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Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
Originally posted by LeatherNLace
In the unlikely chance there is a hell, don't worry yourself. If there is a hell, that is where all the fun people will be.
Your last statement is wrong dude. If there is a hell its the worst thing ever why do people keep saying things like oh itll be fun and whatnot no it wont. I am focusing here on hell as described in Chris/Catho/Islam religions.
Originally posted by honested3
reply to post by Lazarus Short
it makes sense but it is very flawed. for starters i like your name there Lazarus, I suggest you read in the old testament of the story about the rich man named Lazarus, not the new testament one, and you will see hell does exist. in regards to your logical algorithm it does make sense, but you left out the factor of free will. No a perfect God cannot create imperfect things 'unless' the perfect God allowed free will and the influence of imperfect things. This is another topic of conversation but you see my point.
in regards to hell, yes it is real, but getting there is not a corporate ordeal. the Bible says we are saved by faith and faith alone, and that Jesus is the only way to God, so that is faith in Jesus which gets us to heaven. the Bible also says the works of God testify of Him so that no man is without excuse, let me expand on this; this does not mean God will send those to hell who do not know better, the road to hell is intentional, it is decided, the mentioned verse applies to those who truly do not know any better, but have in their hearts submitted to a higher power and have faith in that higher power and succumb to the inner "good morals" that we all have built into us, morals which go without saying. that is not to say all roads lead to heaven, but is to say those who truly dont know any better, but have faith are saved. but those who do know better (and that would include many in the modern world) are cast guilt and a questionable heart, as mentioned in earlier posts, this guilt is the Lord knocking on your heart. my point being, God judges the heart of a person and the circumstances in said persons life. in reference to the bible you will find circumstances where people do not get into heaven, but they later find they intentionally denied God and didnt even know it, because they choose to ignore the guilt. guilt is God knocking on your heart dont ignore it.
lastly, you try and point out the flaws in a belief in the afterlife, but you only point out the flaws in your own logic. you think your intellect and knowledge gives you insight nobody else can see, but in this case it does not disprove the truth, only strengthens it. hell is real, and God sent His Son Jesus to save you from it, you only miss His love because our society has cast salvation in a bad light. all you have to do is accept Jesus in your hearts and have faith in Him, He will do the rest. dont worry about what the churches are doing, dont worry about what the scientists tell you, listen to the knocking on the door of your heart. Jesus loves you.
Originally posted by SunLife
I would start Here.. and you better believe your life depends on it.
Originally posted by milkyway12
People here most likely haven't faced death, let me tell you something, Oh # I'm dying is the first thing that comes to mind and hell and heaven come flooding in right after it. Not family, not friends, but I really hope I was right hits you like a million ton of bricks.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by mc4denmark
Dude, you are talking about history ain't the place to look, but still you find faint in a ancient book, which is history?! How about all the scientific research in ancient cultures. Or is the book and your view the only one thing from history which got it right?
Science, history, and religion are ALL controlled by those who hate the truth and are deliberately hiding it from us.
I do not worship any book.
Once you have had a supernatural encounter with the Creator of the universe, everything you believe changes.
An earlier post in the thread here links to several videos that relate to what I experienced.
The English term hell comes from the Anglo-Saxon hel, meaning a hidden place. Hel comes from the verb form helan meaning "to hide." Thus the English root word for hell, helan, has nothing to do with hell-fire. Biblical translators used the word hell to translate two different Semitic words: gehenna or gehenna dnoora in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus) and sheol in Hebrew.
Sheol comes from the Hebrew root word shalal meaning to be still, quiet. The ancient Hebrews believed sheol to be a place beneath the earth’s surface where those who die, both good and bad, are inactive and quiet. They await judgment or resurrection day. It is a temporary resting place in the underworld. The Aramaic gehenna dnoora refers to the "Valley of Hinnom." During the 1st century C.E., Gehenna Dnoora was the garbage dump for Jerusalem. Located outside the city walls, people brought their garbage to Gehenna Dnoora and burned it. The Judean king, Ahaz (735-715 B.C.E.), used this valley to send his son to the flames as a human sacrifice to the gods. As a result of these human sacrifices, the valley Gei Hinnom became a Semitic term for hell. The Old Testament sheol and the New Testament gehenna dnoora in no way refer to a place established by God for eternal punishment.