I'm very scared of going to hell, but I don't believe in hell

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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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I once read something in the Bible (it must have been in Revelations, because that's the only part of the Bible I've read) that made me think that Heaven and Hell aren't physical places. I don't remember which verse it was, sorry.

But I remember thinking; Hm. This makes more sense. It made me think that Hell was your spirit's eternal suffering and/or death after your body is gone. It made it sound as though your soul is gone forever if you choose the wrong path, but if you follow God, and if you're good, your spirit is enlightened forever, and you eternally "walk in the light" if you will.

That would also make sense, if you think about John 3;16. "Eternal life," you know.

Basically, it seems like your spirit lives on forever if you choose the right path, but it dies if you don't.

That makes a lot more sense to me than trying to comprehend that Heaven and Hell are physical places.




posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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i have to see god and see hell then ill change my life. i need hard proofs that have not been met.


How would you know what He looks like? Perhaps you are looking for an anthropomorphic god in the image of a man made idea. Are you expecting a person to manifest and tell you he is God?



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by MrBigDave

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by MrBigDave
I think that if you truly thought about it, you believe in hell 100% of the time its just that you don't think about it or you push the idea to the back of your mind. I understand and am in a similar state in life. I do believe in hell, but I'm not doing anything about it. Most of the time it doesn't bother me, but every once in a while the thought crosses my mind.


Yea thats how I am. I dont do anything about it and most of the time im not thinking about it but when i do im really scared that it might be real. Are you in this same situation? how do you cope/deal with his? your scared of dying because of hell but you cant escape death, so whats the solution?


Yes, I quit going to church about a year ago. I had some disagreements with the pastor. I was going to find a different one, but then got used to having my sunday mornings for other stuff. Now it is in the far back of my mind. I know that it should not be, but it is.


Sunday morning?

Weird...
Sabbath is on the 7th day (aka, Saturday). Why go on the first day of the week?


Really? Do you have to argue about everything? Yes, I used to go to church on Sunday. Yes I know that technically the Sabbath is on Saturday, Jesus was not born in December, and Easter has nothing to do with ham. The Law was not about the letter, it was about the concepts, and I don't believe God cares what day you celebrate as long as you do.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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If it makes you feel any better, I would say don't fear what you can't control. We will all die. You are going to die. Your friends are going to die and so is you family and your dentist and your dog. And as humans, we are all inherently both good and evil at various times through life. We cannot be perfect little angels all of our lives that would be an unrealistic expectation and IMO might be unheard of due to our general nature that makes humans humans.

I would like you to try thinking of death as a journey. There's only so much you can see and do and feel in this life, think of death as a new beginning or a closure to all. You may get to see or learn what you were never able to in this life. You cannot experience what else there is unless you, experience what else there is by experiencing it LOL!
If there is nothing after death as some people proclaim, then think of death as a vacation, you will no longer have to deal with the tribulations in this life anymore.

You are afraid of a "what if" What ifs will drive you mad especially if it's a what if worry that is negative in nature. Like I said, don't worry about what you cannot control.

Just live your life, and if you can help it don't purposely cause deliberate harm to others. "try" to do nice things for people, and to be just and understanding without judgment of others. I know its hard if not impossible to exercise these things every day for your whole life, but just do your best and that's all that can be asked, when you are done with life just wait, and let whatever is going to happen happen, it's not like you will have a real choice when this point comes so just go with the flow.
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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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When you die and go to hell I am drafting you. Don't be scared 0thetrootho, be ANGRY!!! Some god gives you life and condemns you to ETERNAL hell for what you did in the 80-some-odd years you were here in the flesh? Half of those years you don't know what you're doing, and the other half you're too old to do anything bad anyway.

I swear to you, if there is a god as described by most humans, and if there's a Satan, they better be trembling because I'm coming to get them.

I mean it, if I die and find out there's a god and devil I will fly into an eternal rage and tear down heaven and hell for all the sh!! they put us through down here! I am NOT kidding you!
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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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they say gehenna in the bible is what they call "hell" today.

this thread made me think of this video.

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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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There is a third
Let's see if you can follow along, that should be easy for you since you are so wise.

For you to understand you must get rid of a few preconceived notions that wise men sometimes have.

First understand that no one is innocent.
Every choice everyone makes effects everyone else.

