was convinced that a riot in Madrid...had been promoted by the Jesuits. – Encyclopedia Britannica, The Werner company, vol. XVII, p. 341.

The Jesuits get to the point where they are being kicked out of all of Europe and there is little place left for them to reside.

Now from Chapter 2,

As we saw in chapter 1, the Catholic monarchs and the pope, himself, were trying to ban the Jesuit Order throughout the entire world in 1773. In order to survive, the Jesuits were forced to either go underground or travel to three countries where they were still permitted to operate: England, Prussia (Germany), and Russia.

It is an unshakable fact that the founder of the modern Bavarian Illuminati was a trained Jesuit named Adam Weishaupt from Ingolstadt University, which was the center of the Jesuit counter-reformation. (See Encyclopedia Britannica, Volume 12, page 251.)
The Enemy Unmasked, Chapter 2: The Illuminati-Jewish Front

Thus, fearing extinction and with much work to champion Popery still to do then did a marketing rebrand!

The Apostle of Lucifer, Adam Weishaupt was born a Jew, converted to Catholicism, then turned to Witchcraft, there he became an expert, and founded another sect of the Illuminati. This sect of Illuminati was founded May 1st, 1776.
– William Josiah Sutton, The New Age Movement and The Illuminati 66, The Institute of Religious Knowledge, p. 173.

On May 1, 1776, the Order of the Illuminati was officially founded in the old Jesuit stronghold of Bavaria from which the Sons of Loyola had ignited the Thirty Years’ War. – Eric Phelps, Vatican Assassins, Halycon Unified Services, page 214.

[quick side note - this is why those who have been able to escape from the Satanism and witchcraft of the illuminati, by God's intercession, become Protestant Christians (because they know the spiritual conflict is real and who saved them) and send time denouncing the Catholic church because of the fanatic dealings they had with it while in the I am thinking of people like Svali (who undertook an illuminati sealing ritual in the vatican where a drugged baby was offered as a ritual sacrifice), Doc Marquis (who has videos on Catholic Queen of Heaven [snipet], Mauri (who writes in the book her account as an escaped illuminati sex slave of all her dreadful 'dealings' she had with Jesuits and the Nazis brought over to America, many encounters at the American Martyrs Church, Manhattan Beach, California)]

Knowing this, we now need to travel further in time where we will take up the plans of the illuminati as presented in the book by distinguished Canadian Naval Commander William Guy Carr in his milestone book Pawns in the Game

Pike’s plan [devised in the mid to late 1800's] was as simple as it has proved effective. He required that Communism, Naziism, Political Zionism, and other International movements be organized and used to foment the three global wars and three major revolutions. The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to overthrow the powers of the Tzars in Russia and turn that country into the stronghold of Atheistic-Communism. The differences stirred up by agentur of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

World War Two, was to be fomented by using the differences between Fascists and Political Zionists. This war was to be fought so that Naziism would be destroyed and the power of Political Zionism increased so that the sovereign state of Israel could be established in Palestine. During world war two International Communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. At this point it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm. Can any informed person deny Roosevelt and Churchill did not put this policy into effect ? - page 7 of 13 of the introductory chapter

According to this information, Hitler was merely fulfilling a pre-determined role, like a good like boy-scout, already planned out by the champions of Papal world control, the Jesuit/Illuminati factions.

Now some of Hitler's detractors might say that he can't be the Vatican's favourite son because he killed some Catholics too in WW2 (mostly to be used as cover so that the war would not be pinned on the Vatican). But we must remember that to a true fervent Papist it is okay to kill other papists who are not so convinced of their own faith as we shall next see.

Sixty women were racked so violently, that the cords pierced their arms and legs close to the bone; when, being remanded to prison, their wounds mortified, and they died in the most miserable manner. Many others were put to death by various cruel means; and if any Roman Catholic, more compassionate than the rest, interceded for any of the reformed, he was immediately apprehended, and shared the same fate as a favorer of heretics.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs, Chapter 6 An Account of the Persecutions in Italy, Under the Papacy

"Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the Jewish question: "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic church has adopted for fifteen hundred years, when it has regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos... The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway, Pgs. 25, 26

How many autographs does he need to sign for the nuns to get himself a Vatican commemorative coin, for goodness sake!

We do know one Nazi who is ineligible for the honours, that damned Josphe Goebbels, the only one excommunicated, he married a Protestant (aka heretic)...what a traitor!

Didn't he know that... Pope Leo XII (A.D. 1823 - 1829) says:

We profess that there is no salvation outside the Church. ...[22]For the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. With reference to those words Augustine says: ` Whoever is without the Church will not be reckoned among the sons, and whoever does not want to have the Church as mother will not have God as father.'"(Encyclical, Ubi Primum)

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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:15 AM

Let's see what kinda case we can rustle up for Billy's coin.

He studies at Georgetown University, the epicentre of Jesuit led education in America. He is heavily influenced by Georgetown professor Carroll Quigley

Clinton named Quigley as an important influence on his aspirations and political philosophy in 1991, when launching his presidential campaign in a speech at Georgetown. He also mentioned Quigley again during his acceptance speech to the 1992 Democratic National Convention

Quigley's most important work, a piece that wasn't meant to see the light of the wider public is called Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time. From amazon we read this description of the contents.

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time by Carroll Quigley is the ultimate insider admission of a secret global elite that has impacted nearly every modern historical event. Learn how the Anglo-American banking elite were able to secretly establish and maintain their global power. This massive hardcover book of 1348 pages provides a detailed world history beginning with the industrial revolution and imperialism through two world wars, a global depression and the rise of communism. Tragedy & Hope is the definitive work on the world's power structure and an essential source material for understanding the history, goals and actions of the New World Order.

...Quigley in his book Rule By Secrecy, which describes a conspiracy linking the Milner Group, Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Knights Templar, and aliens who posed as the Sumerian gods thousands of years ago.

Let me guess the link, insider Jesuitism hand in glove with Satanism.

According to Quigley, some of the leaders in this group included people like Cecil Rhodes.

Upon graduation, he won a Rhodes Scholarship to University College, Oxford where he studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics,
College and Law school years. wiki

Basically Clinton undertakes the full menagerie of Jesuit and globalist directed studies as his educaiton.

