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In September 1977, men and women began training in the same basic training units at Fort McClellan and Fort Jackson and in October 1978 at Fort Dix and Fort Leonard Wood.
“…engaging the enemy on the ground with individual or crew served weapons, while being exposed to hostile fire and to a high probability of direct physical contact with the hostile force’s personnel
"The time has come to rescind the direct combat exclusion rule for women and to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service,"
In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British
For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder
Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line
The U.S. Department of Defense issued a Jan. 24 memo that will give more women an opportunity serve in combat roles and military jobs that had been reserved only for men.
The Pentagon’s new policy of allowing women in combat jobs has raised new questions about an issue that the U.S. Supreme Court settled 22 years ago. Should young women be required to register with the U.S. Selective Service System just as young men do?
As my opponent has presented, women have been involved in the military for many years. Being involved does not mean being on the front lines, and there are many reasons why this is not a good idea.
on August 6, 1862, Hodgers, a resident of Belvidere, Illinois, enlisted in the 95th Illinois Infantry under the name Albert Cashier. Although she was the shortest soldier in the regiment, and kept mostly to herself, Hodgers was accepted as “one of the boys” and considered to be a good soldier
Hodgers’ regiment was part of the Army of the Tennessee and fought in over 40 engagements, including the siege of Vicksburg, the Battle of Nashville, the Red River Campaign, and the battles at Kennesaw Mountain and Jonesborough, Georgia. There is an account of Hodgers being captured and escaping by overpowering a prison guard, but no further details of this event exist
"I was a female paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. I want to make you aware of the fact that the females in the 82nd were among the ground troops that pushed into Iraq during the ground war...and we most definitely could shoot back."
I have serious problems with 18-25 year old females being "drafted", and required to join the military
The Selective Service Act of 1917 (40 Stat. 76) was passed by the 65th United States Congress on May 18, 1917 creating the Selective Service System
A Navy SEAL himself, Admiral Eric T. Olson said at the opening session of the 2011 Aspen Security Forum that he would like to see female SEALs in combat roles.
"As soon as policy permits it, we'll be ready to go down that road," said Olson.
When a member of your team is wounded, you are required to "fireman" carry them out of the line of fire. A female simply can't heft a 200 pound man over her shoulder
Those enlisting in the Navy or Air Force must pass an annual fitness test that includes a 1.5-mile run; the Navy requires a time under 12:51 for males under age 30 and under 15:26 for women under 30.
The Navy PFT requires men under age 30 to complete 29 push-ups and 38 sit-ups, while women the same age must complete 23 push-ups and 32 sit-ups.
The Navy PFT requires men under age 30 to swim 500 yards in 12 minutes, while women under age 30 must swim 400 yards in 12 minutes.
Females in the Army must be at least 4' 10" (58 inches). The upper height limit imposed by the Army is 6' 8" (80 inches).
Female soldiers must adhere to weight standards. AR 40-501 includes a height vs. weight ratio table. If a female soldier exceeds her maximum permitted weight, her body fat will be calculated. Female soldiers exceeding weight and body fat will be put on the Army Weight Control Program in accordance with AR 600-9; those who continue to exceed their maximum weight and body fat will be discharged from military service.
Female recruits are prohibited from sexual activity during basic training and advanced individual training; pregnancy during this time frame can result in punitive action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Once initial entry training is complete, female soldiers may become pregnant if they are not in a combat zone. Pregnant females are required to conduct routine physical training with other pregnant females and must return to normal physical activity within two months of delivery.
All of the service branches are supposed to come up with plans by May 15 for integrating women into combat positions and for requesting exemptions, Pentagon officials said.
For example, to work in a tank, women will have to demonstrate the ability to repeatedly load 55-pound tank shells, just as men are required to do.
This could make it difficult for women to qualify in roles that specifically require upper-body strength.
Studies showed that women lacked the required strength to lower landing gear and activate ejection seats, were slowed by ladder rung spacing while performing emergency damage control tasks onboard ships, and had impaired optimal performance due to personal equipment design.