Now that you can see the logic you will better understand this.

Every choice you make is like a stone walking down a path. There are many paths but nothing you do can change what is at the end of the path. You can choose two paths, on one path there are many ways to go, but the other path there is only one place to go.

Love is the path that leads to the one true place. Only repentance can bring a man back to the true path once he has strayed down a different path.

If you had a got that never let you go down the wrong path then he should have just created robots. He wants willing not forced servants.
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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
Most of the time I don't believe in hell, its like 90% i dont believe in hell but 10 percent of me does. but when I think about hell i get very very scared because i think what if hell is real and when i die ill go there and suffer forever. I would call myself an agnostic/atheist. Its like i have this phobia of dying but most importantly l what can happen after death and especially of the reality of hell. I cant rule out the possibility of hell and so that why im really scared. i dont know why im scared. my mind says hell is not real but it my subconcsious says it might be real. i dont want to die and be wrong because itll be too late then. any help wuld be appreciated.

I posted this under philo/meta because I think people are smarter here than in religion section no offense of course. Please dont delete this mods if anything move it to the religion section. Thanks
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Your fear is not of hell, it is of death mixed in with guilt over past actions.

Death is the one thing we are all certain will come, why be fearful of death because it is the one certainty we all have?

Did you fear before-birth?

If you did then you are the first person to fear before-birth. With this in mind, enjoy your life and accept that one day you will die, fearing it is as crazy as fearing birth.

What you do in this life is your choice, make it a great one I say!

Whatever comes after will come. You only have now and if you have the luxury of knowing you will die, why not do the opposite of what happened when you came into this world. Instead of having everyone smiling at you whilst you cry. Smile at your last breath as they cry because you did it right.

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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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I will be right beside you dude
for mankind is better than God or Satan we are many we are Legion
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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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Here is something that I think you should read.

Thought control.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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It doesnt many any sense to me at all. I mean suffering for billions of years ok fine, but eternally thats just messed up. The eternal part is the part that really gets to me. Its the part that im mostly afraid of and the part that doesnt many any sense I mean how can we suffer forever and ever..
Its like this fear of hell is engraved inside of me and no matter what anyone says or how dumb the idea of hell is I still fear it.


Hell will not last forever. That is a major misconception. The majority of churches teach that mostly because they do no know any better. They either do not study their Bibles and are just repeating what they have been told, or they do study their Bibles without letting the Holy Spirit lead their hearts.

Hell is real, however. But, it will be quick:

Revelation 20:9(KJV)
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

At the end of the 1,000 years, the wicked dead will be resurrected, they will be deceived by Satan into trying to surround and take over the city of the saints, and when they attempt that, God will rain down fire on them all. Hell is referred to as the second death.

Matthew 10:28(KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

If the soul will be destroyed in hell, then it does not make sense to believe that those who go to hell will be conscious and alert while being burned forever and ever.

Revelation 22:2(KJV)
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The tree of life will be what perpetuates life while we are in Heaven. The tree of life would have perpetuated life had Adam and Eve not eaten from the tree of knowledge. When they ate from the tree of knowledge, God cast them out of the garden and placed two angels with swords at the entrance to prevent anybody from entering. This was because they had fallen into a sinful state and if they were allowed access to the tree of life, they would live forever as sinners.

There will be no access to the tree of life for those who are destroyed by the lake of fire. One of the most well-known verses of the Bible, John 3:16 also tells us that only those in Heaven will have eternal life:

John 3:16(KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE. Those who go through hellfire will perish. Those in Heaven will have everlasting life. It does not say everlasting life in hell, and everlasting life in Heaven.

Make no mistake, hell is very real. Satan has deceived the majority of preachers into believing and teaching that hell is a place ruled by Satan and his demons where humans will burn for all eternity. He has done this to push people away from God. How many times have we heard or read where someone says they would not want to worship a God who tortures those who disobey Him forever and ever and ever? The thing is, He won't! Those who willingly go against God's laws will perish in the storm of fire which will rain down upon them when God executes His judgement. Sodom and Gomorrah were an example of how it will be.

