'Horse lasagne' sparks new UK food scare., page 4

reply to post by samuel1990

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As I wrote on another thread, "A corpse is a corpse, of course of course" etc. Eating any corpse is very weird, and I learned on this thread that kangaroos are being farmed and eaten? A sick civilization (literally), composed of the only animal that destroys forests to obtain more soil to grow food for their "livestock (soon to be deadstock)". Finding horsemeat in your lasagne is bad enough, but when a scared, poor, and nutritionally-uneducated population begins going for the rat meat, time to turn vegan.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by Flavian

Originally posted by tazdeill2

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by HelenConway

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How can you compare eating horses to eating humans?

That honestly makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. At the end of the day, i am human. I like animals (particularly when roasted and with a decent sauce) but humans come first.

If we can't trust the labels on foods, how do we know we aren't eating humans? And if they died of natural causes, would it be o.k.?

I agree with you here - it is the part i have difficulty with. If it says beef then it should be beef, end of story. If it says horse then fair enough though, and i think this is where i differ from some of the posters (particularly Helen it would appear). I really do not see the problem with eating meat of any description - as long as you know what it is that you are actually getting.

so just eat your dogs then - only someone with no conscience can think it is OK to eat anything - dogs cat humans horse. You are in good company on this thread.

Animals are just food walking, Disgusting,

They haev as much right to life as humans - but most humans wantto destroy life, in one way or another.

Even if they do sound all logical and reasonable.

Eat dog or elephant- why not I mean our pies are more important then their lives after all.

I feel sick.

Ah! I just read the rest of the thread after posting, and find Helen on the side of the angels, and on this we are allies, brothers and sisters in arms (although I think that eating humans and any other animal is the same, and just as bad as eating a chicken for that matter).

All you horse eaters, saddle up and ride outta here!

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by samuel1990

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As I wrote on another thread, "A corpse is a corpse, of course of course" etc. Eating any corpse is very weird, and I learned on this thread that kangaroos are being farmed and eaten? A sick civilization (literally), composed of the only animal that destroys forests to obtain more soil to grow food for their "livestock (soon to be deadstock)". Finding horsemeat in your lasagne is bad enough, but when a scared, poor, and nutritionally-uneducated population begins going for the rat meat, time to turn vegan.

I totally agree
It will be great apes next - gorilla and orangutang - they are already being hunted and driven to extinction.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by samuel1990

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As I wrote on another thread, "A corpse is a corpse, of course of course" etc. Eating any corpse is very weird, and I learned on this thread that kangaroos are being farmed and eaten? A sick civilization (literally), composed of the only animal that destroys forests to obtain more soil to grow food for their "livestock (soon to be deadstock)". Finding horsemeat in your lasagne is bad enough, but when a scared, poor, and nutritionally-uneducated population begins going for the rat meat, time to turn vegan.

I totally agree
It will be great apes next - gorilla and orangutang - they are already being hunted and driven to extinction.

I suspect that would actually be Cannibalism as we're 99% the same DNA, but that's another thread for another day.

reply to post by Ramcheck

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I know but it is happening. It goes along the same thought lines as ' meat is meat'
God bless horses, that is what I say. They have been so betrayed and abused by their guardians. I cry for them.

reply to post by Ramcheck

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Most vegetarians consider eating any animal as cannibalism. That's why we have to love the cannibals. They run our world, and we've seen what they've done to it (and no, Hitler was not a vegetarian, if someone thought of that one. I don't know of any world leaders who are, although the U.S.'s former president, Bill Clinton, went vegan not too long ago and says he's never felt better)

reply to post by Aleister

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I am with you there. Though I am not a vegan, I do eat some fish and some diary products.

But horses, you know they worked for us in the fields, they went to war with us, they are the most beautiful and noble creatures.

Neraly as many horses died in WW1 as people. [ from the UK]

How are they rewarded - they are made into burgers and few care. So sad.

reply to post by HelenConway

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They are not being bred for it though, are they? It is dead horses being provided to meat suppliers that then work their way into the food chain. It still isn't right as it is still fraud but it does put a different perspective on it. Surely using the animals after they have died is actually more respectful than just leaving them to rot in the ground or burning them?

reply to post by samuel1990

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But are the horses pumped full of antibiotics and hormones? Might be better for you honestly.

reply to post by blupblup

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Here here.

