Al Qaeda Were a Figment of a New York Prosecuters Imagination

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by michael1983l

I have recently learned that Al Qaeda were never known by that name until the US prosecuters in the Jamal al-Fadi prosecution case went ahead in United States v. Osama bin Laden, No. S(7) 98 Cr. 1023 (S.D. N.Y.), Feb. 6, 2001 (transcript pp. 218–219, 233);

Osama bin Ladin said you are mistaken

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.

Seems Osama didn't know English either because Al-Qaeda doesn't mean the base in English at all.. Far from it actually. And when someone can actually make the translation work, please, I'd love to see it.

reply to post by michael1983l

Easily resolved by doing a LexisNexis search for the term -- first mention in mainstream media on 14 Aug 1996 in a UPI article:

Earlier, during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Usama Bin Ladin drew on his family’s wealth ‘plus donations received from sympathetic merchant families in the Gulf region’ to organize the Islamic Salvation Foundation, or al-Qaida. The group established recruitment centers in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan that enlisted and sheltered thousands of Arab recruits to fight the Soviets. ‘This network remains active,’ the State Department said.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
[
Seems Osama didn't know English either because Al-Qaeda doesn't mean the base in English at all.. Far from it actually. And when someone can actually make the translation work, please, I'd love to see it.[

Here you go:

The name comes from the Arabic noun qā'idah, which means foundation or basis, and can also refer to a military base. The initial al- is the Arabic definite article the, hence the base

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by michael1983l

I have recently learned that Al Qaeda were never known by that name until the US prosecuters in the Jamal al-Fadi prosecution case went ahead in United States v. Osama bin Laden, No. S(7) 98 Cr. 1023 (S.D. N.Y.), Feb. 6, 2001 (transcript pp. 218–219, 233);

Osama bin Ladin said you are mistaken

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.

weak.

so they called the actual physical mujahedeen base.....wait for it ... a base.

seriously? thats all you've got?

thats like saying..

"I used to train in the woods. we called it the woods."

and also, all this does it prove that group is affiliated with the CIA since thats when America supported them against the Russians..

Originally posted by reeferman

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Osama bin Ladin said you are mistaken

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.

weak.

so they called the actual physical mujahedeen base.....wait for it ... a base.

seriously? thats all you've got?

Sseriously - since it is from eth guy who headed it, yeah - what more shold be required??

thats like saying..

"I used to train in the woods. we called it the woods."

Or calling something west point because it is located at, say, West Point, or Cape Town because it is a town at "the Cape", or "Twin Towers" because they are twin towers.

Yeah - you are right - no-one would ever do anythign so blase....

and also, all this does it prove that group is affiliated with the CIA since thats when America supported them against the Russians..

All that proves is that the CIA suppoted them against the Russians - a bit of time passed since that happened.

The USA also supported the USSR against Germany.....does that mean the USA supported the USSR against het USA in the cold war too?

Wait...you probably think the whole cold war thing was made up in Hollywood on het set next to the moon landing and Castro's cigar factory...

sorry for brinign reality into your sad little fantasy!

reply to post by michael1983l


The reason that the US didn't know what AQ's name was because they didn't learn the organization's name until they captured Jamal Al-Fadl. Until, they just knew that there was a group led by Bin-Laden that was primarily anti-Western and anti-American. I believe they originally thought that AQ was a part of Ayman Al-Zawahiri's Al-Jihad group, but I may be wrong on that.

reply to post by winofiend


'The fact that islamic ideology itself breeds segregated mindsets is what affects us on the small scale.'

Kinda like Christianity, no? Aren't there about 41,000 different Christian denominations?

"Al-Qaida,(sic) literally 'the database,' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians," admits former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), in a column published by the UK Guardian newspaper.
( www.guardian.co.uk... )

reply to post by PatriotGames2


Shows that even former foreign secretaries are not always correct.

Given his record as serving on Blair's cabinet right up to the invasion of Iraq, supportingt military interventions in Afghanistan, Kosovo & Sierra Leone, sucking up to Libya over the Lockerbie "trial" and generally being part of hte political elite, who could possibly have guessed that??!!