It's really quite hilarious for those who are able to recognize it.

I hope someone laughs somewhere down the line.. surely.


Tell me (said like Carl Jung puffing on his pipe and looking at you but in a non-judgmental fashion)

"What do you think is your own Hintergendanken and what does it really want?"

Re: God

There is only one God

until more and more people realize this to be true, that there is ONLY GOD, realizing that the word God simply means Already Happiness, ones True condition etc., not until then will you be happy to live with me, for then the illusion of there being a you and a me will cease to matter. (Adi Da Samraj).

Therefore, our Hintergendanken's ought to be able to co-exist, because in the final realization, as an "ulterior motive" it can no longer sustain it's own frame of reference as a purely selfish impulse, but one must first become aware of it for it to cease to exist or have influence.

Mine is to look good and be held in high regard, if not awe, in your eyes..lol for opening your eyes, so that we can see one another face to face as we really are, without any pretense whatsoever because unless it's authentic there can't be any real love and that's also what my ulterior motive or Hintergendanken is about, to really love and be loved, to access that again, to make up for the love I've lost in my family of origin, so I secretly want to make everyone part of my family with me fully accepted and fully loved.

Thank you for sharing. I'm too shy to share my inner hintergednaken with the world, but I definitely appreciate this thread. I accept and love you as a member of our ATS family, and as a member of the human family, and that love is unconditional. I may become upset. But my love never dies. It's so big...you can't see it!! Thank you again for sharing, bud. I know that takes courage.

Oh, the irony.

Originally posted by BlueMule
Oh, the irony.

I knew someone would laugh at some point..

But unless it's a joke at your own expense, you didn't get it..

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by BlueMule
Oh, the irony.

I knew someone would laugh at some point..

But unless it's a joke at your own expense, you didn't get it..

Yeah, it was a joke that was playing out as the Watts talk progressed. Partly at my expense and partly at my wifes. It was showing me how it can operate through everyone in an objective way. Like Indras Net.

Originally posted by BlueMule
Yeah, it was a joke that was playing out as the Watts talk progressed. Partly at my expense and partly at my wifes. It was showing me how it can operate through everyone in an objective way. Like Indras Net.

I think that we are like tuff nuts that need cracking open to find the multifaceted jewel inside which then celebrates it's reflection within, without and in playful creative participation or sharing with others, and being there with their multifaceted reflecting jewel, forcing their outer shell to crack open, and their own Hintergendanken to become self aware.

Somehow we must find the weakness, and allow ourselves to be broken, and then we find the true source of all strength and wisdom, and the humor of true self knowledge and understanding, and yes it does create the epiphany of seemingly unending irony, like a joke told at one's own expense that just keeps on getting funnier, and which breaks through all our defenses until we become our true and authentic self as we really are in self acceptance.

This also generates the "field" of awareness or the "light" by which others are given the permission and the courage to also become fully self accepted and self realized, and on and on it goes and where it stops nobody knows. We take our light out from under the bushel basket and place it out on the lampstand as light for all in the house.

To express ourselves authentically of course requires the risk of being seen as ridiculous and absurd, but when we begin with the presupposition that the very nature of our human condition is already ridiculous and absurd to begin with (ie: we don't know who or what we really are but know we don't know it, for staters), then we're set free by being free from self judgement and condemnation (and we wouldn't even know how if we tried), and then in the space of self acceptance we can truly accept the other, and even be the space of non-judgemental unconditional acceptance (the highest form of love) by which they might then be given the permission and empowered courage, to fully accept themselves as they are, and in the process, as we love, so too are we loved (for loving), without for a moment robbing either ourselves or the other person of their own unique personal spiritual experience and self-expression, which, although we all share a human experience is private and personal and unique to each person based on the configuration of their entire life experience and the content of their inner being or self.

But if the two Hintergendanken's are unconscious and repressed then there's just a lot of senseless and unnecessary tension as the two ulterior motives or hidden agendas clash, and how absurd is that?

So I'm very happy to hear that both you and your wife were able to recognize the irony, that's beautiful, and magnificent, because then there's the possibility for real love in mutual self acceptance even the celebration of the other within the framework of Indras Net. Wow. That's pretty powerful, maybe even a world-changing fulcrum of personal and interpersonal transformation and spiritual and psychological growth and well being.

This ideal of love and mutuality as a mechanism of reconciliation and atonement is also the highest expression of the Christian ideal or Christ-principal.


"This is my only commandment.

Love one another as I have loved you."

Doesn't sound unreasonable no matter how unreasonably reasonable (because it's a limitless love) it may be.

Cheers,

NAM

What can be funny about discovering the Truth of Our Creator's words that all men's hearts (thoughts) are evil?
Nothing. When He leads you to really see how wicked our prior thoughts were, you don't laugh, but instead you cry at just how separated we were thinking that man knows better than His Creator. I don't laugh at my previous delusions which He reveals to me, but instead I bow in front of my Holy Father at my utter stupidity and carnal thinking. I cry "WOE UNTO ME" in the face of Truth as its taught, and as it tears down the falsities and untruths which I hold in my mind.

So please tell me, just WHO is Jung's "god"? Certainly not one who leads his children to understand the truth of their condition nor one who teaches his children that to love God is to obey His commands.

It sounds like it leads to the opposite of sincere to me, like one is hiding what they really want to say and thus there is no real progress, just a long story about people making others believe they said something but really they didn't so there's never really closure for the other party. Meanwhile the hintergedanken person would probably have a blast at the expense of the other.

Conflicts are only solved when 2 people agree, not when one is convinced it is while the other doesn't, otherwise it just doesn't count as a victory, or anything else but an everlasting battle and at some time the tables will turn as all things change and then the joke will be on the one who started it.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
It sounds like it leads to the opposite of sincere to me, like one is hiding what they really want to say and thus there is no real progress, just a long story about people making others believe they said something but really they didn't so there's never really closure for the other party. Meanwhile the hintergedanken person would probably have a blast at the expense of the other.

Conflicts are only solved when 2 people agree, not when one is convinced it is while the other doesn't, otherwise it just doesn't count as a victory, or anything else but an everlasting battle and at some time the tables will turn as all things change and then the joke will be on the one who started it.

Precisely. You got it.