Al Qaeda Were a Figment of a New York Prosecuters Imagination

I never knew this as being such obvious fact, I suspect it has been covered before in the past but I think this is a subject that should be re-highlighted.

I have recently learned that Al Qaeda were never known by that name until the US prosecuters in the Jamal al-Fadi prosecution case went ahead in United States v. Osama bin Laden, No. S(7) 98 Cr. 1023 (S.D. N.Y.), Feb. 6, 2001 (transcript pp. 218–219, 233); The US Government at this time wanted to take retribution for the Embassy bombings in Kenya as well as an opportunity for Bush's neo-Conservative government to create a "baddy" that the American public can focus on as there was no longer an organisation like the Communists to fight anymore.

The USA wanted to prosecute Bin Laden in a US court in New York but could only do so in his absence if he was associated with a group, much like being head of the Mafia and used these anti-mafia laws to prosecute. The only trouble being that Bin Laden was not actually a leader of any group and was more just a person with an Ideal and funding to back projects up. So the US prosecuters used a double agent by the name of Jamal al-Fadi, who had been in contact with Bin Laden through the Afghan Mujahadine and had done work with various governments already and had been known as a Charlatan and a Liar al-Fadi, al-Fadi was tasked with creating an organisation so that Bin Laden could be prosecuted in his abscence in a US court and thus Al Qaeda was born.

From here on in the story gets a bit moggy and it is difficult to ascertain what is fact and what is disinformation by the government, but I find it very hard to believe that Al Qaeda pulled off 9/11 in the same year that they had just been made up by the US Government.

There is a great BBC Documentary that goes into how Al Qaeda was thrust into existance and goes on also to talk about the sham arrests made under the Terrorism act both in the USA and the UK and it shows you the "evidence" (and I use that term loosley) that they used in the prosecutions, all of which were overturned by the judge. It is about an hour long, but if you have never seen it before and you have the time then it is well worth the watch.

I for one are now convinced that the war against terror and the Muslim world is completely made up by the West and the only reason we can now find Muslims with intentions of hurting the West is because we have brought it upon ourselves by attacking them in the first place.

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I knew an Arab man who told me that Al Qaeda openly held fund raising fairs in the Middle East (he was from Jordan).

Originally posted by michael1983l
I for one are now convinced that the war against terror and the Muslim world is completely made up by the West and the only reason we can now find Muslims with intentions of hurting the West is because we have brought it upon ourselves by attacking them in the first place.

Between 1795 and 1799 the USA was paying a 1/5 of the entire annual income of the United States government to Muslim Barbary coast pirates to prevent them from attacking American ships and enslaving the crews.

Terrorism In Early America

Islam has been attacking the West off and on, pretty much on, for the last 1,300 years. For most of that time they were winning.



Its only since the collapse of the Turkish Ottoman empire in 1918 that the West has exercised any dominance over the Islamic East.

Originally posted by ollncasino
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I knew an Arab man who told me that Al Qaeda openly held fund raising fairs in the Middle East (he was from Jordan).

When was this, if it was pre 2001 he is lying, because Al-Qaeda was never mentioned before then. Bin Laden and a few idealists existed and they had funds and would like to spread Islam through the use of violence against the West, but that was a strategy and nothing more. What the West has done is give Bin Laden and his associates the power to recruit and make people believe they were anything more than a tin pot outfit.

You will always find people that want to spread their religion, but the so called "terrorists" never existed until we thought them into existance.

I for one have a basic understanding of history and know for a fact that the muslim world has indeed created the problem for themselves over a long history of religious imposition.

Also, the term al qaeda was not common in arabic, and it means the base. The people who comprise the terrorist organisation were well established despite some "New York prosecuters" imagination.

Q: You said you want to defeat America on this land. Don't you think that the presence of al Qaeda on Afghanistan soil is costing the Afghan people a high price?

BIN LADEN: This is a partial point of view. When we came to Afghanistan to support the mujahedeen in 1979, against the Russians, the Saudi government asked me officially not to enter Afghanistan due to how close my family is to the Saudi leadership.

Bin Laden interview stating at least 21 years prior to 9/11 al qaeda existed.

Q: So what you are saying is that this is a type of reciprocal treatment. They kill our innocents, so we kill their innocents.

BIN LADEN: So we kill their innocents, and I say it is permissible in law and intellectually, because those who spoke on this matter spoke from a juridical perspective.

On retribution and the killing of innocents.

We have one religion, one God, one book, one prophet, one nation. Our book teaches us to be brothers of a faith. All the Muslims are brothers. The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. We speak about the conscience of the nation; we are the sons of the nation. We brothers in Islam from the Middle East, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and as far as Mauritania.

On the origins of al qaeda.

archives.cnn.com...
interview with bin laden, feb 05 2002.