Now let's explore some of his fruits as President...(Oklahoma City, Waco Texas, and the glass-steagall act)

Oklahoma City
As we all know,

A prisoner in the Inquisition is never allowed to see the face of his accuser, or of the witnesses against him, but every method is taken by threats and tortures, to oblige him to accuse himself, and by that means corroborate their evidence. If the jurisdiction of the Inquisition is not fully allowed, vengeance is denounced against such as call it in question for if any of its officers are opposed, those who oppose them are almost certain to be sufferers for the temerity; the maxim of the Inquisition being to strike terror, and awe those who are the objects of its power into obedience. High birth, distinguished rank, great dignity, or eminent employments, are no protection from its severities; and the lowest officers of the Inquisition can make the highest characters tremble.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs - Cp. 5

There were liberty-restricting measures in Congress just prior to the Oklahoma City bombing that were stalled. Right after the bombing they were immediately passed.
The Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995 was on a slow track in Congress and the subject of a lively debate as to whether it would violate some fundamental civil liberties, including the right to confront one’s accuser.
Now, after the Oklahoma City bombing, there are few surer legislative bets in Washington. Democrats and Republicans issued news releases Thursday calling for the bill’s quick passage. — Terror in the Heartland: Terrorism Bill Moves Very Fast, Orlando Sentinel, April 21st, 1995.

President Clinton prodded Congress on Friday to move swiftly on his anti-terrorism legislation and avoid political ‘endless quibbling’ over details. ‘We must not doddle or delay. Congress must act, and act promptly.’ His 1.25 billion anti-terrorism package would expand law enforcement’s investigative and enforcement powers and toughen penalties for certain crimes. Republicans have reacted favorably to the proposals Clinton put forward on Wednesday, one week after the Oklahoma City bombing. — Clinton Urges Swift Action on Anti-terrorism Legislation, Orlando Sentinel, April 29th, 1995.

The purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing was to get Congress to pass the anti-terrorism bill without debate. If a debate had taken place, the issues of constitutional liberties and the creation of a police state would have been raised. The Jesuits in Congress prefer that the police state be implemented without the public noticing by creating a climate of national hysteria using a staged terrorist attack. The bill sailed through with no debate or discussion.
quoted from 'The Secret Terrorist', Chapter 10

So Bill is definitely doing his part for the Vatican so longed for Inqusition of the American 'heretic' Protestants.

Waco Texas
David Koresh, forms his on offshoot group of Christianity. Some of the beliefs involve the teaching the Pope is the anti-christ and keeping the Seventh-day Holy (directly against honouring the authority of the Pope).

Now what happened in the past when you called the Pope such names...?

In the year 1524, at a town in France, called Melden, one John Clark set up a bill on the church door, wherein he called the pope Antichrist. For this offence he was repeatedly whipped, and then branded on the forehead. Going afterward to Mentz, in Lorraine, he demolished some images, for which he had his right hand and nose cut off, and his arms and breast torn with pincers. He sustained these cruelties with amazing fortitude, and was even sufficiently cool to sing the One hundredth and fifteenth Psalm, which expressly forbids idolatry; after which he was thrown into the fire, and burnt to ashes
Foxe's Book of Martyrs Chapter IV Persecutions of the Albigenses

Burnt to ashes, Vatican poetic justice. Why arrest Koresh when he went into town many times a week methodically when you can get all the heretics together!

The siege on the Davidian compound began on February 28, 1993. Instead of simply knocking on the front door, 100 BATF agents stormed the compound to arrest David Koresh. Koresh went jogging quite frequently, and the government could have arrested him during those times, but they weren’t interested in simply arresting Koresh. The government wanted a confrontation. Unthreatened BATF and FBI agents opened fire with automatic weapons at the front door and the walls, knowing that there were innocent women and children inside.
During this siege, four BATF agents were killed. The four BATF agents, that died on February 28, had all been bodyguards for Bill Clinton from the time of the Democratic convention until Bill Clinton became president. These four BATF agents were the only federal agents to die in the siege at Waco. Linda Thompson’s videotape entitled Waco, the Big Lie, shows that those BATF agents were not killed or shot at by Branch Davidians. The tape shows the agents going into the compound through an upstairs window. It then shows the other BATF agent, who is out on the roof, actually shooting in through the window where those BATF agents had just entered. Those four BATF agents, who were bodyguards of Bill Clinton, were killed by their own people!
Another most despicable crime of the Waco murderers was the spraying of CS gas into the compound at the women and small children. U.S. Congressman Ron Paul stated that
“CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on chemical warfare. The U.S. could not use it in war. It is illegal, but they would use it against their own citizens.” — The Washington Times, April 23,1993.
CS gas is one of the most cruel poisons that the government could have used against the small children. Pictures from the massacre showed small children, burned black, with their backs arched backward in what had to have been a most horrible death
Two weeks after the massacre at Mount Carmel compound, John Chafee, a senator from Rhode Island, called for a new law that would be a nationwide ban on hand gun ownership. It would prohibit the sale, possession, importing, and exporting of hand guns. Had Chafee’s proposal become law, it would have torn a huge gap in the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
The Secret Terrorist - Chapter 9 Waco

I think we can chalk up those hard earned scalps to our boy Bill! The Vatican must be looking upon him as proud parent to the child they have helped grow. And he almost took Obama's thunder by exploiting his false flag to seek nationwide hand gun ban. Remember from the tale of St Bartholomew's Massacre, protestants were lulled into a state so that they would be defenceless when they were all killed at once.

Glass-Steagall Act (aka Banking Act 1933)

President Bill Clinton publicly declared "the Glass–Steagall law is no longer appropriate." Many commentators have stated that the GLBA’s repeal of the affiliation restrictions of the Glass–Steagall Act was an important cause of the late-2000s financial crisis. Some critics of that repeal argue it permitted Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in affiliated commercial banks. Others have argued that the activities linked to the financial crisis were not prohibited (or, in most cases, even regulated) by the Glass–Steagall Act

The replacement legislation

The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106–102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) is an act of the 106th United States Congress (1999–2001). It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company. With the passage of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were allowed to consolidate. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

We must remember the following from William Guy Carr's 'Pawns in the Game' (written in the late 1950's), in understanding current world events.

