True, the religious crowd are no better but at least some of them, the less pragmatic, are looking seriously at how evolution and creation could fit together.

Originally posted by Shema
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I hear what you are saying colin42 and I'm coming to the realization that I should have put a lot more thought into this before writing the thread. I wanted to get a reaction going but this isn't the way to do it. Thanks for putting me right and making me see the light.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Shema

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Let's say you're a Christian. And so you believe not just in a Creator god, but in how the Creation is described in the Christian Bible.

Now there are various other religions. Within their holy books there are also descriptions of Creation.

What happens when they are in total conflict? As a Christian you oppose them because they conflict with your Bible, the Word of God.

Do you see the implication there? You're effectually an atheist yourself towards creationism of those opposing religions.

It shouldn't be that difficult to relate to the atheist when you're honest about your position towards conflicting religions.

Yes, in a way its a cauldron of ingredients that are never going to mix together so why entertain thoughts that they might if one stirs them enough times. For a moment there I did.... forgive me.

Originally posted by Shema

Well, the thread was written to inspire reaction - ahh, no not S&Fs, this is not a trolling exercise.
The atheists have gone on the defensive, not surprisingly, but hardly a peep from the opposite quarter.

FaceLift reacted like a child might; alfal was indignant, DDD felt a need to justify evolution, Lucid Lucy pointed out the contradictions in the thread according to her reading while halfoldman put creation down; BrokenCircles follows a similar vein to halfoldman; Spookycolt sees a fence we could maybe all sit on.

Ah well!. But not to despair. When the dust settles we might yet get some communication going. After all, we all live in hope regardless of where we come from.

Originally posted by jiggerj

the creationists have every right to celebrate God their creator without both sides mocking and slandering each other. Its a disgrace. Lets adopt the golden rule and show respect for each other and not succumb to discrimination and prejudice just because someone is different.

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So, when Islamic terrorists slam planes into buildings (killing thousands) we atheists are supposed to say, "Hey, it's okay, they're just expressing their beliefs in a god," ? I don't think so.

Now you will make a statement on how their beliefs are wrong and that this type of worship should be stopped. Well, many claim that you're beliefs are wrong and should be stopped.

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Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by Shema

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Originally posted by Shema

Well, the thread was written to inspire reaction - ahh, no not S&Fs, this is not a trolling exercise.
The atheists have gone on the defensive, not surprisingly, but hardly a peep from the opposite quarter.

FaceLift reacted like a child might; alfal was indignant, DDD felt a need to justify evolution, Lucid Lucy pointed out the contradictions in the thread according to her reading while halfoldman put creation down; BrokenCircles follows a similar vein to halfoldman; Spookycolt sees a fence we could maybe all sit on.

Ah well!. But not to despair. When the dust settles we might yet get some communication going. After all, we all live in hope regardless of where we come from.

I share veins with no one. I simply answered one of your questions. Obviously, since it was not the type of answer that you seek, you chose to ignore it, just as you have ignored most of the others who replied to you.

Due to your response(or lack thereof), the only logical conclusion is that your goal was not at all 'to inspire reaction', but rather to simply find those whom may agree with your opinion.

It is completely pointless to begin a topic for discussion, when you have no intentions of discussing it.


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I absolutely agree with you. Totally pointless.

The Atheist and The Ape


###The atheist has only evolution to believe in... and the evolutionist has only the ape to believe in.

The Gulf that divides the creationist from the atheist is so wide that the only logical conclusion is to accept that dedicated atheists do indeed evolve from primates and that dedicated creationists are indeed created by God.

This is not as silly as it sounds. Why would an atheist feel so in tune with the primates unless they are actually related?

And why would a creationist feel so close to God unless they are of God?

It is not a matter of one being right and the other being wrong. Let us agree to agree and put a stop to all the bickering once and for all.

The evolutionists have every right to pursue their ancestral links just as the creationists have every right to celebrate God their creator without both sides mocking and slandering each other.

Its a disgrace. Lets adopt the golden rule and show respect for each other and not succumb to discrimination and prejudice just because someone is different.

Comments?

If a person believes in evolution, and that apes are their ancestors, and therefore can assume that the rest of the evolutionary timescale applies, that would mean the person has no eternal soul.