reply to post by Itisnowagain
Did you seek enlightenment Dominicus?
Yes, it came in handy, bringing to the forefront all the various paths there, blueprints, and trial & error. Had I not read a koan, inquired within,
or gotten hit with Mystical grace, I would have remained a hardline super skeptic atheist.
Had you an idea of what it was prior to the happening?
Just descriptions, but not an experience of it. What hit the proverbial nail on the head was Buddha's invitation to see for one's self if what he
says is true.
What is so different about life when enlightenment has been realized?
Transcendence, Selflessness, Divine Love, Bliss, Spaciousness, Illusion is gone, there is No more Me anywhere to be found, the whole body changes, the
list of what's so different is so long it can be a book in itself.
What Krishnamurti means is that all 'effort' is 'seeking'. 'Seeking' is what causes the individual - it is what divides the whole.
Yes I understand this. But what happens to many people who hear this, is they give up and walk away, while still remaining in the I-Illusion.
The whole is always whole but it seeks (puts effort in) to find itself. The effort is what is the suffering - the effort is contraction. The
contraction of energy seems to separate itself from itself (the one energy) and this is what hurts. The pain of life causes one to seek the end of
this pain - so some 'seek' enlightenment because they have heard that it cures the pain of life. So some 'seek' enlightenment and they suffer in
their seeking. Enlightenment just happens and when it does it can be described but it cannot be prescribed in my opinion.
Yes understood and agreed. We've collided before on various threads and always end up in sync, in agreement for the most part macro-cosmically. Its
the minor details that may be at odds.
Like I said before, dropping, letting go of the Seeker in most instances won't produce Enlightenment. Ramana Maharshi discussed 3 categories of
people that listen to Nondual direct pointing in the Vein of Krishnamurti and all the others.
1. Ripe. Ready to hear a pointer which will result in direct and permanent Realization.
2. In the Process of ripening. May have glimpses of Realization, dipping in and out of it, all the while taking a few years for stabilization and
final realization to happen.
3. Unripened. Will probably spend their whole live at the whims of the world, ego, body, never having any interest in this topic, and never realizing
Most be people or Unripened. The rest who do read and study these topics, need a few years and are in the "ripening" category as was the case for
myself. Very few, possibly in the hundreds are ripe and will get direct permanent stabilization in the Supreme. Of course this is all from the
So my gripe with Krishnamurti is 3 fold:
1. Many/Most won't comprehend that there's "nothing you can do". So it remains a dead end
2. Krishnamurti himself went through various preliminary mystical experiences, reading books, traveling, being in the company of theosophical members,
and other factors all contributing to, and crescendo-ing into a final Self Realization. So while saying, "There is Nothing you can do", he
certainly did much along the way to realize that there is nothing you can do
3. Instant vs. Progressive Realization. I have found, and can link several sources of other teachers who have also realized this, that those who have
an instant realization tend to not comprehend through (logic/reason/intelligence/intuition) exactly the mechanics of how the realization happened.
When it happens in an Instant, it is so fast that the mind fails to recognize the details. For myself, after the initial realization, it took 3 years
after that, to slowly break down through self inquiry, meditations, wisdom, and further readings to recreate and fully understand with the mind
exactly how realization happens and takes place.
In this case, the resulting conclusion was that Awareness/Observer is prior to ego/mind, and the Source of Awareness/Observer is prior to
Awareness/Observer. In the instant realization, one goes directly to Source. In the progressive realization, One stops along the way at each of these
"stations" and begins to fully understand them.
Also the center of Awareness is in the middle of the head, while the Source is in the heart, two digits to the right. This is where the Ego emerges
from upon waking up in the morning, rising up from this heart location, and taking its place as illusion in the Head and in front of Awareness,
projecting all the false like a movie theater.
Ultimately, this thread is a "how to" and invitation for others to see for themselves. The way I got to these realizations, are also espoused by all
the various links I've provided.