World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East isn’t designed to accomplish this devilish purpose? link

The replacement of the Glass-Steagall Act in the late 1990's provide the legislative backdrop for the economic exhaustion of America (at hasn't in its highest totality been reached as yet). The Vatican (proxying for the Devil) wants people to be willing to turn over their souls for the price of a loaf of bread at the end.

That quote from Carr about WWIII provides a great segue to transfer the discussion in talking about President Bush and his 'War on Terror'
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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:18 AM

Now I don't really know how much detail I need to go into here. Is it not well known that the Bush family are multi-generational Satanists which makes the picture above like two peas in a pod.

Alright, enough jokes. Bush Jr (son of Bush Snr who was one of the chief architects along with Archbishop of New York City, (1939-1967) Francis Joseph Cardinal Spellman in planning and implementing the assassination of wayward liberty leaning RC President Kennedy...opps, did I just say that out loud)...

Let's restart that, Bush Jr., Skull and Bones member. A club strongly associated with Satanism and American Illuminism.

Skull & Bones created by the Jesuits through their infiltrated Freemasonry

Now I think most people here will understand that the Sept. 11 attack were some kind of inside job (US government complicity) and those who have scratched the surface know of Mossad's (Israel intelligence) involvement in it. Now from the quote below I disagree with some aspects to why it was done (and I have dotted this out). I think the quote however is valuable in understanding how it was set up so that this planned third world war was really to be between Judeo-Christian culture vs. Islam.

... using his [the Jesuit General's] CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Zionist Mossad in conjunction with his CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Islamic Intelligence Agencies, including Osama bin Laden’s MAK and Pakistan’s ISI... (Remember, Israel was admitted into the New York-based United Nations in 1949 through the efforts of Jesuit-trained Francis Cardinal Spellman – the darling of Pope Pius XII who, after his Jesuits carried out the Jewish Holocaust in Europe and then driving the survivors to Palestine, intended, under the guidance of his Jesuit confessor, Augustin Cardinal Bea, to make Jerusalem an international city – while governed by the Papal Caesar’s Chaim Weizmann and his Masonic Jewish Zionists.) The Black Pope must cause a war using a country he also wishes to further destroy.

Here was the “Father General’s” plan. In synchronizing his worldwide overt and covert factions to work the Order’s evil ends of the Vatican’s Counter-Reformation in restoring the Papal Caesar as the absolute Universal Monarch of the World, the Black Pope used his Masonically-controlled, fanatically anti-Jewish Race, Islamic Intelligence operatives under the domestic control of the CIA (Osama bin Laden having been directed, financed and trained by the CIA for at least ten years — just like Jesuit-trained and CIA-financed Fidel Castro before he, like bin Laden, became a false enemy of the CFR-controlled American government) to be openly and notoriously instructed as Islamic pilots at the Venice Airport (a Florida facility used by the CIA since 1948) in order for Archbishop Egan’s controlled American Press to spread the prepared news release that the doomed airliners were hijacked by “Arab terrorists” in the employ of Osama bin Laden when in fact, to the horror of the American pilots, the airliners had been taken over and guided to their targets, remotely controlled by American Military Intelligence operatives overseen by the Black Pope’s CIA/NSA.

The Mussulmans in training never boarded the airliners involved in the September attacks evidenced by the absence of Islamic names on all four passenger lists. There was no fight between the passengers and the "hijackers" on flight 93, as reported by the deceived wife of the late Jeremy Glick. For flight 93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter, blowing off its wing which landed at least six miles away from the main wreckage! And if the inexperienced "hijackers" had boarded all four airliners, the novices never would have been able to navigate the planes into the targets unless they had been crack fighter pilots according to a group of highly professional, both civilian and military, American aviators. Archbishop Egan's CFR-controlled American Press then placed the blame for these acts of high treason and murder squarely on the shoulders of the Black Pope's Saudi prince and CIA operative, Osama bin Laden, including his al-Qaeda Network secretly working for the Jesuit General's International Terrorist Network. Tens of thousands of "heretic and liberal" Americans perished, thereby justifying a war between the Moslem World and "the Great Satan" [the usurped Protestant Christian nation of America].

Now the reason why this war footing as been set up like this is so that the Vatican can try and orchestrate this third world war conflict so that it falsely fulfils the Revelation prophecy about the battle of Gog and Magog (I can explain it more if people need more clarification), I say falsely fulfils because the common understanding amongst people of who is involved and when it occurs is false so the Vatican is playing on that misunderstanding. Basically, after this Gog and Magog battle is over Jesus actually then sets up this kingdom on Earth (what people commonly forget though is that this destruction/final judgment event is for all the people not found in the book of life and before this takes place God's people spend the previous 1000 years literal in heaven before coming back down to Earth for this event). The Vatican are trying to co-opt this prophecy and misunderstanding by people so that the kingdom Jesus sets up on Earth will be really Satan's when he impersonates the second coming of Christ.

Here is a well researched (but perhaps poorly presented) ATS thread.. 9-11: the Jesuit Connection which I would recommend people look through.

I am sure the American's here can understand how the Patriot Act, warrant-less wire tapping ect. all plays into the hands of getting people accustom to serfdom and a culture of snitches to bring about the new Inquisition.

The most zealous of all the popish monks, and those who most implicitly obeyed the church of Rome, were the Dominicans and Franciscans: these, therefore, the pope thought proper to invest with an exclusive right of presiding over the different court of inquisition, and gave them the most unlimited powers, as judges delegated by him, and immediately representing his person: they were permitted to excommunicate, or sentence to death whom they thought proper, upon the most slight information of heresy.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs - Cpt 5

To read more on 9-11 go here, The Secret Terrorist, Chapter 11 World Trade Centre
Bush did a great deal to fuel the housing bubble which will/and has lead to the economic exhaustion/collapse of America according to the Illumanti/Jesuit/(selective High) Freemasonry collaborative plans.
- The creation of the FEMA clergy response teams who are instructed to teach their flock to submit to the government in times of crisis

A good video talking about the combining of church and state, the federalization of churches, as well as the pressure Pastors are under to teach the false pre-tribulation rapture is found below.

