posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 04:45 AM
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by thoughtsfull
Oh yes I quite agree - paganism is alive and well. You only have to look at the old churches with their goblins and green men. I grew up in a village
half of which was Sussex and the other half hants - it is surely a magical part of the world. I wish i still lived there.
*yeay* waves from the top of the Downs..
Anyway, just been thinking this through and If Crowley was employed by the Secret Services during WW2, it would (at best guess) have been with Mi9A..
Mi9 was split into 2 distinct groups, and we predominantly know of MI9 (separate from Mi9A) as the department that used stage magicians,
escapologists, conjurers to design and create all the escape aids given to POWs/Resistance fighters for escape and evasion..
But dig a little deeper and you'll find "A force" or "Mi9A" who employed magicians for deception, creating fake air fields, fake armies, fake towns to
deceive the Germans etc. they where more active in combating Germany by deception and more.
Of the 2, Mi9A is harder to pin down, more myth than real knowledge of their activities, which is why I find them interesting, and thus there has
always been in my mind scope for Mi9A to be more than the claimed stage trickery..
I have always thought that "A Force" was more a mixture of the stage and the occult, especially given that the occult of the age was related more to
the stage than they are now, the two where at that time inextricably linked in peoples minds so it would be logical to tie both together in one
One supposed trick to impress senior officers of the abilities of Mi9A was to create the illusion that the German pocket battleship the Admiral Graff
Spee was sailing up the Thames.. Another was making Alexandria harbour vanish, which was supposed to have been carried out to hide the whole of
Alexandria from German bombers.
So if there was a department that Crowley would fit in, it would in my mind be Mi9A, what is interesting about Mi9A and the magic/illusions/tricks
they created is that most are attributed to one stage magician, Jasper Maskelyne, a stage magician that everyone seems to agree 100% couldn't have
carried out any of the illusions attributed to him, nor anyone around to confirm the methods they used to hide Alexandria from German bombers.
So that always leaves a few question in my mind, if he didn't. who did? and if there is no evidence of the usual camouflage tricks used, what was
used? real magic? I know some sceptics will say nothing was used, which is a fair enough response, but we have plenty of evidence of how the other
fakes/tricks where carried out, and while we can assume the same tricks where used there are few incidents that are still anomalies.
I guess we will never know more than we do right now, but it is an interesting topic.. hope I have added a little to your investigation.. and perhaps
an avenue to search
For those Britons old enough to remember him on TV, the comedian Michael Bentine (of the Goons Show) was part of Mi9, he also had a family interest in
parapsychology, and was the President of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena, of which Bob Rickard (founder of "Fortean
Times") is a founding member.
That just shows that there are links between parapsychology and British Secret Services at the time the OP refers to.
Take it a little further and to look at Bentine, now a civilian, he saw the need for this country to create a counter-terrorist team to fight fire
with fire, and it was his persistence and advice that led to the creation of the Counter-Terrorist Unit of the SAS..
Under what circumstances can you imagine a civilian, parapsychologist and Goon show comedian impressing senior members of the SAS so much that they
started a counter terrorist unit before any one else?
His direct superior at Mi9 was Airey Neave was part of the prosecution at the Nuremberg trials, it is reported that he claimed a large proportion of
the Nazi occult material was withheld during the trials.
So I wonder if any of that evidence withheld at the Nuremberg trials point to anything that could substantiate the claims made in the op?
I guess we will never know, but it is a tantalising thought that the evidence to prove this battle one way or the other could be out
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