Bullying Attack Leaves Boy in Coma - No Charges Filed

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
If parents raise their kids to be vicious animals....they should be held liable.

I'm pretty sure that the parents are financially liable for anything their minor children do wrong .. unless they can prove that their children are out of control and that they tried to get the authorities to step in with their children. I've seen people on TV say that they were afraid of their children and went to the police to try to get their children taken out and put in juvie or something, and were turned down. In that kind of case, the parents would have an 'out' for liable ... but otherwise I'm pretty sure the parents have to pay.

Although .. I don't know what the parents of the thugs would pay in this case. An 11 year old in a coma for two weeks (and still in one) ... what do you 'pay' for that? Insurance is probably paying the hospital bills. How do you 'pay' a parent who is going through that kind of pain ??

Wow~ This is very sad. For many reasons this sparks a lot of thoughts of how generational differences are showing face.

When I grew up. I could remember getting picked on. Then I went home and Mother said unless they physically assault you walk away, Dad had me in scouts and Karate and said if I pick on anyone when I got home he'd do worse. Then I remember more than a dozen seperate incidents where I lashed back and scared the crap out of the bully/bullies. This occured even when protecting friends getting picked on, and never once did I bully, and never once when I got home was I scolded for standing up for myself or protecting others who couldn't. Easy to stand up when you were taught how to defend yourself. I really feel for this boy. Nobody should have this happen to them.

I really feel like parents are not preparing there children. Even for a fight~ at the very least America realise the changes happening and help equip your kids. Either teach them to not engage when outnumbered and run like the wind, (Evasive Action). Or when challanged by an inferior opponent who won't back down and they touch you well like in Rocky against the Russian (I must Crush you) Sun tzu is also good for these types of tactics.

Fry me for knowing how to protect my own, my personal feelings are telling me more than ever that even when my infant reaches an age to where I can teach her how to Rigt Hook and break a nose.... Daddy will be busy now won't he?

Again my heart goes out to this family, if this was my daughter... Well I don't ever want to cross that bridge, so I won't state and I won't create.

I have a soon to be 5 year old and soon to be 2 year old. If this # happens to any of my kids I'll be kicking ass first and taking names later. I'll spend some time in jail to get my message across if I have to. I'll be sending the message that if you # with my family you're gonna suffer the consequences. I handle things differently when it affects me directly but messing with family is a no go and my switch will flip instantly.

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I don't know about making the parents pay, per se, but I do believe that if parents knew that they WOULD be held accountable (in some fashion) for their kids actions, you would have a lot more parents teaching their kids not to be so damned hateful.

As a parent of two boys, one of which is about to be in HS, I have dealt with bullies and the parents of other kids. Many times these parents are violent themselves and it acts as a teaching tool for the kids to become violent as well.

Originally posted by Turkenstein
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All the parents of those thugs should be the ones paying for all the victim's hospital bills. Hit them in the wallet and they will rein in those monsters pretty damn quick.

i do agree with the sentiment of having the parents pay, it seems like it would be a good idea and cause parents to deal with their kids. BUT what can a parent realistically do in these P.C. days?try to ban them from tv and x-box? it seems that that is the only way that is left to try to discipline kids anymore. can't "spank" them, that's considered physical abuse. can't even yell at them because that is mental abuse. in all honesty i'm almost surprised that you can still "ground" children from doing things they want these days as being detrimental to them.

even punishment by grounding the has some severe issues these days. how do you be sure your kids aren't doing what they are grounded from doing when chances are the parent isn't even there a good chunk of the time due to the necessity of having to work, especially those ONE parent families that has become much more common? having either the child at home alone or spending most of their time in school and before/after school care, with the parent(s) basically just seeing them enough to feed them super and put them to bed. rather hard to use "grounding" as a punishment when you aren't there to do anything.

a friend of mine who had an older child (old enough to be home on his own), was having issues with him and grounded him from using the computer. first she tried "locking down" the computer but he either cracked the passwords or hacked his way in. she tried taking the keyboard (the only real part of a desktop that she was able to easily take, especially in the days of CRT monitors), with her to work in order to enforce it. all the kid did was to either buy or borrow one from a friend and hid it before she got home. she even tried locking the door to the computer room but he just broke in. finally she had no choice but to give up on something that was punishing HER more than the kid. if someone is not there to insure that the punishment is followed, kids will just find ways around it.