Pastor Steven Anderson on the Alex Jones show to discuss "After the Tribulation" [FULL]

Quick history of Pre-Tribulation theology development

The False Pre-Trib Rapture
As the story goes:
The false pre-tribulation rapture was invented by a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera (1537-1591). Ribera was commanded to create a new eschatological doctrine that would combat the historical Protestant view that the Catholic church was one of the beasts written of in the book of Revelation.

A second Jesuit priest, Manuel De Lacunza, wrote a book supporting Ribera’s Futurist doctrine under the pen name “Juan Josafa (Rabbi) Ben Ezra” in 1791. Lacunza took on a fake name in order to mislead Christian people into thinking the book was written by a Jew and not a Jesuit. If the Protestants knew a Jesuit was behind this new doctrine they would have never accepted it.

A third Jesuit priest, Luis De Alcazar, wrote a commentary titled “The Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse” which put forth a second false doctrine, its purpose was to contradict the historical Protestant view. This new doctrine was called “Preterism” and basically espoused that the Emperor Nero was the Antichrist and that the prophecies in book of Revelation were fulfilled by 70 A.D.

Both new doctrines, Futurism and Preterism, were created by the Jesuits in order to deceive Protestant Christians and to obfuscate the prophecies of Revelation. Both the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation clearly define the Catholic church to be loyal to Satan and not to God. We’re talking about the Elite hierarchy of the Catholic Church (The Pope and most of his cardinals) not the everyday catholic who goes to church every Sunday.

The Jesuits passed their doctrine onto Edward Irving (1792-1834), a Scottish Presbyterian and forerunner of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. Irving translated Lacunza’s work from Spanish into English in a book titled“The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty,” published in London in 1827 by L.B. Seeley and Sons.

Edward Irving was a Charismatic preacher from Scotland and had a small congregation. A young girl (15-years old) by the name of Margaret McDonald had a series of visions in the early 1830s. These visions supported a pre-tribulation rapture of the saints as established in the writings of Francisco Ribera.

So on and so forth as the story goes. Basically, all these false interpretations of prophecies, Pre-Tribulation rapture, Futurism and preterism are all made up by the Jesuits. Futurism and Preterism, so that the Vatican isn't identified (even though they are the only ones that fulfil ever prophecy description in Daniel and Revelation about the anti-christ power), and Pre-Trib so that Christian's are lulled in a false sense of confidence, that there is no need for them to fight tyranny because they will be taken away from it before it happens. Pre-Trib is false and you can bet your bottom dollar that the Bible collages that are teaching the majority of the protestant pastors this are fully Jesuit infiltrated (one of their favourite pass-times).

Has Bush done enough to earn himself a minted Vatican coin? I will let you decide. I am sure there is plenty I have left out about his presidency that fits the pattern that others could add to, and that I would be more than happy to hear.

In 2001 the Bush-appointed US ambassador to the Vatican declared that the, "values of [the Bush] Administration and those of the Vatican line up hand in glove." - Inside the Vatican (December 2002): 25.

Bush declared that he is going to enforce the words and teachings of the pope here in America.

The best way to honor Pope John Paul II, truly one of the great men, is to take his teachings seriously, to listen to his words and put his words and his teachings into action here in America! — Patricia Zapoa, Catholic News Service, March 24, 2001.

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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:19 AM

Time for the Shine Boy himself...Barry Davis (aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Obama)

The son of massive communist Frank Mashall Davis as exposed my filmmaker Joel Gilbert in this documentary movie Dreams of my real father.

Let us not forget that the Jesuit's first perfected communism in Paraguay

According to Eustace Mullins in 'The Curse of Canaan'

Not only did Karl Marx maintain close ties with the Jesuits and Freemasonry throughout his career; he was also directly related to the British aristocracy through his marriage to Jenny Von Westphalen, a descendant of the Countess of Balcarras and Argyll, two of the oldest titles in England.
The Communist International was the first step in this program of activism. At first it was simply known as the League of the Just, a branch of the Illuminati. This group commissioned Karl Marx to write the Communist Manifesto in 1847; it was published in 1848 and was immediately given worldwide circulation by the international offices of Freemasonry. Throughout his long political career, Marx was known to work actively with both the Jesuits and the Freemasons. In 1864, Marx organized the International Workingmen's Party in London; in 1872 he moved it to New York, where it was merged with the Socialist Party. Marx received a regular stipend from American newspapers as a columnist, employment which had been arranged for him by the Freemasons.

Many people have talked about the Communist Manifesto being linked with Jesuit sources, not just Mullins (search them out for yourself).

Barack Obama has also be outted as a creation of the CIA by investigative journalist Wayne Madsen. What Obama is hiding is not only that he was involved in intel agencies but so were a couple of generations of his parents as well.

The CIA a creation by the Roman Catholic Knight of Malta Bill Donovan, patterned after the Nazi SS which was patterned after the Jesuit Order. Donovan's protege, Allen Dulles (first CIA civilian director), His nephew, Avery Dulleswas a Cardinal of the Catholic Church and a Jesuit Priest. Allen's brother John Foster Dulles was also a founding member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Chairman of the Federal Council of Churches' commission. An infestation of Papists!

Obama's Arab Spring
- Unmasking the Muslim Brotherhood
- General Patraeous, the CIA & the Muslim Brotherhood: Creatures of Jesuit (not sure about the final conclusion in this one on Sadam and Kaddafi but the rest of the article should provide some good leads to trace up)

The Muslim brotherhood, a creation of western intelligence agencies which eventually lead back to Rome again.
US-NAT O (Obama) backed rebel behead Christians in Syria
Obama carrying out his own inquisition by proxy. How many dead in this 'war on terror', a lot of heretic scalps for the Church.

Obama's Chicago mentor:
Gregory Galluzzo, 'former' Jesuit Priest

Obama's Vice President:
Roman Catholic Joe Biden, has two honorary degrees conferred by the Jesuits. His son
Hunter Bidden, Jesuit Volunteer Corps, and now lobby's for the Jesuits to the Government

Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism, and Assistant to the President: John Brennan, Jesuit trained (Fordham University). Currently nominated to be the next Directorship of the CIA by Obama, He is also a proponent of the use of torture.

