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Originally posted by mplsfitter539
Do you honestly believe that God created 90% of the human race just so He could torture them in hell for all eternity?
Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by mplsfitter539
Do you honestly believe that God created 90% of the human race just so He could torture them in hell for all eternity?
I'm not aware of anything in the Bible that says God tortures anyone, I'm not sure where you came up with that idea.
Romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
I personally agree with the Catholic and Arminian belief that, while Christ came for all men (as noted in your quote,) all men also have the ability to reject him. Universal salvation says that one cannot reject him (not "will not", but the non-willful cannot,) which is in opposition of free will (so it's really more of an Arminian thing than Catholic, I suppose.)
While I think universal salvation would be peachy, I believe it is a very dangerous thing to promote, as, if you're wrong, you're not just wrong for yourself (assuming that you don't get saved) but for everyone that you've taught that behaviours and beliefs don't matter.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by mplsfitter539
I agree we dont have free will to do as we like. We still have to obay the 10 commandments.
If some never bother to fallow Gods 10 commandments are they still going to be saved?
Originally posted by mplsfitter539
Where did you get the idea that anyone has free will.
Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (Deuteronomy 30:19-20 NIV)
Originally posted by favouriteslave
Freewill exists within your personal bubble however with an omnicient "God" freewill is not really possible. If God already knows the beginning to end then he knows the outcome and how you will choose. It only appears to be freewill to us because we lack the ability to see the future. Every decision appears to be freewill however it's not, God already knows the outcome, there was only one choice you could make anyway.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by favouriteslave
Freewill exists within your personal bubble however with an omnicient "God" freewill is not really possible. If God already knows the beginning to end then he knows the outcome and how you will choose. It only appears to be freewill to us because we lack the ability to see the future. Every decision appears to be freewill however it's not, God already knows the outcome, there was only one choice you could make anyway.
Foreknowledge is not causal, which is what you're implying.
You have free will, God's omniscience simply is him knowing what decision you will make, but it is still your decision to make. To lack free will, God's knowledge would have to cause your decision, which is not the case.
Originally posted by spy66
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by favouriteslave
Freewill exists within your personal bubble however with an omnicient "God" freewill is not really possible. If God already knows the beginning to end then he knows the outcome and how you will choose. It only appears to be freewill to us because we lack the ability to see the future. Every decision appears to be freewill however it's not, God already knows the outcome, there was only one choice you could make anyway.
Foreknowledge is not causal, which is what you're implying.
You have free will, God's omniscience simply is him knowing what decision you will make, but it is still your decision to make. To lack free will, God's knowledge would have to cause your decision, which is not the case.
It sure is the case. God already knows every little detail taking place. It is mentioned in the Bible a few times.
Originally posted by Leuan
I am confused. Which is the correct day for the sabbath? Which day needs our rest?
Friday 6 pm- Sat 6 pm
Sunday 12 am- 6 pm
monday 12am- 6pm
Everyday 12am-12pm
Labor day
Originally posted by Leuan
I am confused. Which is the correct day for the sabbath? Which day needs our rest?
Friday 6 pm- Sat 6 pm
Sunday 12 am- 6 pm
monday 12am- 6pm
Everyday 12am-12pm
Labor day
Originally posted by punisher97
Romans 14:5-6
" One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God."
This is why it doesn't really matter what day a person celebrates as the Sabbath. Even though it was and still is Saturday, it doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by MrBigDave
Christians are not bound by the law and are not bound by the observance of the sabbath. The bible actually talks about the Holy Spirit being our "Rest"
Originally posted by Leuan
Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
reply to post by Leuan
I fail to get your meaning. Care to explain?
Not really but I'll humor you.
Yes the original sabbath is friday to saturday, however it's clear that we're not to follow the old testament laws, for various reasons that I'll leave out. This is no place to discuss it, as I have learned.
Alot of the teachings have been altered, here's an axhandle:
"Thou shall not kill"
Have you stepped outside lately? If so, you're a sinner according to the false interpreters of this commandment. Everytime you step on the grass, you kill. Are you going to hell for it?
Some people think so.
This whole sunday worship thing is an invention of scared people who don't want to give up power to the truth
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SkyLiner
Are we now to forget the only Commandment that begins with the word "Remember"..?
Are we now to fixate on the only Commandment which is not repeated in the New Testament?
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by SkyLiner
Unless you follow Judaic Sabbath Law in every aspect (not just the "it has to be on this 24 hour period",) then his warning has absolutely no bearing. So it is obviously intended for those Jews who follow the Law (the people who were listening to him,) not for Gentiles who do not.
If you travel to go to worship services at your SDA church, then you can travel in order to flee to the mountains.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by spy66
Sunday isn't the Jewish Sabbath.
You want to worship on the Jewish Sabbath, knock yourself out. You want to do it because it's the Jewish Sabbath, then you proclaim yourself under the Law, and you'll be judged by it. That's what the Bible says, and all the rules you'll want to brush up on are in there, as well.
"The 10 commandments of the old testament have nothing to do with Obeying the commandments of God.
Jesus gave two New commandments, which are LIKE the other 10:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul. And the second is like it, to love your neighbor as you love yourself."
Of course, in order to love God, you must also love your neighbor. But Jesus did not "keep" the Sabbath as you would put it, because HE IS the Sabbath. Or else why were people allowed to pick their food and eat with Him? Why were people told to pick up their bed and travel? Why were people made whole? Think man!
Remember what Jesus said? "Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."
We will not be respecting a 24 hour Sabbath in the New World. You have got to be kidding if you really think that!
As well, you should really inspect all of the other laws that the Seventh-day denominations want their followers to respect. The prophecies aren't even figured out properly! And how many times do the Seventh-day denominations get predictions and things wrong?