so while in the "old days" holding a parent responsible could work, what real TOOLS does a parent of today have to discourage and correct bad behavior? as such HOW can you even think of holding a parent responsible for a child's behavior? how can you hold a parent responsible when they don't even get to spend the time they would like and is NEEDED to deal with behavior issues because they are stuck working a job instead of at home with their child?

when looked at i see problems like bullying, theft, gangs, shootings etc, are actually CAUSED and at the same time unable to be properly dealt with because of the direction our society is going. between the lack of the ability to effectively discipline children. as well as the lack of actual PARENT (not some institutional care) having the proper time to raise, discipline and properly care for their children. until these two very important issues are corrected i see no end to most of the issues that are becoming the norm. it will mean more people in jail, more people with mental issues, more death more destruction etc because of kids going out of control, just because they are not ABLE to be raised in a proper caring setting. due to rules and the fact that no one is even there to do it.

changing rules on discipline/abuse would not be all that hard. but what will it take for a family to be able to live on ONE INCOME so that ONE PARENT is there FOR their kids when they are not in school, and even worse how to be able to have one parent home when there is only the one parent, is much harder. especially today where a lot of jobs are not 9-3 (school hours) when a lot of companies go far beyond that having odd and extremely unstable scheduling that changes week to week based on what a "company needs" that can be anywhere from say 7 am to midnight and any day of the week (as my last job started doing more and more) pretty much at random. then add on to that the distance people now travel as their work is in one area yet AFFORDABLE housing is far enough away that even travel to and from work may take a couple hours each way, due to traffic, long distance and even the extreme length of time it takes if you are reliant on public transit to travel.

Originally posted by Ginga


I've never been convinced by the "blame the parents" mantra. I've seen kids from perfectly decent backgrounds go off the rails, and kids from the worst possible backgrounds turn out to be decent citizens. There's a whole lot more that goes into a kid's make up than what goes on at home.

The kids are around the age of 10 and 14 ( just assuming) They are in the parents care . And yes I have seen it time and time again how neglectful parenting and the problems that they cause .

Also what do you consider a decent back ground ?

Also seems to me you seem to be referring to adults where I am referring to pre teens .

I was a troubled kid it wasn't till later in my adult mid twenties that I finally started to learn about reason and ethic and RESPECT for other people and their property . Something that maybe if my parents taught me as a child and instilled some kind of morals instead of letting me run rampant to busy with their own life drama life might of turned out different for me .

As a child we are only good as to the things we are taught .
Making you assumption on people who you know who most likely put on some kinda of show when guest come over to make it appear they are productive parents . I do see that time and time again also . guess i just notice these behavioral traits

Amazing! A group beats a child into a coma (I know, medically induced, but is he not in a coma nonetheless?) and get's suspened for 2 days. A child draws a crayon picture of a gun and is expelled.

Methinks this liberal education system is failing us miserably!!!

Originally posted by sulaw
When I grew up. I could remember getting picked on. Then I went home and Mother said unless they physically assault you walk away...nobody should have this happen to them.

My brothers and I were at the top of the high school food chain for about four years running. We were the "big farm kids" among many, but we were sizey and rough, and while older bro Dan was the king of the school, all of us were up there in the social and physical maturity rankings.

I think I bullied a few grades for a couple of months. It was in junior high. I have to say, I can see why career bullies do it, I really can. That submission thing from people really strikes a chord. But then Dad found out about it, and my career as king of 8th through 10th grade ended. I tried to make it up to the guys I had pushed around, but I'm not sure they ever trusted me, not that they should have. No checks on your behavior, and you'll do some unsocial things.

My best friend is a retired Marine and I ask him to come and teach my children basic hand to hand combat defensive moves. I want my child to be able to get away from a group of Middle School Gang Bangers. Or be able to handle a person one on one no matter their size.

Originally posted by freedomSlave
As a child we are only good as to the things we are taught .

Nurture is only one component of our being. We are the product of nature and nurture.

As a child, my parents retired to a closed, rural area with little genetic diversity. I guess "inbreeding" is a more accurate term. I've witnessed children from good, close families that were hateful and perpetually violent. What was odd is that other children from the same family were quite "normal".

I think some people are simply born without the physical/chemical foundation for normal social development. When you combine people with poor genetics with TV, peer "education" and an entire society in decline -- it goes a long way toward explaining flash-mob assaults/theft and many other damaging behaviors.