Obama's Chief Speechwriter: Jon Favreau, was Jesuit-trained (College of the Holy Cross)

Obama's Senior Military and Foreign Policy Advisor: Maj. Gen. J. Scott Gration, was Jesuit-trained ( master's degree in national security studies from Georgetown University in Washington in 1988)

6 Roman Catholic Supreme Court justices, no Protestants! Obviously a carryover policy that Bush has much credit for.

Can American's rely on the Supreme Court to keep the wishes of Obama (aka the Jesuits) in check, NO
Obama's NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act)that allows him to kill or torture anyone he wants, anywhere in the world, with no judicial oversight required and no need for the person accused to be given a defence.

Does Obama's new legislation sound like anything we may have come across before?

A defense in the Inquisition is of little use to the prisoner, for a suspicion only is deemed sufficient cause of condemnation, and the greater his wealth the greater his danger. The principal part of the inquisitors' cruelties is owing to their rapacity: they destroy the life to possess the property; and, under the pretence of zeal, plunder each obnoxious individual. Foxe's Book of Martyrs

Sounds like the Inquisition is ready, Obama has done his part and deserves a Vatican gold star too!

The Church...does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor, liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." (Catholic World, April 1870

But is it the intention of the pope to possess this country? Undoubtedly. In this intention is he aided by the Jesuits and all the Catholic prelates and priests? Undoubtedly, if they are faithful to their religion.
- Catholic Professor Orestes Brownson, Brownson’s Review (January, 1854): 90

The Encyclical of Pope Pius X, issued in 1864, asserted:
• the right to require the State not to leave any man free to profess his own religion;
• the right to employ force;
• the right to claim dominion in temporal things;
• the right to have the entire control of public schools;
• the right to hold princes and kings in subjection;
• the right to treat all marriages as invalid which are not solemnized according to the forms of the Council of Trent;
• the right to prevent the State granting to immigrants the public exercise of their own worship;
• the right to require the State not to permit free expression of opinion;

What do you think? Have I left out any important details for these 4 guys, please feel free to fill them in?

Which US Presidents are least likely to be awarded a Vatican coin for their service to promoting Liberty (hint: look to the ones who were assassinated first)?

Which other US Presidents or other world leaders also deserve a proper mentioning?
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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:21 AM
Well it was a horrible event but your statistic of 100,000 dead is really a bit high.

I've never seen an estimate of that degree. It was more like 5,000-30,000.

Its also important to remember that the majority of those deaths happened because of mob violence which just seemed to spread throughout Paris first and then the surrounding cities, it wasn't a planned event. Only the original executions were planned and the rest just kind of happened.

I guess people were in the mood to slaughter. Kind of horrific in itself.

posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 09:22 AM
Oh jeeeze dude .. not more 'the Jesuits are taking over the world' bunk!

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Many of you may know that Hitler was baptised Roman Catholic and in the early stages of his life thought about becoming a priest. Mainstream Catholicism would like us to believe that Hitler left the faith so that none of his actions would be associated with them.

HISTORY shows that Hitler was not a practicing Catholic. When he became a teenager, he left the Catholic faith behind. He had his death camps kill over 100,000 Catholics (including St. Maximillion Kolbe and St. Edith Stein and many priests and nuns). And his nazi troops enslaved tens of thousands of other Catholics and sent them to work camps. He worked to destroy churches and religions while working under the guise of being a good Lutheran German. (which he wasn't)

Did he really disown his first love! Personally, I don't think he did.

You don't think he did because you have seeped yourself in Seventh Day Adventist Anti-Catholic drivel that is both historically inaccurate and paranoid. You quote supposed information about the Jesuits trying to take over the world from hundreds of years ago. If the Jesuits were trying to take over the world... they are doing a lousy job of it.
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posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 03:02 PM
Given your previously demonstrated propensity to only use biased, anti-Catholic and disreputable sources, I think it safe to say most of what you've posted here is dubious, at best.

Yes, the Catholic Church has committed horrific acts in the past, as did the Moslems, Protestants, Anabaptists, secular humanists, and pretty much anyone else who finds themselves in power and has someone who disagrees with them.

The fact that you focus on the Catholic Church, while whitewashing, ignoring or defending the actions of other groups is disingenuous and non-Christian. We will all be asked to account for our actions on Earth, and you should start thinking what your defense will be when asked about the lies that you spread about Christians, such as the Jesuits. In your twisted worldview, you might not think them followers of Christ, but it's God's opinion of them that matters, not yours.

posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 04:34 PM
Starred and Flagged for this awareness thread. People need to really wake up. Very important information.

posted on Feb, 10 2013 @ 06:51 PM

Originally posted by adjensen
Given your previously demonstrated propensity to only use biased, anti-Catholic and disreputable sources, I think it safe to say most of what you've posted here is dubious, at best.

Yes, the Catholic Church has committed horrific acts in the past, as did the Moslems, Protestants, Anabaptists, secular humanists, and pretty much anyone else who finds themselves in power and has someone who disagrees with them.

The fact that you focus on the Catholic Church, while whitewashing, ignoring or defending the actions of other groups is disingenuous and non-Christian. We will all be asked to account for our actions on Earth, and you should start thinking what your defense will be when asked about the lies that you spread about Christians, such as the Jesuits. In your twisted worldview, you might not think them followers of Christ, but it's God's opinion of them that matters, not yours.

Have to agree with that, in fact I don't even know where the OP is coming from, it sounds more like embracing politics, (or those who shout louder) as the only possible coup d'état against anyone with a faith, in this case a Christian faith, while using flawed politicians to back up the case. So much Bull in one post.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 02:39 AM
s&f bud s&f what was it jeebus said LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR I GUESS TIMMY NEVER LEARNED TO READ ??

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 03:35 AM
reply to post by adjensen

Given your previously demonstrated propensity to only use biased, anti-Catholic and disreputable sources, I think it safe to say most of what you've posted here is dubious, at best.

