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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Just because you have never seen a tree free American


I'm not sure what a "Tree Free American is, but like the rest of your argument it has been ruled moot time and time again

And time and time again, people that listen to people like you end up in jail

Your wrong

It is as simple as that




posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 12:18 PM
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No they don't.
My street was plowed several times throughout the storm.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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This isn't about imposing martial law just cause, or HAARP wrecking havoc, or any other conspiracy. Think it through for a second. These storms cause billions in economic damages. You think the fat cats or government likes that? You think EMS, police, fire, or anyone else in a position to help truly wants to go through this mess?

No.

This is a result of exactly what has been predicted for decades. A "tipping point" has been breached, and we're now in a state of unpredictable, non-linear responses as a result of anthropogenic climate change. It means the average event is bumped up a notch in intensity, and frequency. As we continue along this unsustainable path, higher notches will become the norm.

We must innovate our way out of this mess before the "economy" is the least of our worries.

Focus, people.

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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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This is because the State(or any US State) is too poor to underwrite life or property anymore and is afraid of being sued for any body slipping on a state road. The private insurance companies would go bankrupt if even a few people sued over a few inconveniences in the snow.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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Dunno. It may be totally legal. But it still rubs me the wrong way. I am fine with "urging" people to stay off the roads. But banning travel to me seems over the top. BTW I am in Mass. And it was a pretty big storm. But thanks anyway, I didn't need some government official to tell me to stay home. Did that all by myself. Besides everything was closed anyway so there is nowhere to go. Personally I think this is just more training for the sheeple. Letting us know they can tell us what we can and can't do anytime it suits there fancy. Hell when I was a kid, these types of storms were fairly common. And there was no state of emergency declared then. And nearly all vehicles were rear wheel drive but somehow we all muddled through without the nanny state stepping in. Today most vehicles are front wheel drive or four wheel drive and have little trouble navigating in snow. Just my 2 cents...



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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this is what we drive in up here, often. They rarely shut the roads down, except in the mountain passes, or if there's an accident they need to get too. Or if there are dozens of people in the ditch already.



There are times when it would be nice if they closed off roads, but they rarely do.
This is normal for northern Alberta, this time of the year.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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So if someone resisted being taken on that "ride", would you support using deadly force to "contain" them?


You do have a point there. But again, I noticed the temp was pretty low in some of the affected areas, and frostbite can set in pretty fast in some conditions. I remember seeing a program last year set in Montana, there was a homeless guy, and was sleeping on the road somewhere. The cops found him and made him get in their car and they took him to a shelter. There was snow on the ground but no blizzard conditions.

I just don't think that this kind of scenario really qualifies the same as something like oh civil unrest over food rationing or the like. But I do recognize that gun confiscation during Katrina was pretty much of a 2nd Amendment violation. You are right, there's a slippery slope here.
I don't support NDAA or PATRIOT ACT or any of these TIA type invasions of privacy or gun control. I was quite concerned when I read that armed Mexican troops had entered the US and were "helping" with the katrina effort. That just sounded so wrong to me. Maybe that is part of the pact of NAU that Bush signed with Fox and the Canadian PM. why did we need armed Mexicans instead of our own military? Even just on an ordinary level, the idea of letting armed Mexican troops come to "help" us seems patently absurd. But of course they were just being nice since we let their nationals sneak over illegally and take jobs here.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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This is a result of exactly what has been predicted for decades. A "tipping point" has been breached, and we're now in a state of unpredictable, non-linear responses as a result of anthropogenic climate change


No, it is not. It is completely natural. The climate changes are mostly from the sun cycles. Did you ever see "Anne of Green Gables"? In one scene, a neighbor becomes very ill with influenza or something and Anne is at the house there, and the doctor cannot get to the house because of the snow on the ground. We are talking 1800's here. So yes, there have been times when huge storms have stopped people from traveling. I'm guessing the snow on those country roads was too deep for the horses.
I knew it was only time before someone blamed the snowstorm on humans though.
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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This is a result of exactly what has been predicted for decades. A "tipping point" has been breached, and we're now in a state of unpredictable, non-linear responses as a result of anthropogenic climate change


No, it is not. It is completely natural. The climate changes are mostly from the sun cycles.


I challenge you to provide reliable evidence which backs up this claim.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by nomnom
I challenge you to provide reliable evidence which backs up this claim.


I agree Third should provide the evidence to that claim but you too should provide the same...reliable, scientific evidence that points to your claims.
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by nomnom

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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This is a result of exactly what has been predicted for decades. A "tipping point" has been breached, and we're now in a state of unpredictable, non-linear responses as a result of anthropogenic climate change


No, it is not. It is completely natural. The climate changes are mostly from the sun cycles.


I challenge you to provide reliable evidence which backs up this claim.


This is not really the thread to do it in. Are we really going to go here? There is no consensus that global warming aka climate change is largely athropogenic. I'm sorry snowstorms are not because of manufacturing and fireplaces and cows.

