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Originally posted by HowardRoark
This is ridiculous. The columns were coated with dust, and dropped straight down out of the dust cloud.
Originally posted by Dr Love
People in my corner would say that the buildings were built to withstand the impact of an airplane without collapsing, so what gives???
Let me pose this scenario to you, the planes only have to fly into a general area of the building. This creates a diversion of devastation, smoke and fire. The domolition was only set up to take out the supports on a few floors above the impact.
The smoke and fire would camoflauge the demolitions set up on the outside of the building,
and of course we wouldn't be able to see what was going on in the interior anyway. If strategically placed demolitions take out the supports on, let's say, three floors, the weight of the top of the building collapsing through those three floors would be enough to set of the total collapse of the building. This is very plausible in my estimation and takes into account both sides of the argument.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
TX, are you an engineer?
How many structural engineers or architects support your demoltion theory?
Originally posted by TxSecret
Actually Roarke, whether I'm an engineer or not really doesn't matter in this particular discussion.
I don't HAVE to be an engineer to see the self evident or understand what OTHER engineers have said and written.
And when you say the laws of physics don't support Twitch's theories? That's just plain laughable. THEY DO.. Go back and read the thread and look around. The writing is on the wall dude.. READ IT.
Originally posted by twitchy
The seismic readings were more consistent with an underground nuclear explosion than they were a collapsing building roark.
And you still haven't explained why Marvin Bush's security company pulled the bomb sniffing dogs out the buildings the weekend before the collapse,
you know during the mysterious and "unprecedented power down" of the buildings.
2) Was there a similar event in the north tower?
Not to my knowledge.
3) I've pulled more Communications Cable than I could measure at this time and I have NEVER been notified of a complete power shutdown for such on event.... If that were the actual Truth....please, tell me, how the Technicians that were performing the service had power for the Equipment, needed LIghting, and necessary Test Gear? Somethings are Battery Powered....some are not....
I'm afraid I cannot provide information on this. The only information I can give is that we were notified of a power outtage in the top half of the South Tower, scheduled for Saturday 9/8 and Sunday 9/9 2001, some 2 or 3 weeks prior to the event. All companies above the 52nd floor would have been affected. We understood that essential electrical engineering work was being carried out. Engineers were on site over that weekend, as were myself and many of my colleagues. The WTC was a huge building and there must have been multiple power supplies, not just one single source, but I cannot provide details about that.
4) This story is very suspicious. There were a good many offices in the WTC, even on the upper floors, that absolutely required 24/7 operation, including connections to overseas computers and the like, and they would have raised hell if the building pulled the plug on them. Among other things, the top of the WTC had the broadcasting towers of several NYC radio and TV stations - and at least one or two engineers there checking the gauges round-the-clock. This Scott Forbes, assuming he's not fictional, apparently is not a high-tech computer geek and may have misinterpreted something that was, in fact, NOT a whole-building power-down but maybe something localized to just his company or his floor. Possible?
So many people have been suspicious of the information I have provided and have questioned my authenticity and veracity. Indeed I have received many abusive emails. All I can say to this is that I do exist and what I mentioned did happen. I work in technology and so some people may call me a computer geek ... but believe me I did not misinterpret the facts that there was power outtage for around 36 hours and that all of our systems had to be shutdown and restarted. I agree with your point that many global corporations resided in the WTC and so a power outtage would have been very, very inconvenient. I work for one of these organisations so I can validate that point absolutely. It was also highly unusal to have the majority of technology site on site over that weekend to ensure that all systems were shutdown and restarted successfully. I also agree with your point about the television, radio and communications masts and cameras on top of the tower.
You're a fine debater roark, I have alot mroe respect for you than I do alot of the right wingers here, but there's no way WTC was not a demolition job man. Yes it was a footprint collapse.
You know what got me started on the whole WTC thing, when I read that the same company that demolished the remains of the Murrah Fed. building was contracted to clean up the WTC. That little side piece in the news made me start researching.
Originally posted by dh
In any profession peer pressure prevents people from questioning the accepted status quo
Originally posted by HowardRoark
They did withstand the impact without collapsing. They were not able to withstand both the impact and the subsequent fires.
The structural damage caused by both was cumulative.
Originally posted by Krpano
What fire ?
Im woundering how can someone survive under the intense heat that "melted" the steel.
You still under the info released the few days after the event.
10:06 am NYPD aviation unit advises everybody to evacuate the area in the vicinity of Battery Park City and states that, about 15 floors from the top, it is totally glowing red on the inside and collapse was inevitable.
NYPD officer advises that it is isn’t going to take much longer before the North tower comes down and to pull emergency vehicles back from the building.
10:21 am NYPD aviation unit first reports that the top of the tower might be leaning, then confirms that it is buckling and leaning to the South. NYPD aviation unit reports that the North tower is leaning to the Southwest and appears to be buckling in the Southwest corner. NYPD officer advises that all personnel close to the building pull back three blocks in every direction.
10:28 am NYPD aviation unit reports that the roof is going to come down very shortly. NYPD officer reports that the tower is collapsing.