Like your 'convincing' post on the source book for a lot of my content on by a Catholic, signed off as accurate by US intelligence agencies, court case then proceed against the Vatican Bank, Vatican does not sue for misrepresentation or defamation
...Your arguments are a joke, you can't argue content....cos you don't research the content

What's another of your 'convincing' posts Jack Chick Lies: The Real Alberto Rivera the information you posted to expose Jack Chick and Alberto Rivera as frauds.

Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines:

1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.

2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.

I have heard that the Christian Research Institute (CRI), founded by the late Dr. Walter Martin

The supposedly independent protestant Gary Metz has his connections to the Vatican and Jesuits exposed!

Let's see who is behind Christianity Today,

The founder, Billy Graham

Well that pretty much blows your whole case right there, outed high Freemason and One Worlder of the Pope is the person publishing this fully unverified crap on Alberto because he exposes the Vatican.

Billy says:

He went on to say that out of the war in the Gulf may "come a new peace and, as suggested by the President, a new world order."
wiki Billy Graham - Foreign Policy views

Oh my Goodness! Amateur hour at the peanut galley!

Best to look up some rebuttals against Vatican propaganda first as you can always be sure they will make you look silly if you don't. Before believing the first seemingly pro-vatican article you can find (which seems to be about the extent of your investigations) you should have read
- Rebuttal to Christianity Today post by Greg Szymanski with Nury Rivera
- James Huston's letter to the editor of Christianity Today

Your continued demonstrated willingness to post whatever crap one-side clap trap to confirm yourself in your our ignorance is beyond measure. The world is entering tyranny, American's freedoms are being destroyed and close to the brink of economic meltdown and a police state, my country (Australia's) freedoms are falling, the Middle East is in chaos and you demonstrate no propensity to get to the bottom of the issues....Pathetic

Yes, the Catholic Church has committed horrific acts in the past

The Catholic church directly has been committing horrific acts on a mass scale in the 1990's as my post showed, they continue to produce horrific acts by heaps of proxies all over the place even to this day. You are never interested in digging below the surface especially when it begins to stink....when you're digging up the dirt on the church who was given its power, throne and great authority from the dragon then mere history becomes 'anti-catholic' with it!

Catholic church makes it official policy that one should not have the right to free speech, or to be able to choose their religion, that they must honor the Pope as God or be codemned to death...then they carry out the death sentence they feel they have a right to give (the Petrine doctrine is a Joke) in the most cruel ways.
You better start planning your defense mate on being so willfully ignorant on issues of liberty....The thread is about the Vatican, I outed the biggest terrorist group in the world, the Jesuit's...and apparently you barely bothered to read the details of the thread because in the 9-11 segment on Bush I mention Mossad and Islamic intel agencies too.

Not all the Jesuits are 'bad', there are at least 3 degrees of initiation. Ignorant at the bottom, evil at the top, demonic initiations to get there. The best thing the Catholic nations did was start banning the Jesuit order, this was commendable of them. Unfortunately they didn't stick to their guns. A pope now can't even think about getting the Vatican Bank audited without being assassinated.

Parting thoughts -

When the Pope speaks of the liberation of the Church, he means merely this, that it is to set its foot on the neck of every other power.
Gladstone ("Speeches of Pope Pius IX," page 173)

The Bull Unam Santum, issued by Boniface VIII, 16th November, 1302, (quoted in "The Book of Revelation," by F.W.C. Neser, page 184) reads as follows:

The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature altogether necessary for salvation.

It was during the Council of Toulouse that the religious leaders made their decision to outlaw God’s word. "We prohibit laymen possessing copies of the Old and New Testament...We forbid them most severely to have the above books in the popular vernacular." "The lords of the districts shall carefully seek out the heretics in dwellings, hovels, and forests, and even their underground retreats shall be entirely wiped out." Concil Tolosanum, Pope Gregory IX, in the year 1229.

It was again reiterated at the Council of Tarragona that "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after the promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned." Histoire de la Bible en France, D.D. Lortsch, 1910, p.14.

Yeah, let's support the Christianity that bans the Bible (then burns people alive if they were caught with one)!

Deal with the content of the original 4 posts or head off...
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posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:22 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that the Vatican is the Great Satan. People say that the bankers are behind the NWO and the main family associated with this are the Rothschild's. The Rothchild's are also know as the Pope's bankers. They work for the Pope. All road's lead to Rome.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:36 AM
reply to post by FlyersFan

Fact: Hitler never ex-communicated (ex-communcating him would condemn all the practices of the Inquisition, condemn the hanise actions of the Jesuits, and tell the world that the Vatican really is fallible, the foundations of centuries of Catholic faith would crumble over-night)

Fact: Hitler's stolen treasure of his victims and plundered nations in Vatican Bank
Fact: Hitler's intimate continual dealings with Catholic clergy all through the war

What is a 'practicing Catholic' ?

Wow! I didn't realise you could read a 10,000 word thread post and follow up the multitude of source links within 10 minutes of the first post and 3 minutes of the last all while putting together your own post.

You quote supposed information about the Jesuits trying to take over the world from hundreds of years ago. If the Jesuits were trying to take over the world... they are doing a lousy job of it.

Obviously, with your lack of reading of the content, you are in no position to judge any claim conclusively and should not have posted anything at that time. You carrying on about the lack of evidence of Jesuit involvement in world affairs, so I make an extensive thread about just that and you basically don't read a damn thing. Thanks for the respect, you obviously have no interest in learning anything from me or willing to hear anything but your own opinion.

If you are going to continue is such a vain...then I will see you off. Deny ignorance or trundle off. I am interested in understanding history and how it has shaped the world that we have today with all these assaults on freedoms. I take this issue very seriously. I've you don't care for Liberty then go deal trash elsewhere.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 08:57 AM
Boy, you just get nuttier with every post, don't you?

Originally posted by JesuitGarlicLike your 'convincing' post on the source book for a lot of my content on by a Catholic, signed off as accurate by US intelligence agencies, court case then proceed against the Vatican Bank, Vatican does not sue for misrepresentation or defamation

Yes, I noted that your "source" was written by an anti-Catholic communist and an Israeli agitator. It wasn't "signed off as accurate" by anyone, it was demonstrated to be based on information from a known fraud, and there has never been a court ruling against the Vatican based on the facts in that book.

