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Originally posted by Jaellma
reply to post by jibeho
Enough!
If your goal is to expose the supposed lies Obama said and educate others, then yeah, this is a good bedtime story.
If your goal is to try exposing him and have him ousted, you will have better luck flying through the sun without getting burned.
We are all free to say certain things on ATS but in this case, I gotta tell ya, buddy, give it up!
Originally posted by xedocodex
Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by luciddream
Yeah, the death of four Americans, one an Ambassador, is really something to troll about.
That was so funny. /S
What else left is there to do with rabid anti-Obama people?
"the lie" in the OP isn't a lie to anyone except those inside the Right Wing bubble who listen to Fox News, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck. Panetta was asked what ACTIONS they took against the attacks...he said "none"...because they didn't...it was a quick attack, done and over. The CIA responded and that was that...attack over...end of story. Obama siad they are going to do things to INVESTIGATE the attack...and the OP tries to say that is an ACTION against the attacks.
It's Right Wing lunacy plain and simple...there is nothing left to do except make fun of their idiocy.
Sept. 11: The Attack 2:30 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time (8:30 p.m. Benghazi time): U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens steps outside the consulate to say goodbye to a Turkish diplomat. There are no protesters at this time. (“Everything is calm at 8:30,” a State Department official would later say at an Oct. 9 background briefing for reporters. “There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside.”) 3 p.m.: Ambassador Stevens retires to his bedroom for the evening. (See Oct. 9 briefing.) Approximately 3:40 p.m. A security agent at the Benghazi compound hears “loud noises” coming from the front gate and “gunfire and an explosion.” A senior State Department official at the Oct. 9 briefing says that “the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people – a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound.” About 4 p.m.: This is the approximate time of attack that was given to reporters at a Sept. 12 State Department background briefing. An administration official identified only as “senior administration official one” provides an official timeline of events at the consulate, but only from the time of the attack — not prior to the attack. The official says, “The compound where our office is in Benghazi began taking fire from unidentified Libyan extremists.” (Six of the next seven entries in this timeline — through 8:30 p.m. EDT — all come from the Sept. 12 briefing. The exception being the 6:07 p.m. entry, which comes from Reuters.) About 4:15 p.m.: “The attackers gained access to the compound and began firing into the main building, setting it on fire. The Libyan guard force and our mission security personnel responded. At that time, there were three people inside the building: Ambassador Stevens, one of our regional security officers, and Information Management Officer Sean Smith.” Between 4:15 p.m.-4:45 p.m.: Sean Smith is found dead. About 4:45 p.m.: “U.S. security personnel assigned to the mission annex tried to regain the main building, but that group also took heavy fire and had to return to the mission annex.” About 5:20 p.m.: “U.S. and Libyan security personnel … regain the main building and they were able to secure it.” Around 6 p.m.: “The mission annex then came under fire itself at around 6 o’clock in the evening our time, and that continued for about two hours. It was during that time that two additional U.S. personnel were killed and two more were wounded during that ongoing attack.” 6:07 p.m.: The State Department’s Operations Center sends an email to the White House, Pentagon, FBI and other government agencies that said Ansar al-Sharia has claimed credit for the attack on its Facebook and Twitter accounts. (The existence of the email was not disclosed until Reuters reported it on Oct. 24.) About 8:30 p.m.: “Libyan security forces were able to assist us in regaining control of the situation. At some point in all of this – and frankly, we do not know when – we believe that Ambassador Stevens got out of the building and was taken to a hospital in Benghazi. We do not have any information what his condition was at that time. His body was later returned to U.S. personnel at the Benghazi airport.” About 10:00 p.m.: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issues a statement confirming that one State official was killed in an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. Her statement, which MSNBC posted at 10:32 p.m., made reference to the anti-Muslim video.
Originally posted by 35Foxtrot
Maybe he's just incompetent... Or maybe he IS truly evil - I doubt it, but who really knows, right? Whichever, this type of (in)action is not what I expect of a president.
Originally posted by xedocodex
reply to post by timetothink
Try 3 hours from start to finish...the last entry on the timeline is when Libyan forces regained control...but the response teams had already regained control of their buildings.
So...please tell me...what would you have liked Obama to do in response? Bomb something with Americans on the ground? Please don't say send in troops...do you honestly think that could happen in 3 hours?
BUT. I think you're missing my point. 3 hours or 24... Obama wouldn't have known cuz he couldn't be bothered to check in on the situation. That is NOT what I expect of my CiC.
Originally posted by 35Foxtrot
reply to post by xedocodex
I expect him to be IN the loop. In the situation room or linked in. I expect him to be present to take advantage of ANY opportunity that may present itself.
He wasn't. He didn't. He couldn't.
Maybe in this case (MAYBE!) there truly was nothing anyone could have done. While I am not personally convinced of that fact at this point, maybe it's true... But his behavior is (again) not what I expect of my CiC. His behavior precluded his taking any action in this (and I suspect this type of behavior isn't some kind of outlier for him) instance. Again, not my idea of a good commander.
Originally posted by 35Foxtrot
reply to post by xedocodex
I've explained what I expect a good commander to do. Maybe you missed it while turning to FoxNews. And I resent you insinuating I don't know what to think and parrot fox. I do know what I would have done. I'd have BEEN F'ing THERE to take advantage of ANY opportunity. You're missing the point that goes beyond this one issue... I've already allowed that maybe there truly was nothing to be done... BUT OBAMA WOULDN'T, COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT. He never even checked in. Therein lies my problem.
Now please, continue to tell me what I know and how I know it.
Originally posted by xedocodex
In the 3 hour period that the attack was going on...what did Obama not do to your satisfaction?
You seem to be avoiding this question alot.
Originally posted by xedocodex
Originally posted by 35Foxtrot
reply to post by xedocodex
I've explained what I expect a good commander to do. Maybe you missed it while turning to FoxNews. And I resent you insinuating I don't know what to think and parrot fox. I do know what I would have done. I'd have BEEN F'ing THERE to take advantage of ANY opportunity. You're missing the point that goes beyond this one issue... I've already allowed that maybe there truly was nothing to be done... BUT OBAMA WOULDN'T, COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT. He never even checked in. Therein lies my problem.
Now please, continue to tell me what I know and how I know it.
What opportunity did Obama not take advantage of?
In the 3 hour period that the attack was going on...what did Obama not do to your satisfaction?
You seem to be avoiding this question alot.
Originally posted by Jaellma
If your goal is to try exposing him and have him ousted, you will have better luck flying through the sun without getting burned.
Originally posted by xedocodex
Tell me, what could Obama have done to stop the attack?
Christ on a stick! Did you not read my post. HE WASN'T THERE TO KNOW WHETHER HE COULD OR COULD NOT DO ANYTHING.
If he had bothered to go to the security briefings he might have known what the situation there was and not had the people put in harms way to begin with. He blew off his security briefings .. but found plenty of time to go golfing.
Originally posted by xedocodex
What do you mean he wasn't there?
Obama did all he could..
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by xedocodex
What do you mean he wasn't there?
He wasn't there. He didn't go to security briefings. He didn't know what the world situation was. He didn't know what the benghazi situation was. If he did .. he might not even have had people there in harms way. The dude was too busy out golfing to find time to get security briefings. he's pathetic.
Obama did all he could..
If this is the best he can do .. then he's an incompetent boob.