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Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns.

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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 05:02 AM
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reply to post by AwakeinNM
 


Oh right, and I suppose on top of that they are going to want every manufacturer or supplier of alcoholic drinks held to account for the cost of liver damage?

I cannot understand this one little bit. If a person decides that on a given day of the week, they are going to use a baseball bat, or a hammer, or a crossbow, or a knife, or a damned mobile phone even, as a murder weapon does that mean the persons or companies who constructed those items are at fault?

No, of course it doesnt. It takes the individual, who put the ammunition in the gun, and then pulled the trigger, to make a choice about what they are going to do with the object. In this way a gun, of whatever type, is no different to a conveniently handy lump of masonry, or a discarded length of steel rod at a construction yard. Hell, I could kill a man with my damned shoelaces (and get a work out at the same time!) but no one in thier right mind would say that the boot makers are at fault for providing me with a handy garrotte! What utter garbage!




posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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All the laws on the books needs to be reviewed, and the useless ones need to be removed and the ones that conflict with the rights and freedoms that we're given, needs to be removed and anyone that had any hand in helping this law be approved needs to be tried for treason.

We can treat the treason in a three strike method to speed it up.
One account of treason- They're removed from their position and never allowed to hold a position in the government ever again.

Two accounts-They're removed from their position, can never be in a government position again, and all pay dating back to the earliest law that are being tried for is taken back.

Three accounts- They're given the option of excommunication or execution. Along with all pay dating back being to the earliest law being taken.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 08:06 AM
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Why not just blame god? It's gods fault metals, combustion, physics and people exist, right?

In the extreme off chance something like this should ever gain traction the manufacturers would just sell components.

Hey, I didnt make that gun. I just made that metal pipe and those little pins. The end user made the gun.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 08:21 AM
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This is a bunch of BS.

There have been school shootings happening in the US for over 100 years. All you have to do is a little research.
It's not a new phenomena.

Holding gun makers liable is very dangerous.

But let them pass the law. I need to hold Wendy's liable for selling me too much fattening food.
And maybe we can actually sue the government for a whole slew of things and win for a change.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by SpaDe_
It's funny that they don't even address the fact that most crimes are committed with hand guns, and that "assault style" weapons are involved in less than 5% of crimes annually. Lets just keep pretending that there isn't an agenda here and everything will be alright.


Zzactly...... If I were going to commit a robbery, common sense would dictate that a ""Concealed"" gun/weapon would be used and small in size, providing unnoticed entry and exiting the residence/store/bank of the victim. Any rifle would need a long coat or some means of hiding to prevent any preemptive action by bystanders or Law enforcement.
I think anybody can grasp this mentality. Rifles are awkward and highly visible. They are just not suited for close contact. Assault weapons are better suited for offensive and defensive use, thus as a weapon against forces of tyranny.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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I'm 100% behind this.

IF they hold Obama responsible for the murders his troops committed.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 10:37 AM
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I want Doctors held liable for the millions of Americans they KILL every year.

Medical mistakes by Doctors kill more Americans than all the other methods of murder combined.

Yet they aren't liable.

Democrats pushed the FDA to drop Clinical Trials to prove medical devices/implants/drugs are safe. They got the FDA to adopt "Bayesian Statistics".....which means "They now approve everything and....they'll look at the bad data as it comes in afterwards".

They did that to create $$$$ and jobs.....fully knowing they are maiming and killing Americans doing it.

Why do you think they're accepting 9 millions Americans on Social Security Disability now???

Democrats.....they know how to kill their fellow Americans and make money doing so.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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Hardly fair to bash Obama with that particular stick, since it wasnt him that began the war in Iraq, or Afghanistan. He was however, left to finish those conflicts.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Mutant
reply to post by AwakeinNM
 

It all boils down to
No one is responsible for their own actions..
When will it end?



It will end when the state is responsible for everyone's actions. That is the definition of a dictatorship.

One more goose step in that direction.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
well, not reading the story..and I see its faux news..therefore the technical are probably wildly different than reality.


Alrighty then, here is the same story on HuffPo, just to make you feel better and remove any wild discrepancies from reality:

Same Story



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Even with background checks there is no way to predict the future of whether a person commits a crime or not. All criminals were crime free before they committed their first crime.

Pre Crime Unit from Minority Report? Why would you want that?

This is simply outrageous. We should never stand for it.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
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Hardly fair to bash Obama with that particular stick, since it wasnt him that began the war in Iraq, or Afghanistan. He was however, left to finish those conflicts.


And then he added a few more involvements.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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I want Doctors held liable for the millions of Americans they KILL every year.


They are. This is why we need tort reform, because the cost of MDs insurance has gone up from all the lawsuits and this has caused a rise in medical costs.