But I will humor you a bit

www.dailytech.com...
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:34 PM
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Yes, there is. It's called the scientific community, and they have clearly established that the majority of exacerbations to climate fluctuations are related to anthropogenic forces.

Make the thread. I await it.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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Why would anyone have to provide evidence of consensus that is so well known?
This snowstorm is just a snowstorm anyway and it may or may not be related to climate change. Our lack of snow in this area is probably related to climate change here though. More than just CO2 levels are involved in climate change, overall disrespect for the Ecosystem is the main culprit.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by nomnom
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Yes, there is. It's called the scientific community, and they have clearly established that the majority of exacerbations to climate fluctuations are related to anthropogenic forces.

Make the thread. I await it.


You are wrong. The scientific community does NOT have a consensus. That was manufactured by the UN IPCC. How surprising....since Climate Change is one of the UN's pet ways to control our lives. Sustainable Development and all. You might check in to Agenda 21 to find out how wrong you are. By the way, Elites like Al Gore and Bill Gates are in the Club of Rome which is a big part of it.

climatedepot.com... ic-that-US-would-just-have-to-sign-Kyoto-Protocol

You make the thread. I just challenged your claim that this big snowstorm is anthropogenic.
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
Why would anyone have to provide evidence of consensus that is so well known?
This snowstorm is just a snowstorm anyway and it may or may not be related to climate change. Our lack of snow in this area is probably related to climate change here though. More than just CO2 levels are involved in climate change, overall disrespect for the Ecosystem is the main culprit.


The media also manufactured it, just like they have manufactured Barry's popularity.

Overall disrespect for the ecosystem is not causing warming or cooling of global temperatures. But glad you just argued against your own point by stating that the snowstorn is just a snowstorm.
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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The media seems to blow up everything now adays. We have to start treating our environment better though, that means not buying things you really don't need and turning down your thermostat a bit and putting on a sweater.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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I'm unable to PM you so will leave this thread letting you know that I will require some time to make this thread.

It would seem best to quit side-tracking this thread.

Pretty sure nothing I have said is "wrong". The best you can say is it's "incorrect", and that has yet to be proven.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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The media seems to blow up everything now adays. We have to start treating our environment better though, that means not buying things you really don't need and turning down your thermostat a bit and putting on a sweater.


well, you are really buying into the whole Clinton/Carteresque scarcity thing here. What determines what you don't need? Will the State determine that? The whole cow farts thing is patently ridiculous. I am not saying we shouldn't recycle but the Smart Meters that are being installed apparently will have the power to turn your heat off when the State decides you've used too much electricity. I don't understand why people would ever be on board with that hocus pocus. This is eco fascism at it's worst.
Yes, I do wear sweaters and socks very definitely. Will I feel guilty for turning on the gas fireplace? No.
Note, the Elites have no problem rationing our electricity but will not stop the endless wars, Obama included. It is a hypocrisy of the worst magnitude.
If Al Gore even believed his own hocus pocus he would limit his own growth instead of demanding we limit ourselves. He built a mansion right on the ocean even in the midst of scaring every child in the country over global warming. Then he sold his business to Al Jazeera. The ultimate hypocrisy. Why are you still buying into it?
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Having worked both for the airlines and in hospitals, in a city with causeways, which is frequently hit by hurricanes resulting in road closures, this is how it should work:

You have emergency “mandatory”, “essential”, and “nonessential” workers.

Emergency “mandatory” personnel are folks like; Hospital workers, utility company personnel, county workers, and prison guards. These folks will usually have a ID card with a “blurb” written on the back which states that the police are to allow the person to cross any roadblocks in the case of an emergency. When handed to an officer, they should either allow you to cross, escort you across, or (if its completely uncrossable) get on their radio to other officers and find you a safe location to proceed through. Once the person gets to work, they are normally stuck there until the emergency passes, and given food and a place to sleep while not on shift. Of course you will most likely be busting tail for 16 hour shifts the whole time, but you are paid overtime.

Most cops aren't stupid, and they know that if they encounter that card they are in proximity of the location that the person is required at. For example, they know that if they were to block hospital personnel, then get hurt themselves, that there would be no one there to take care of them or their friends/family in case of an accident. Usually they will bend over backwards to help get you to where you should be.

“Essential” people are folks like; certain guards or maintenance people, airport ramp workers, etc...
They normally work in places that, although the facility is shut down, they are required to still provide security and protection of essential equipment.

In those jobs, normally the person has already agreed to an “emergency draft” when first employed. The company will go through the “call list” and either get “volunteers” or “mandatory draft” folks to come in prior to the “event”. Again, those folks are stuck there, working 16 hour shifts, have to be fed and provided a place to sleep for 8 hours a day, until the emergency passes. Normally, there are no shortage of folks who volunteer for these shifts due to high pay, and to be honest usually they are sort of fun shifts with little actual work.

Everyone else (nonessential) should be sent home prior to any closures.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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It must be nice to live in your own little world...






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