Dereliction of Duty: Obama Did Nothing to Save American Lives in Benghazi--and Lied About It

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And this is why I don't post about political crap on ATS anymore. This site has become little more than a right-wing talk board. God-forbid I have a different opinion. I must work for the DNC, I must be an evil Soros minion.

Don't make me laugh.

Back to lurking.

Originally posted by antonia
www.foxnews.com...

From your much loved Fox News.

On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

First things first, so you think Stevens was doing this on his own? You said this was why he
was made Ambassador. Or rather, was he involved in a CIA operation, that Hillary was aware of
also as Sec of State, and ultimately Obama also, in fact they were directing Stevens.

By the way....Its Faux News

Rand Paul has been questioning Billary about the weapons running since she crept out of hiding....

Obama signed an intelligence finding in early 2012 authorizing U.S. support for the Syrian rebels. And according to the New York Times, CIA operatives were on the Turkish-Syrian border this summer helping to steer weapons deliveries to selected Syrian rebel groups, most of them “hard-line Islamic jihadists.”
www.reuters.com...

www.thejc.com...

www.nytimes.com...

There is evidence to suggest that the IHH has been involved in gun-running from Libya to Syria on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood. According to the Jewish Chronicle Online, Free Syrian Army commanders have indeed told The Times that "a boat containing weapons," (the Al-Entisar?) that docked in Syria the week of September 14, 2012, was "registered to members of the IHH."

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by works4dhs

 

And this is why I don't post about political crap on ATS anymore. This site has become little more than a right-wing talk board. God-forbid I have a different opinion. I must work for the DNC, I must be an evil Soros minion.

Don't make me laugh.

Back to lurking.

I here you .This is the third time in the past 13 months I've logged in...I lurk/read.ATS is becoming another RightWing tantrum pit I.E Monotonous ramblings with no proof,or logic..

I call trolling. Look at all these posts that have nothing to do with Obama's inactions, the topic of the thread.
Four Amercans are dead and I see a bunch of 'whatever let's move on'.
Darn shame too many Americans won't try to look into the muddied waters.
WE HAD ASSETS NINETY MINUTES AWAY THAT WERE NEVER TOLD TO GO HELP. Don't you guys have any interest in knowing why? and who made the (non-) decision?

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by works4dhs

 

And this is why I don't post about political crap on ATS anymore. This site has become little more than a right-wing talk board. God-forbid I have a different opinion. I must work for the DNC, I must be an evil Soros minion.

Don't make me laugh.

Back to lurking.

Sorry you feel that way. I enjoy hearing differing opinions. Hell, sometimes I'm even wrong about something and learn a thing or two.

You should be able to post your opinion without being called names or generalised into one group or other. Again, sorry that happened to you.

But, I fail to see how your generalisation about this being some right wing circle jerk does justice to my posts/thoughts. I find it just as frustrating to be lumped in with some group or other and/or to be written off as some right-wing shill for posting my opinions. And at least you did it nicely. A few others weren't as kind. It's hard to not get defensive or frustrated but I hope we're mature enough to discuss our different opinions civilly and ignore those who - for whatever reason - would derail the discussion.

Originally posted by works4dhs
I call trolling. Look at all these posts that have nothing to do with Obama's inactions, the topic of the thread.
Four Amercans are dead and I see a bunch of 'whatever let's move on'.
Darn shame too many Americans won't try to look into the muddied waters.
WE HAD ASSETS NINETY MINUTES AWAY THAT WERE NEVER TOLD TO GO HELP. Don't you guys have any interest in knowing why? and who made the (non-) decision?

edit on 8-2-2013 by works4dhs because: (no reason given)

I hope you're wrong but fear you're correct...

And... Don't confuse the issue with facts!! You'll only be called a right-wing nut and accused of -GASP- watching Fox...

Ok. I'm getting snarky. Time for my nightcap and then off to bed...

Originally posted by xedocodex

Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by luciddream

 

Yeah, the death of four Americans, one an Ambassador, is really something to troll about.

That was so funny. /S

What else left is there to do with rabid anti-Obama people?

"the lie" in the OP isn't a lie to anyone except those inside the Right Wing bubble who listen to Fox News, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck. Panetta was asked what ACTIONS they took against the attacks...he said "none"...because they didn't...it was a quick attack, done and over. The CIA responded and that was that...attack over...end of story. Obama siad they are going to do things to INVESTIGATE the attack...and the OP tries to say that is an ACTION against the attacks.

It's Right Wing lunacy plain and simple...there is nothing left to do except make fun of their idiocy.

Speaking of lies, there was nothing quick about the Benghazi attack. It lasted between 5 to 8 hours, depending on what report you read. There was at least 1 drone filming the attack but probably 2. The 2 ex USN SEALs/CIA agents disobeyed stand down orders and went to the fight at the consulate & later brought the fight to their annex/CIA building. Because of them this was no quick attack. They fought long & hard, bravely, all the while requesting back up, painting targets, only to be left out in the cold.