Maybe the Democrat lawyers have dollar signs in their eyes for lawsuits on gun crimes they can really whip up against the makers and maybe even put some out of business. These people are so vile while pretending to care about people. Bunch of lousy stinking fakes.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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what about a law requiring elected officials
uphold the constitution or go to jail!
shouldnt the shooter he held accountable
for illegal gun violence!
what happens when the police buy guns
from manufacturers, then sell thier older
guns to a gun shop, when they buy new
ones? are the manufacturers still
responsible? (real lawsuit against
manufacturer)
what happens when someone legally buys a
gun, that person sells it to a cop, that cop
resells it to another cop, then he sells it to
a gun store, then it later is found at a crime
scene? (person arrested here was original
buyer, he was a homeless man and didnt
keep the record of sale for the required
10yrs. They could prove the other cops
owned the gun and everything was legal.)
(real case out of chicago). who is
responsible then?

can they be sued for police shootings also?
self defense shootings?
accidental or suicides?
and what happens when they do finally sue
the gun manufacturers out of business?
who will supply our military and police
departments?



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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so does that mean these gun manufactures are all guilty of starting wars too?
Give me break this bs is so far outta hand, i feel like I'm living in the twilight zone lately.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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You are not the only one. I personally do not agree with guns. I think that outside of military and law enforcement, if a person either uses guns to attack, or defend themselves, in my opinion, thats only because they didnt have the brass nuts to use a blade, like a man.

But that aside, to blame the recent speight of horrors commited with firearms, on the arms themselves is utter nonsense. As previously mentioned, one can do far more damage with an explosive device, assembled from things readily available from pharmacies and DIY stores. Did the people who prosecuted the BTK killer blame the manufacturer of the materials he used to bind his victims? No.

This crap is being used to deflect the attention of the people away from the fact that the USA is consistently failing to identify and treat people who are so dangerously mentally disturbed, that thier liberty places the lives and freedom of others in serious threat. It is being used to deflect attention from the fact that those who ARE identified as such a person, are not being tracked and treated effectively enough to garuntee the saftey of the citizenry.

Those are the issues to loose ones rag about, and not the ability of regular folks to partake of thier rights under the law of the land, laid down in a document so hallowed as the consitution of the United States. Americas history may be short, and represent little more than a footnote in global and historical terms, but to ignore such a documents instructions, when it was written with such intelligence for its time, is perhaps the dumbest thing that will ever happen in the U.S. ... well, apart from perhaps the birth, and election of George W. Bush. That was pretty dumb.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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That's a little radical

Obviously the Democrats ultimate goal is to get the gun manufacturers to shut their doors and go out of business because there is no way they will be able to withstand fine after fine.

It's absurd what this nation is coming to. I thought suing Mcdonalds over a cup of coffee was bad, it's only going to get worse.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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And if someone steals a gun and commits a crime, who is responsible, the guy who committed the crime with a stolen gun, the gunowner, or the manufacturer of the gun? This is all so silly, and the Democrats have ulterior motives besides stopping crime.

By the way, there is a paper trail of ownership every time a gun is sold, even if they don't submit it to the FBI, it can still be tracked by the serial number. This measure is not to prevent crime but to prevent the citizens from defending themselves. It's the Nanny State, citizens are protected by the govt and not by their own efforts.....that is the logic of statists....wait around for a cop to come and save you. I once walked home from a corner store and saw some local burglars kicking my neighbors basement window in and I heard them talking as I approached and the one guy said, 'how about this one"....which just so happened to be MY house. I went in and called the cops but noboody came? Why? Because calls had been made on that house before and the cops thought it was bogus and therefore not worthy of the housecall. This is an absolutely true story, and I had a small child with me to boot. I was quite scared. I thought they might break in, beat me up, hurt my child, or any thing. How would I defend myself and a small child against 4 or 5 thugs? They apparently only wanted to do homes where the owners were out because it's easier to steal tvs and computers without confronting a homeowner.

So the State wants us to depend on them.....
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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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This crap is being used to deflect the attention of the people away from the fact that the USA is consistently failing to identify and treat people who are so dangerously mentally disturbed, that thier liberty places the lives and freedom of others in serious threat.


What do you want to do? Lock up every body with a history of mental illness in some mental hospital? Now we are talking big bucks, and someone has to decide who is mentally incapitated. Where would you draw the line? Your argument is as impracttical as suing gun manufactueres. Again, you cannot decide who is going to kill someone. There are mentally ill who still have never hurt anyone, but you would lock them all up out of the fear they would do something. Do people even think of these things before they put some idea out there?
Then, what kind of treatments do you think the UK is doing that we are not? Do you lock everyone up who goes to the psychiatrist? Do you have bunches of mental hospitals just brimming full of people? Does your socialist healthcare pick up the tab? Must be mighty expensive.

What makes you think that medications fix everything anyway? They don't Are you aware of the side effects of major anti-psychotic meds? I guess not, or you wouldn't be so flip about it.

But look, if our politicians want to play the blame game, why not point the finger at Hollywood for producing more and more violent films. I bet we can find a corellary of rise of crime to rise of violent films in recent decades.
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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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This tired old crap argument again????

Never surprised as to the lengths of stupidity that Politicians go for power and control.





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