Servicewomen in initial entry training have twice the rate of musculoskeletal injuries. Presently, stress fracture incidence rates for the US Army range from 3.4 – 21.0% for women compared to 0.9 – 5.2% for men in recruit training.
Half of pregnant Soldiers failed to return to their prepregnancy fitness levels 6-9 months postpartum, at least one third were overfat, and postpartum Soldiers were four times more likely to fail the APFT at their first postpartum fitness test compared to nonpregnant female Soldiers
Military equipment and material design considerations need to address female anthropometrics and physiology.
Most active duty debilitating headaches such as migraine occur in women.
Each branch of the service has different PFTs (Physical Fitness Tests), but let's focus closer on the disparity between men and women.
How about pregnancy in the military?
However, studies have shown that pregnant military women lose no more work time than military men (U. S. Navy Work Loss Studies-NPRDC), who lose more time due to sports injuries and disciplinary reasons
Five NATO nations have no combat exclusion laws or policies: Canada, Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway, and Portugal. In addition, Greece, The Netherlands, and Turkey have no statutory restrictions, although they do have selected policies
Australia lifts restrictions for women in combat roles
Marti Ribeiro was born into a military family.
in March 2003, she was deployed to Iraq.
from the time she arrived she was routinely harassed and called Air Force Barbie.
In 2006 she was in Afghanistan.
"You're supposed to carry your weapon at all times in a combat zone," she said.
"But I put my weapon down and walked away to smoke a cigarette and that was when I was attacked."
She was then dragged behind some power generators and raped.
She went to the authorities but they told her that if she filed a claim, she would be charged with dereliction of duty for leaving her weapon unattended in a combat zone - an offence for which you can be court-martialled. So she kept quiet and the man who attacked her went unpunished.
Equally worryingly, the Department of Defense estimated in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault, that around 90% of rapes in the military are never reported.
Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, who sits on the Military Personnel Subcommittee, successfully lobbied last year for the development of a Sexual Assault Database to encourage accountability within the Armed Forces.
"There are plenty of phone calls that come into my office of alleged assault of women by our military men," she says.
"They are heartbreaking. Some women don't want to go public with it, some have gone public with it and they've been drilled out of the military.
She says that not enough prosecutions are happening and that while the Pentagon is taking it more seriously, big changes still need to be made.
( It was necessary to remove the first two sentences - as they contained identifying information which could have undermined the sanctity of the anonymous judge concept. )
So with that being said, Both fighters did an excellent job of showing examples of both the pro's and con's of having women in combat situations, although I found it somewhat odd, that it took Cowboy until their third post to mention the IDF, and the fact that all women in Israel had to enlist and serve at least 2 years. That I would have thought would be the prime example of a nation that has an integrated force, also Lybia prior to Mummar Kaddafi's fall had an integrated military.
Druid relied a little too much on emotional arguments for my taste one such quote stands out in my mind:
Reading between the lines, women suffer from PMS, but cramps and migraines aren't so good to deal with while in combat.
This unfortunately cinched my decision. To bring up such a cliche, ruined whatever argument Druid had.. The old joke of staying away from a woman who has PMS ran through my head.
So Although both did a wonderful job, I have to award this debate to okiecowboy...
okiecowboy began by showing Women have been on the front lines of combat in the past but the examples were from the civil war where it was American against American and everyone took up arms most without a full regiment of training and the regulations were much less stringent to qualify making the argument of today null and void.
Druid42 began to show the differences in physical ability in regards to qualifications stating that they were not capable of a "Firemans" carry yet Women are firefighters and thus have passed the "Firemens Carry" test and are capable of doing it nullifying the statement.
As the title of this debate is "Women in the Military, now combat ready?" and Druid42 states
As this debate comes to a conclusion, it's important to remember the topic at hand. It's not whether or not women are capable of surpassing their physical limitations, and it's not whether or not women are capable fighters. In most respects, women can do the same job in combat as their male counterparts. The topic at hand is whether or not women are combat ready.
Driuid42 has conceded that Women ARE ready for combat and therefore conceded the debate as the topic is not whether or not the Military is ready for Women in combat in equipment regulation or procedure.
Debate goes to okiecowboy.