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Originally posted by eLPresidente
This case is extremely important, I hope more people will stand up, speak out, and get active locally in nullifying unconstitutional power grabs.
Obama is being exposed, they're all being exposed, we must continue to hold them all accountable.
Originally posted by Kali74
I'm not surprised many of you haven't heard about this (even though there's threads on it) because the Right doesn't talk about this. As I said during the election the GOP had the perfect legit material they needed to cost Obama some votes and they 'ignored' it. Gary Johnson, Jill Stein and even Ron Paul talked about this during their campaigns.
stopndaa.org has some more detailed information on the lawsuit. As does Chris Hedges site truthdig.com or just about any Occupy site.
The plaintiffs bringing suit against the Obama Administration are: Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, Tangerine Bolen, Kai Wargalla, and Alexa O'brien.
Some threads on the topic:
Originally posted by OuttaHere
I especially love that Hedges is a liberal AND a socialist, and yet he is willing to refuse to drink the Obama kool-aid. As an intellectually formidable and balanced thinker as well as an authentic, old school (REAL) journalist, he actually makes a compelling case against NDAA and the mainstream media cannot demonize him as a conservative because - he's not! So I am thrilled that Hedges was the one to bring suit against this administration for this outrageous Act.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by severdsoul
Obama didn't do this alone.
It was written in Congress and passed by both Houses and signed into Law 12/31/2011.
The lawsuit was filed to remove the indefinite detention provisions of the Act.
The section permits the military to detain anyone, including U.S. citizens, who “substantially support”—an undefined legal term—al-Qaida, the Taliban or “associated forces,” again a term that is legally undefined. Those detained can be imprisoned indefinitely by the military and denied due process until “the end of hostilities.” In an age of permanent war this is probably a lifetime. Anyone detained under the NDAA can be sent, according to Section (c)(4), to any “foreign country or entity.” This is, in essence, extraordinary rendition of U.S. citizens. It empowers the government to ship detainees to the jails of some of the most repressive regimes on earth.
If we lose in Hedges v. Obama—and it seems certain that no matter the outcome of the appeal this case will reach the Supreme Court—electoral politics and our rights as citizens will be as empty as those of Nero’s Rome. If we lose, the power of the military to detain citizens, strip them of due process and hold them indefinitely in military prisons will become a terrifying reality. Democrat or Republican. Occupy activist or libertarian. Socialist or tea party stalwart. It does not matter. This is not a partisan fight. Once the state seizes this unchecked power, it will inevitably create a secret, lawless world of indiscriminate violence, terror and gulags. I lived under several military dictatorships during the two decades I was a foreign correspondent. I know the beast.
Alexa O’Brien, another plaintiff and a co-founder of the US Day of Rage, learned after WikiLeaks released 5 million emails from Stratfor, a private security firm that does work for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the Marine Corps and the Defense Intelligence Agency, that Stratfor operatives were trying to link her and her organization to Islamic radicals, including al-Qaida, and sympathetic websites as well as jihadist ideology. If that link were made, she and those in her organization would not be immune from detention.
The government attempted in court last week to smear Sami Al-Hajj, a journalist for the Al-Jazeera news network who was picked up by the U.S. military and imprisoned for nearly seven years in Guantanamo. This, for me, was one of the most chilling moments in the hearing.
“Just calling yourself a journalist doesn’t make you a journalist, like Al-Hajj,” Loeb told the court. “He used journalism as a cover. He was a member of al-Qaida and provided Stinger missiles to al-Qaida.”
Al-Hajj, despite Loeb’s assertions, was never charged with any crimes. And the slander by Loeb only highlighted the potential for misuse of this provision of the NDAA if it is not struck down.