And you clearly have no idea what "defamation" means if you think it can be applied to a country.

Before believing the first seemingly pro-vatican article you can find (which seems to be about the extent of your investigations) you should have read
- Rebuttal to Christianity Today post by Greg Szymanski with Nury Rivera

Greg Szymanski is an anti-Catholic nut job who writes stuff like this:

While Mass is being said in the Sistein Chapel and tourists are being shown the works of Michelangelo, deep within the bowels of the Vatican sits a large, circular room with 13 separate chambers, each leading to a distinct catacomb.

When a mummified body is placed in front of each doorway, a young child is then brutally sacrificed with a long, golden knife during what is said to be a secret induction ceremony for new members of the Illuminati, better known as the New World Order. (Source)

It should come as no surprise that he's one of the few people trying to defend the known fraud Alberto Rivera.

James Huston's letter to the editor of Christianity Today

Did you even read that letter? His "defense" of Rivera is a long list of anti-Catholic quotes from people other than Rivera, followed by:

Secondly, getting back to Alberto Rivera and your accusation against him and the Chick organization, I do not believe that Jack Chick would jeopardize his well-grounded ministry without some definite leading of the Holy Spirit.

Thirdly, I must consider Alberto himself. Why would he also put himself and his dear family in such jeopardy? Look at the enclosed picture of this dear family. Note the precious smile on Alberto's face.

Fourthly, I must consider Satan's part in all this

Fifthly, I must also consider the true holy living Christians that I personally know. And though they be few, yet they are in agreement that this is of God.

That's his argument. No facts, no statements about anything relevant, just garbage like "Note the precious smile on Alberto's face".

Seriously, get a clue.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 12:14 PM
Nice thread S&F. A sick joke indeed
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posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 12:24 PM

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Fact: ..

Dude .. your so called 'facts' aren't facts. It's just a bunch of baloney put out by paranoid Seventh Day Adventists and Jack Chick.

Wow! I didn't realise you could read ..

etc etc etc .... Again .. when you are quoting the same old tired out propaganda and JACK CHICK bunk, then there is no need to read it. Nearly everything you post is the same and it all gets proven wrong. And you never admit it.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 12:49 PM

Originally posted by adjensen
Given your previously demonstrated propensity to only use biased, anti-Catholic and disreputable sources, I think it safe to say most of what you've posted here is dubious, at best.

Yes, the Catholic Church has committed horrific acts in the past, as did the Moslems, Protestants, Anabaptists, secular humanists, and pretty much anyone else who finds themselves in power and has someone who disagrees with them.

The fact that you focus on the Catholic Church, while whitewashing, ignoring or defending the actions of other groups is disingenuous and non-Christian. We will all be asked to account for our actions on Earth, and you should start thinking what your defense will be when asked about the lies that you spread about Christians, such as the Jesuits. In your twisted worldview, you might not think them followers of Christ, but it's God's opinion of them that matters, not yours.

what other major religion has it's own sovereign country centered in a major capital of the world?
what other major religion holds multiple billions of dollars in wealth in it's coffers, while at the same time preaching for the commoners to help the poor?
what other religion gave refuge and helped nazis escape WW2?

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 01:10 PM

Originally posted by jimmyx
what other major religion has it's own sovereign country centered in a major capital of the world?

Who cares? Your complaint is with history, not with the Pope -- like it or not, the Roman Catholic church has been a world power for almost 2,000 years.

what other major religion holds multiple billions of dollars in wealth in it's coffers, while at the same time preaching for the commoners to help the poor?

You do realize that the vast majority of assets held by the Roman Catholic Church are either real estate (ie: churches, schools and cemeteries) or artwork, neither of which can be sold, right?

And that Catholic Charities is one of the world's largest charities, charged with helping the poor, right? The billions of dollars that they spend every year on charitable services dwarfs pretty much every other religious organization.

And you do realize that your statement is actually far more applicable to the Mormon church, right? They're the ones who just built a multi-billion dollar shopping center in Salt Lake City, while their charitable services over the past several decades is a fraction of Catholic Charities spending for one year.

what other religion gave refuge and helped nazis escape WW2?

You do realize that the Nazis killed millions of Catholics during the Holocaust, right?

Congratulations on joining JesuitGarlic in your detachment from reality.

posted on Feb, 12 2013 @ 01:43 AM

It wasn't "signed off as accurate" by anyone

Signed off by various agencies and pre-publication committees in the review process due to Loftus's security clearances....mentioned 5:30min mark to the 7:00min mark of the radio interview
Unholy Trinity - John Loftus interview

and there has never been a court ruling against the Vatican based on the facts in that book.

Why would a court use a book when Bill Clinton opened up the Nazi War files for people to look at in the 1998 Act. The Lawyers can do their own research.

Case against Vatican outcome:

Statement of the Independent Council of Roma of Serbia On the Vatican Bank Lawsuit


Beograd: The lawsuit,
Alperin v. Vatican Bank , has given hope to the Roma people of Serbia that the injustices of the Second World War might finally be addressed. But the U.S Ninth Circuit. Appellate Court decision of December 30, 2010 granting immunity to the Vatican Bank for war crimes is a great disappointment. The US Courts can no longer be considered hospitable to human rights cases. The Vatican Bank has been granted immunity to commit crimes.

There can be no immunity for complicity in genocide. By laundering the gold teeth of our relatives, the Vatican Bank joined with the Ustasha butchers and mad men who terrorized Yugoslavia during the Second World – killing, raping, and looting with impunity. Now the US Court system has seemingly absolved these killers of any guilt through its actions.

There is irrefutable evidence in the form of statements of the witnesses, authenticated historical documents,and transcripts that our lawyer, Dr. Jonathan Levy, and others have submitted to the court.

The Vatican Bank is not a religious institution but is in fact well known through out the world for money laundering. It stands for illegal profiteering and not religion.

The US Courts have set back the cause of human rights to the dark days of the Second World War through its studied indifference to our plight. The US Courts remind us of Pope Pius XII who while feigning holiness encouraged the Nazis and Ustasha to commit genocide due to his inaction.