There is a reason that some things often look to good to be true.

reply to post by Flavian

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Dead horse being supplied to go into the food chain, not that's a picture of diseased meat being thrown to the consumer. Most "livestock" are so pumped up on antibiotics because they get sick in the spaces alloted them to grow, which is filled with feces, other animal's easily spread illnesses, and the hormonal surges which occur from living the wretched lives they are forced to endure (and they don't even get a one-hour a day exercise break as most hard-core human prisoners do). So these sick animals, in this case old and dying horses, are put onto plates for people to actually put into their mouths! As the much lately-discussed King Richard III might have said if he were a writer as good as Shakespeare, "A horse, a horse, some ketcup for my horse"

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by HelenConway

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They are not being bred for it though, are they? It is dead horses being provided to meat suppliers that then work their way into the food chain. It still isn't right as it is still fraud but it does put a different perspective on it. Surely using the animals after they have died is actually more respectful than just leaving them to rot in the ground or burning them?

they are being slaughtered for their flesh - sold at auction by owners who could not give a stuff, ex racehorses who are probably still mere babies [ maybe 4], dartmoor ponies, new forest ponies, etc etc

reply to post by Aleister

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I like that last line. A lot!

But lets be honest here, if we want to go down the "what is good for us" route, then we need to do away with motorised transport, power stations (of any description), pesticides, fertilisers (unless natural), mobile phones, electricity - basically pretty much everything invented post 1700 (can't be bothered to list more!).

Most things are detrimental to our health these days.

reply to post by blupblup

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Those Tesco burgers are actually quite nice, I'll have you know - maybe it was the horse in them!

I don't have an issue with eating any creature, everything is food. Some are further down my list than others, mind you and some I wouldn't touch unless I was starving, but it is the way of the world since the dawn of life. Everything eats everything else.

The only problem I have with this is labelling and dishonesty rather than any disgust at the meat itself. Some bastard somewhere is making a tidy profit selling meat that may or may not be fit for human consumption and is other than as described on the packet. I hope whoever is behind this mess gets what they are due.

reply to post by merkins

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If I may just interject....

In the UK, fresh food does not carry VAT, but frozen processed food does. It is actually more expensive and of a lower quality. For a few quid you can get a decent pack of fresh beef steak mince and turn that into 6-8 fresh, home made burgers that would cost less than the £3 they charge for the 4 pack of 1/4lb horse-burgers.

Or, as another example, 4 coated chicken breasts are around £3, give or take, but they will be smaller than a fresh breast and likely contain filler too. While a pack of fresh chicken breast might set you back £4-5, you will get more meat for your money and it is more versatile.

There is no reason why you cannot feed a family of 4-5 for around £5-£7 a meal using fresh ingredients only, which is better for you as well and once you get the hag of cooking, taste better.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by HelenConway

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They are not being bred for it though, are they? It is dead horses being provided to meat suppliers that then work their way into the food chain. It still isn't right as it is still fraud but it does put a different perspective on it. Surely using the animals after they have died is actually more respectful than just leaving them to rot in the ground or burning them?

It is not o.k. to use the animals after they have died because we don't know how they died. Even the most visually impaired slaughterhouse operative would be able to tell if a horse walked past in a line of cows. That means they are not being slaughtered 'legally', therefore, they are not being slaughtered with respect, they will not have been stunned, and God knows what else will have happened to them, their legs could be broken whilst being loaded or unloaded from the trailers, they will be terrified as they will not be other horses or people that they know, horses do not behave like cattle etc, they react strongly when scared, so they will be treated with aggression by their handlers. How long will they have been dead before they end up as food? Days? weeks? These horses will more than likely have been pets for years, they will have had loving human contact, been groomed, stabled, given carrots and had their ears rubbed when they're cold, and we have betrayed them. At least meat animals are kept 'at arms length' by those who make their living from them. We owe so much to the horse. It has been our friend and beast of burden for centuries. This is a betrayal of the animal and us.

reply to post by merkins

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Merkins, a very serious answer to your post. The working poor would be so much better off eating good vegan food, both for their pocketbooks and for the children's health. Lentils and brown rice, seasoned to perfection, is my favorite meal on the planet. Not very costly, especially when compared to the price of "meat". Then toss in an onion or two, brocolli if you can afford it (that's one that the cost is rising on), potatoes with olive oil and seasoning, and you have all the nutrients and protein you need (a need to eat meat and drink unhealthy cow juices to obtain your protein is a long-standing myth). The children will be healthier, the pocketbook will have more cash for other items, and if you eat this way for a few weeks you will understand what all the vegan fuss is about.

reply to post by tazdeill2

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Oh God - that just made me cry.
I have to leave for a while now..had to stop reading half way through
It is true, heartbreaking

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