Instead of fearing hell, think of all the wonderful things you will miss out on if you do not go to Heaven. We are not meant to be afraid. We are meant to keep our eyes on the Lord Jesus and our Heavenly Father. If you have not accepted Jesus as your Saviour, there is no better time than now to do so. Just pray in your own words that you are sinner and that you accept what Jesus has done for you, and that you want Him to come into your heart and make you clean. He will do it.

There are many verses which some take out of context, and say that they mean that people will be alive and conscious in hell for all eternity. Here is a link to a study that addresses all those verses, and explains them:

www.remnantofgod.org...




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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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Reading this entire thread...

Is my definition of Hell.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:41 PM
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::From my perspective anyone who says they've never doubted their own beliefs is either delusional or a liar. As a Christian I would say as long as your still searching and open to learning hope is certainly not lost. I believe that is why a heart that seeks God is of more importance in this subject than a 100 percent fixed belief in a dogma or an ideology. In this way there's some plasticity in case something, that in all honestly has come to us heavily filtered through a thousand years of oppression and repression, isn't exactly as we've been taught. In this way we can be justified by faith. If God is God and you seek him he will find you so as long as you are honestly open to it you don't have anything to worry about.
In the Bible when it describes a person who is lost (eternally speaking) It says that God has hardened their hearts and I think that is sometimes confused into meaning that they become bitter or horrible people I think it more likely means that the person becomes unwilling or even unable to change and obviously if this occurs while holding the wrong beliefs your well for lack of a better term SOL.

Old Testament and New Testament alike it is said:
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13

So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you
Luke 11:9

Keep your heart open. You're in my prayers.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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whatever you do man DO NOT PICK UP THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE &/or the torah or the quaran until you have fully let go of fear of death. in the words of yoda "you must unlearn what you have learned", let go of fear. find peace threw the eastern philosophies then in time go back to the western literature. truely see for what it is.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Well do the best you can, and I'll try to do likewise.
Then maybe we will avert the chances of us meeting each other there.

Keep Calm and Carry On.
S&F



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
Most of the time I don't believe in hell, its like 90% i dont believe in hell but 10 percent of me does. .

my mind says hell is not real but it my subconcsious says it might be real. i dont want to die and be wrong because itll be too late then.


we only counciously use 10% of our brains, our subcouncious is the other 90%

when you start going down the rabbit hole and have a hard time telling if reality is real or not
will you rely on your 10% of your mind that is telling you its not real,
or your 90% of your mind that is telling you it is?



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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In the immortal words of Jean-Luc Picard:

"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are."

Try to live a good life, and do right by others and yourself. If God sends you to Hell for that, then to Hell with Him.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by pryed -eyed-one
whatever you do man DO NOT PICK UP THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE &/or the torah or the quaran until you have fully let go of fear of death. in the words of yoda "you must unlearn what you have learned", let go of fear. find peace threw the eastern philosophies then in time go back to the western literature. truely see for what it is.

Religion is the very LAST place you will ever find peace or enlightenment.

TRUE enlightenment cannot happen without LIGHT, the light of god.

Anyone interested in finding enlightenment needs to go straight to the SOURCE of enlightenment.

God does not need a middleman.

Following religion will only lead you AWAY from the truth.

Religion is nothing more than a mind control tool manufactured to keep you deceived and blind to TRUTH.

Religion is nothing but a LIE masquerading as the truth.







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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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I dont know if this video has been posted yet, but the OP seems to be expressing fear of what has been taught as the "Christian" view of hell. This is nothing other than medieval superstition introduced by the Catholic church. If you want to know what the Bible really says about hell, the answer is: not much. But what it does say is different to what yo might expect.

Does God Sen People To Hell?
www.youtube.com...
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posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by LeatherNLace
In the unlikely chance there is a hell, don't worry yourself. If there is a hell, that is where all the fun people will be.


Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven?

Hell is not a place where you have fun with each other, it is not a place like the back row of the classroom. If you dont agree that is your prerogative (for your own sake you better be right) but dont say stuff about hell that is not true. The place you are describing is not hell, it is somewhere/something else and does not merit the name hell. Sure, you will say I dont know that it is true either, but I am not just making up my interpretation of what is accepted as the meaning of "hell" based on wishful thinking, but rather on the accepted theological definition. The OP was not expressing fear on this figment of your imagination that you refer to, but to the theological understanding of hell as a place of eternal suffering.
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