Obama knew of these attacks as did everyone else in the know in Washington DC. It was literally filmed live via the drone on their high side intranet, JWICS.

More fun facts:

- The consulate was attacked at least twice during the summer leaving huge gaping holes in the consulate walls.
- The terrorists stalk Stevens, following & taking pictures of him during his morning jogs.
- The terrorists threatened Stevens & the consulate via their Facebook page, even declaring an attack on September 11. You know, being a special terrorist day N all.
- The consulate requested security but was denied.

There's more fun facts but I'm tired & going to bed.

Originally posted by Jaellma
reply to post by jibeho

 

Enough!

If your goal is to expose the supposed lies Obama said and educate others, then yeah, this is a good bedtime story.

If your goal is to try exposing him and have him ousted, you will have better luck flying through the sun without getting burned.

We are all free to say certain things on ATS but in this case, I gotta tell ya, buddy, give it up!

Ummm.....This is interesting.......THREATS...right here on ATS. Take a good look at this wonderful little post, in all it's glaring detail. Jail-mom is threatening the OP. This is typical brute behavior, evinced by cultists the whole world round. This poor individual is exibiting classic cult indoctrination syndrome...and should be quietly led away somewhere soft and safe....for an intervention.

I made the statement in another thread today that if little barry soetoro were the hooded executioner and the indoctrinated's neck were in the guillotine they would still sing his praises as their head thumped into the catch basket............so true............so very true.

The chrystal ball says...Little barry soetoro will be impeached in the house and then convicted in the senate. Then he will be escorted out of the senate in chains for his crimes and Benghazigate will only be one set of charges....I can hardly wait...it's going to be another popcorn moment.

The thought that comes to mind is....none so blind as those that will not see... It makes me wonder what vile, twisted, energy controls the mind of the syccophant...There's something there that I can't seem to detect, some queasy pheromone that they sup that contorts reason and sense. Glad, I am...that common sense has seen fit to filter it from the air that I breathe.

More to point...I always felt that Benghazigate would unravel this administration, it looks like we could be in for a little forced transparancy........ahhhh...popcorn anyone?

YouSir

It is all coming out, I am enjoying it. Since obama has nothing to lose he is showing his true colors of which the media will not be able to hide for much longer. Benghazi, Drones, Obamacare, MiddleClass Tax Cuts...I am sure there is more I am not thinking of. But people are starting to see the truth, Obamacare is gonna cost EVERYONE, though some still think its free. No tax cuts on the middleclass....well we are paying more! Benghazi, the man wasnt even around and if I remember correctly his administration said he was in contact all night long. Isnt that treason? Oh and just wait till Drones are flying over peoples heads. I have exhaustively warned people about what was coming....they were non-believers...so now I LAUGH!

reply to post by jibeho

ok, so here's the part i can't seem to comprehend ... in this day and age of 50,000 tweets per second ... how did 90 minutes (5400 seconds) pass by and NO member of 'authority' was aware our American assets overseas were being attacked ??

how is that even remotely possible ?
does anyone actually believe this BS ???

as for Obama, the Nobel man of peace ? ... what an embarrassment
try not to forget, the man issued his first drone strike 48 hrs after his inauguration in 09.

i sure hope enough of the American people awaken from their slumber before discovering Obama's boot is firmly planted on their neck

reply to post by xedocodex

All Americans were secure and evacuated 3 hours after the attack began.

I don't think you have a clear understanding of what happened...please go look at the timeline.

are you serious ??
would that be the 'official' timeline ??
just in case ...

you might want to review these ... source 1

The Secretary of Defense, in his most determined way, continues to try to protect the President from the fiasco in Benghazi. So desperate to shield the President he announced what will be forever remembered as the Penetta Doctrine:

“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

Of course, in the circles that I ran with, it will be forever labeled “The Dumbest # I Ever Heard Doctrine”.
- snip -

Let’s review the real-time facts that we know so far. The entire event was being streamed live to the State Department[/red] and, in all likelihood, the White House situation room. That’s pretty “real-time” if you ask me, but it gets worse. Not only were we watching the entire damn thing on expensive televisions; we had at least two highly trained special operators on the ground in direct communication!
- snip -

In any case, this was not a military consideration made by Penetta or any Generals, it was purely political.

And that pisses me off.

meeeee too

as for your timeline ... how does it hold up next to this one from the Libyan guards who participated ?
source 2

More than a month after the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, U.S. officials have yet to talk to many of the Libyan guards on duty at the American mission on that fatal evening. Fearful of reprisal from the still unknown perpetrators of the attack, the guards have gone into hiding; and their vivid recollections are giving way to a sense of abandonment by the American government, which offered them no protection from the attackers the guards believe want them dead.

so, can you tell me how, in this day of split second messaging, with a live feed, drone coverage and ground communications, our CIC/Obama was un-informed for 90 minutes ??