Today the vaults of the Vatican Bank still gleam with our ancestor’s gold. This blood stained gold was bought dearly with the lives of our kin and is now retained ironically with the help of the courts of the so called former champion of liberty, the United States.
The message of the US Courts is unmistakable – the lives of Roma are worthless in their eyes when compared to the golden allure of the Vatican. The message to neo Nazis, fascists, and racists everywhere is clear as well– it is OK to kill and rob Roma as long as you can make a legal argument for immunity.

The Fransiscan Order is still being prosecuted though, get out of jail free ímmunity’ card for the guilty only extends so far (Vatican can’t win case on their merits so the obstruct justice instead).
Pius' sins

Evidence as presented from the book (who knows what they are using in the case, I would image the sources cited and more)

On 23 July 1997, The US National Archives faxed us a copy of a Top Secret document that had recently been declassified. It was a report from Emerson Bigelow, an intelligence officer of the Strategic Services Unit. The SSU was an interim spy organization that existed between the end of the Office of Strategic Services and the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency. The intelligence report was 'received from a reliable source in Italy' and was forwarded to the US Treasury Department on 21 October 1946.


...According to Bigelow's separate sources, a large portion of Nazi gold stolen by Ante Pavelic and his fellow Croatian war criminals had, indeed, ended up in the Vatican Bank:

The Ustascha organization (a Croatian fascist organization, headed by Ante Pavelic) removed funds from Jugoslavia estimated to total 350 million Swiss francs. The funds were largely in the form of gold coins.

Of the funds brought from the former Independent Croat State where Jews and Serbs were plundered to support the Ustascha organization in exile, an estimated 150 million Swiss Francs were impounded by British authorities at the Austro-Swiss frontier; the balance of approximately 200 million Swiss Francs was originally held in the Vatican for safe-keeping. According to rumor, a considerable portion of this latter amount has been sent to Spain and Argentina through the Vatican "pipeline", but it is quite possible that this is merely a smoke-screen to cover the fact that the treasure remains in its original depository.

Bigelow was right to suspect a smoke screen...a few months after the Bigelow report, Special Agent William Gowen of the US Army Counter Intelligence Corps established that the British had taken the Ustashi money to Italy ‘accompanied by a number of priests’. British intelligence, instead of seizing the stolen assets, passed them to the Vatican to finance an anti-Communist Croatian terrorist network known as Krizari.

[ citing: Gowen memo of 29 August 1947 , Pavelic CIC file, released under US FOIA, pp. 2-6. Father Draganovic, the Vatican’s point man for the Krizari operations, made a full confession years later to the Yugoslav intelligence services. Draganovic statement to Yugoslav authorities, 26 September 1967; and article in [i[La Republic, 24 September 1948, Italian ministry of Foreign Affairs Archives, 1948 Busta 33, fasciolo 2, processo di Zagrabia]

Father Draganovic, the key Vatican organizer of the Ratlines and a major intelligence source inside the Vatican, later admitted that in 1945 400 kilos of Ustashi gold, worth millions of dollars, had been hidden in Austria, and he had personally moved 40 kilos to Rome concealed in two packing crates.

[citing: Statement by Father Draganovic to Yugoslav authorities, 26 September 1967]

18 months after the Bigelow report, US Army intelligence confirmed the existence of the Vatican-Swiss Bank connection. They reported that 2,400 kilos of gold and other valuables...still remained in the Vatican's secret accounts in Switzerland. But how did they get it out? And where to hide it? The Vatican’s key courier for the Ustashi’s stolen gold in Switzerland was the Slovene quisling Bishop Rozman, who arranged to send it to Italy and later Pavelic in Argentina.

[citing: Harrington CIC Memo of 9 March 1948, ‘Activity of Bishops Rozman and Saric’, released under FOIA]

Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 297-298

Bigelow Report, formal confessions by Draganovic himself, US Army Intelligence Harrington CIC Memo and to take the cake, US Army Counter Intelligence Corps Gowen Memo, the British admit the gave the stolen goods back to the Vatican and then they used that to finance terrorist activities!

What a pisser. What have I been saying all along...casting pearls on deaf ears

Greg Szymanski is an anti-Catholic nut job who writes stuff like this:

To the unaware, unlearned goyim anything anti-Catholic is 'nuts' to you. I don’t even have to read anymore of the text source you posted to know exactly where he got that information from. I even posted on it in a ‘side note’ section in the hitler post on this thread, just under the Adam Weishaupt section. The information comes from a woman defector of the illuminati using the alias Svali who underwent a sealing ceremony in the Vatican into the Order of the Illuminati at 12 years old. You can listen to her personal account of the event by listening to this audio interview of Svali...the said event in question is described from the 3min mark to about the 10min mark (best you just listen to the whole interview and develop a real opinion and start learning...although there are better places to find Svali info as well).

I came across interviews with this lady about 3 years ago.

It should come as no surprise that he's one of the few people trying to defend the known fraud Alberto Rivera.

I just debunked the claim-makers against Alberto in my previous post...Man, old habits die hard with you. Get a new line!

Did you even read that letter? His "defense" of Rivera is a long list of anti-Catholic quotes from people other than Rivera

I read both articles fully when you presented your post against him a couple of months back (i could not be bothered posting a full 5000+ word thread debunking fulling your source then because I could not believe how unbelievably lazy your research had been, you didn't deserve it). The second article was a different way for presenting the case, I didn’t just post it up for you but anyone who wants to check out the story. It is a long list of ‘truthful’ quotes, unfortunately for the Catholic church, truth is ’anti-catholic’. Learn to deal with it.

- Your arguments against Alberto Rivera has crumbled...
- Your argument against someone you disagree with (like Greg Szymanski) presenting someone as a nut is a dog tactic when he has an abused victim of occult secret societies, now a Christian, as his source for his information.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
George Orwell quotes (English Novelist and Essayist, 1903-1950

- Get it into your head, the Vatican didn't win any court case clearing them of the charges, after many years of trials they got off on diplomatic immunity....the way you try to bend information is unbelievable (and something you'll have to answer for)
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