Originally posted by overseer1136
Well Sir, First let me say that it’s nice to meet you. I appreciate your input 100%.
1. Firm, Fair, and Positive leadership works in a unit environment but not so much on the street.
It does and in places much more dangerous than a US street. I am not talking about dealing with another Soldier as an Officer I am talking about
dealing with a civilian down range in harm’s way. i.e. A woman whose house has just been obliterated by an Apache and her husband killed because
the Taliban fighters chose to take refuge there.
Perhaps a man whose only earthly possessions (a herd of 5 milk goats) has lost them to errant fire from either the insurgents or US forces (to him it
doesn't matter much which) and most certainly the Taliban isn't going to be the one's offering some form of compensation. In this case we paid
like $1000.00 for five skinny ass milk goats. They were later determined (by the medic) to have been killed by AK rounds so not even ours. Not that
he autopsied them we just removed them and butchered them for the grill at the compound.
Walking into a village that has just been strafed by an AH64 because Taliban fighters holed up in their grain storage area.
All of these are true stories that I faced as an SF Team leader in Afghanistan.
These people are pissed, their lives are in ruins and sometimes it was done by our forces, not always but sometimes. Yet my mission is to make things
right to enforce the peace and to keep the situation from creating yet more insurgents.
How did I do it. Well I can assure you I didn't go in and start asserting my authority on people who were already in distress.
Trust me there was a man with an AK behind almost every window when we went in there. When the Elder got in my face screaming about his losses and
waving a handgun around I could have face planted him and proceeded to go house to house guns in everyone’s faces taking every man between 14 and 60
and zip cuffing, hooding them and sitting them on the street, taking all their firearms (what they have to protect themselves from the Taliban) and
ultimately their self respect and dignity.
After all I was in charge of the province. I was the only law really who is to stop me?
It would have been a lot safer for my team for sure - but I would have failed at my mission which was to mitigate tension not escalate it.
I'd go in calmly with an overwatch element ask to speak with the Elder, apologize (even while he was yelling and sometimes crying) even when it was
not our fault - then try and explain the problem.
Explain that the Taliban were the problem and how they should call me when they show up and start making demands and wanting shelter. Then I'd offer
him 10 times what the losses were worth in money and have my medic treat the wounded, give them medicine make arrangements to come back with a Doctor
for surgery if necessary, pass out some food and radios and shoes and clothes and blankets...etc.
After that he'd usually tell me where a local cell was hidden or where they had a cache if he felt I could do as I promised and protect them. I'd
earn their trust after about three visits. They’d give me some names and descriptions of insurgents perhaps, sometimes we'd find out it was a
petty land grievance or revenge thing sometimes not. This is why I didn’t act on any of the crap with posturing and “showing my authority”
going in guns blazing.
One must deal firmly and fairly with people who are in distress and feel they have been wronged - not shove them around till they accept your
I guarantee you me and my team were in more danger than the stupid LEO was in an apartment complex in America. We were ready to act but only if
absolutely necessary. Not preemptively.
If that cop is so afraid that he feels he must preemptively act with violence to heated words for fear he won't maintain the upper hand he needs to
find another line of work.
He was being a bully plain and simple...
Originally posted by overseer1136
2. As a SFO would you handle verbal abuse and insubordination with words or would you just call the MP's to come and take the soldier to the brig?
I'm guessing the MP's and the Brig. Do you think the MP's would use words or would they use physical force?
Actually, in SF it’s mostly first names, beards and a mix of civilian hats, uniforms and clothing. Without fail at times there is always yelling at
each other. I have had subordinates yell at me before – most times afterwards I’d realize I deserved it having made some kind of error or ass of
myself. Best to just let them vent sometimes they are yelling more about the system than at the person.
In 24 years I have never ever seen an MP called for insubordination in any unit - if it gets that far before someone walks away the NCO/Officer is
pretty much unfit for leadership.