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
executives delegate

that's the job

propaganda shills spin it into acts of treason

that's the job

Commanders command,
that's the job ...
clearly, Obama isn't a Commander or a qualified CIC

btw, one has to be aware of the task at hand in order to delegate.
as for treason ... if the shoe fits, he should wear it.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by madenusa
President Obama refused to take any action to retrieve or destroy a high-tech American drone that went down over Iranian airspace.

So exactly what did you want him to do? Bomb Iran, or invade Iran and take it back....

soooo, you're saying bombing is the only answer ?? interesting.

are you then suggesting these million $$ pieces of equipment aren't built with a fail-safe, like a self-destruct mechanism ????
surely you jest

It is an insult to eveyr American to call that Illegal alien, Commander in chief. He does not even deserve the title of American toilet bowl cleaner.What duty would an impostor and illegal alien have to perform? How can we hold him accountable when he does not even belong in office? Of coarse he lies, he is a lawyer, that is how they make their living!

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Did you even listen to Panetta?

He even said he spoke to him once on one quick phone call when the attack began and that was it......nothing....Obama didnt care to check back? To offer anything?

They had a drone watching the whole thing and Obama never looked or took control.


Please, you are lost.

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I now understand your "confusion". Otherwise known as being obtuse.


Official Pentagon timeline.

September 11 (Events are listed using the time in Benghazi)
9:42 p.m. -- Armed men begin their assault on the U.S. Consulate.
9:59 p.m. -- A surveillance drone is directed to fly over the U.S. compound, but it is unarmed.
10:32 p.m. -- The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."
11 p.m. -- Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.
11:10 p.m. -- The surveillance drone arrives over the Benghazi facility.
11:30 p.m. -- All surviving U.S. personnel are evacuated from the consulate. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and State Department computer expert Sean Smith were killed in the initial assault.
September 12 Midnight to 2 a.m. -- Panetta and other senior leaders discuss possible options for further violence if it were to break out. Panetta gives verbal orders for Marine anti-terrorist teams from Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Tripoli and Benghazi. Panetta also orders a special operations force team training in Croatia and an additional special operations force team in the United States to prepare to deploy to a staging base in southern Italy.
1:30 a.m. -- A six-man security team from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives in Benghazi.
2:39 a.m. to 2:53 a.m. -- The National Military Command Center gives formal authorization for the deployment of the two special operations force teams from Croatia and the United States.
5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.
6:05 a.m. -- A C-17 aircraft in Germany is told to prepare to deploy to Libya to evacuate the consulate personnel. 7:40 a.m. -- The first wave of Americans are evacuated to Tripoli via airplane.
10 a.m. -- A second group, including those killed in the attack, are flown to Tripoli.
2:15 p.m. -- The C-17 departs from Germany for the flight to Tripoli.
7:17 p.m. -- The C-17 leaves Tripoli with the American consulate personnel and the bodies of Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty.
7:57 p.m. -- The U.S. special operations force team based in Croatia arrives at a staging base in Italy.
8:56 p.m. -- One of the Marine anti-terrorist teams from Spain arrives in Tripoli.
9:28 p.m. -- The U.S.-based special operations force team arrives at its staging base in Italy. CNN's Jill Dougherty and Mike Mount contributed to this report.

www.cnn.com...

I used CNN so as not to offend anyone.

See the actual attack lasted ALL night.

But Obama supporters are only counting the initial attack when the ambassador was killed.

They are not counting the other two murders the next morning.

And the actual evac did not take place until 7:40 the next morning, when they actually left Benghazi....they are being really tricky!!

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Much like Obama in a Chicago Bath House. Classic Bathhouse Barry moment.

At least we now know he was telling the truth about shooting skeet all the time.

Originally posted by Bilk22
The guys is a lazy boob.

That about sums it up nicely.

Originally posted by antonia
You guys want to keep making it about some Obama gotcha game. .

No. We want to make it about the four Americans who were left to die in the field
when they shouldn't have been in harms way to begin with.

Originally posted by antonia
The media? Of please. Obama isn't their boy.

OMG that was funny!

Originally posted by greydaze
ATS is becoming another RightWing tantrum pit I.E Monotonous ramblings with no proof,or logic..

Guess you werent' around for the BUSH years, eh? :shk: ATS isn't a right wing tantrum pit. Not even close. People here nail everyone in government who screws up. It just so happens that the left is in office right now so they are getting nailed. Bush 43 got hit hard .. and if Christie gets in he'll get nailed to the wall when he acts like a boob.

As for 'proof or logic' ... it's all right there .... 4 Americans left to die in the field and Obama not bothering to go to security briefings and then trying to cover up his incompetence by lieing about a stupid internet video.

Originally posted by Honor93
[in this day and age of 50,000 tweets per second ... how did 90 minutes (5400 seconds) pass by and NO member of 'authority' was aware our American assets overseas were being attacked ??

People in the on-line gaming community practically knew it as it happened. One of the people who died over there was a moderator at a gaming site. He had posted that he didn't know if he'd live through the night because the 'guards' were taking pictures and acting odd. CNN

reply to post by jibeho


the president should have been there personally with his sub-machine gun too, huh

also presidents are not the ones calling all the shots.


LOL