Originally posted by Bedlam
I think I bullied a few grades for a couple of months. It was in junior high. I have to say, I can see why career bullies do it, I really can. That submission thing from people really strikes a chord. But then Dad found out about it, and my career as king of 8th through 10th grade ended. I tried to make it up to the guys I had pushed around, but I'm not sure they ever trusted me, not that they should have. No checks on your behavior, and you'll do some unsocial things.

The Standford Experiment, the rise of the National Socialists and other events have gone a long way toward shining the light on "unsocial" behaviors.

For a while I had gone to catholic school as a child. We would be given lectures on how to treat people if we so much as talked badly about someone. It was really frowned upon and the person causing trouble ended up feeling bad after. They were great speeches. LOL When I got into public school it ws like so chaotic and some kids would pull a knife just because they didn't like the color of someone's hair. Ya know?

All schools should impress good behavior and compassion for one another. They should be forced to watch movies about bullying and how seriously it effects lives. Start at the first grade and every grade thereafter.

At home also, don't ever stop impressing the importance of good behavior, of compassion for your fellow man.

Originally posted by Night Star
For a while I had gone to catholic school as a child. We would be given lectures on how to treat people if we so much as talked badly about someone. It was really frowned upon and the person causing trouble ended up feeling bad after. They were great speeches. LOL When I got into public school it ws like so chaotic and some kids would pull a knife just because they didn't like the color of someone's hair. Ya know?

All schools should impress good behavior and compassion for one another. They should be forced to watch movies about bullying and how seriously it effects lives. Start at the first grade and every grade thereafter.

At home also, don't ever stop impressing the importance of good behavior, of compassion for your fellow man.

very wise words Night Star

Parents need to be prosecuted for nurturing an infant into a weapon. Is there any other way to see this?

I know it isn't all parents' faults. Just 99.98% of them.

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Hi kozmo, Yes, a coma is a terrible thing....medically induced or otherwise. I totally feel for this family. I had a relative that was in a coma for 3 months and it was hell! Never knowing from day to day what to expect...what the final outcome would be. It is nightmarish for the family. I hope this boy recovers fully and that the family will have some kind of recourse and that the thugs finally get doled out harsh punishment. Even medically induced comas are costly but more so in emotions than the money aspect. Until the boy is allowed to wake and hopefully speak again, his prognosis will be a big question mark.

There was bullying back in the old days too but I don't remember it manifesting into actual physical attacks...though, words are like weapons, as the song goes, and they do hurt too. It's a shame that the state of the world and the human condition has come to this...where we have to train our kids in self defense arts but it seems necessary and I agree with the dads on here saying such and how they would react and feel if it hapened to their child. I truly understand. Thanx for listening.

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Hopefully that school is sued blind, and the kid or kids that ganged up on him spend their lives in juvenile, at least tll 18 years of age. If you get In a fight and accidentally maim someone, outside of self defense, expect a lengthy jail sentence and lawsuit.

That principal needs to be fired, his teacher needs to be fired ( who ever taught his current period ), and they need to be sued blind because people only notice when you start taking their money.

Gah, this aggravates me.

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I'm thinking bullying is always criminal or pre-criminal, attacks are always assault. Unfortunately, everyone knows the dice are loaded and the rich protected. Too bad such attitudes have created a world that worships sociopathy.

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SICKENING.

This, to me, is attempted murder. We used to have fights in school back in the day, but nothing like what you see now. Bullying was never at this level when I was younger..what has changed? That is something that needs to be addressed. If my child was responsible for the harm of another child in this manner, I would seriously be questioning where I went wrong. I don't even know how I could look him or her in the eye again. It makes me stomach-sick.

I just can't believe that with the anti bully movement that has surfaced in the last few years, they would let this one go, and not use it as an example. If any case deserves to be made an example of, it's this one. It's very close to a worst case scenario.
Bullies can be rough, but IMO this is past bullying. This is the start of what I think will end up being a violent criminal career on the aggressors part. (What should be) Assault and battery is pretty hard core for a 12 yr old.
ETA: Best wishes to the parents, can't imagine how it would feel. S&F

I don't know why I feel pain when I read these kind of stuff , I just feel how helpless the little boy would be on that scene .. I wish if I could be on a scene like this, to justify either it is bullying or assault