But queue the "Bin lades was cia puppet blah blah"

At least people have stopped presenting "photoshop presents" threads on him. "Look here he has a beard, and here he has a beard. My shoop skills tell me they are not the same beard. I call an actor!!!"..

Originally posted by michael1983l

You will always find people that want to spread their religion, but the so called "terrorists" never existed until we thought them into existance.

If only the West was so all powerful!

Between the 16th & 19th centuries Muslim Barbary Corsairs enslaved between 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans by seizing them from as far away as Ireland & Iceland.

Link

Did the CIA create that as well?

Islam has invaded Sicily, Cyprus, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Sardinia, Armenia, Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary.

Islam has repeatably and consistently attacked the West in its 1,300 year history. All we are seeing is the latest episode in a long line of violence between Islam and the West.

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And snakes are like kittens. Don't believe those who know better and who lie about the bights and the venom.

They're just liars. Snake oil salesmen want all the snakes for themselves.

Have any of you actually watched the documentary? They presented the FACTS in a much better way than I have, it has left me with no doubt as to the "war on terror" we are fighting today.

Originally posted by michael1983l
Have any of you actually watched the documentary? They presented the FACTS in a much better way than I have, it has left me with no doubt as to the "war on terror" we are fighting today.

BBC The Power of Nightmares?

I watched it a few years ago. It is interesting but I didn't find it entirely convincing. Perhaps because of the fact that I watched another BBC documentary at the time (apologizes, I can't remember which one), which took the opposite tack and proved the existence of Bin Laden!

The Power of Nightmares is a 4 part series. It is worth a watch.

First time i heard about Al Qaeda must have been around 1990 when my airline (among others) was put on alert due to a possible imminent attack from them.

Next time was following the 1993 WTC bombing.

Then a few weeks before the 9/11 when it was was reported that most known Al Qaeda camps in Pakistan were suddenly abandoned.

Then of course 9/11.

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That was not A Qaeda that did those.

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The current 'war on terror' and the fact that islamist terrorists engage in terror tactics, are two separate things.

I have no doubt that there are people in this world profiting from the current war and do not wish to see it end, it gives them extreme power and wealth. Of this I have no doubt.

But I don't see terrorism as a created ploy to engage in war. If anything, it's a lucrative reality for these people who profit from it. And sure fanning the fires that milk their cash cows is being done.

That is the grand scale of things. The fact that islamic ideology itself breeds segregated mindsets is what affects us on the small scale. It's people under the same umbrella that blow up bars and hotels and subways and busses that are pawns just like everyone who is either a participant or a victim.

That has been the way it is for millennia.

al qaeda existed before 9/11. But before 9/11 who cared about an embassy in some middle eastern country or some asian country. No one eating their apple pie, that's for sure.

Originally posted by michael1983l
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That was not A Qaeda that did those.

Well, that's your opinion.

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No it is not, it is quite factual. The people involved in the attacks may have been later involved in Al Qaeda, but as has been pointed out, Al Qaeda was a term first coined in 2001 by the US Prosecution, Bin Laden later went on to adopt this name due to the publicity and power the USA had given him by making out they were much more powerful than they actually ever were.

Originally posted by michael1983l
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Al Qaeda, but as has been pointed out, Al Qaeda was a term first coined in 2001 by the US Prosecution,

If that is true why did i hear about AQ back in the 90's?

I know for a fact that my memory serves me well because i had a chat with our former fleet manager and a few other pilots not long ago, and they all remember the same thing that i do.

Originally posted by michael1983l

Al Qaeda was a term first coined in 2001 by the US Prosecution, Bin Laden later went on to adopt this name due to the publicity and power the USA had given him by making out they were much more powerful than they actually ever were.

So you are arguing that Bin Laden renamed his existing organization to "Al Qaeda"?

Even if that is true, in what sense then did the CIA & MI6 create Bin Laden and his organization that flew two airliners in the twin towers?

Jeeze, just watch the Documentary, it is all addressed there.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by michael1983l

You will always find people that want to spread their religion, but the so called "terrorists" never existed until we thought them into existance.

Islam has invaded Sicily, Cyprus, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Sardinia, Armenia, Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary.

Islam has repeatably and consistently attacked the West in its 1,300 year history. All we are seeing is the latest episode in a long line of violence between Islam and the West.

Exactly. Islam, the religion of peace? I don't think so.

Originally posted by iskander683
Exactly. Islam, the religion of peace? I don't think so.

Same could be said for the fraudulant Christianity..

even though i don't agree with your info ...

your premise is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!!

al-qaeda was made up by the [shadow] government

flag but no star.

Originally posted by michael1983l

I have recently learned that Al Qaeda were never known by that name until the US prosecuters in the Jamal al-Fadi prosecution case went ahead in United States v. Osama bin Laden, No. S(7) 98 Cr. 1023 (S.D. N.Y.), Feb. 6, 2001 (transcript pp. 218–219, 233);

Osama bin Ladin said you are mistaken

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.