UK Bedroom Tax?, page 1


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Topic started on 7-2-2013 @ 12:18 PM by Agarta
Living in the United States I am not familiar with this legislation(is this the word you use in the UK?) but as of late I have been seeing references to this tax more and more and I just cant seem to understand it. I have read information on it and in fact here is a downloadable list of changes and responsibilities www.spareroom.co.uk... but it still confuses me.

Basically, as I understand it, if you have a rental unit with unused bedrooms you will be taxed for it. I can understand that there are people that could use that space you are currently inhabiting, has this become an issue? or is this just another way of siphoning money from the people? and is this all there is to it?

As I see it, this will effect a lot of people in their ability to maintain a home for themselves financially. I do see it as a way to force people to downgrade to make available those units that can be used for others but I am not sure I agree with forcing the people to pay extra, above what they pay for those rooms, to the Government rather than the owners of the units simply because they are not being used as a bedroom. Please help me to understand the reasoning behind it and how it will ultimately help the people rather than the Government, and is this seen as a good idea by the people of the UK? What are your opinions on the law? And is this going to spread past the boarders of the UK to its territories?(ie is this going to effect Australia and other countries under UK rule)
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reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:24 PM by DAZ21
reply to post by Agarta



From what I understood, I believe it's not a tax per se, but people and families receiving any benefits will risk losing a certain percentage if they live in rented or leased accomodation, in which they have unoccupied spare rooms.

I believe It's to try and get people to think about the space that they truely need and not what they want. It is just another ploy though to rake in some more money really.


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:29 PM by Agarta
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So it is limited to Government funded housing/assistance recipients?
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reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:34 PM by DAZ21
Originally posted by Agarta
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post by DAZ21



So it is limited to Government funded housing/assistance recipients?
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Yes I believe It's only social housing at the moment.


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:36 PM by Agarta
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I am also seeing posts that this could cause riots by April. Personally, I find this as odd if it is really that simple could this be simply fear mongering being promoted or is there something to this?

Edit to add: I am also seeing statements of a Scottish Independence and that Salmond’s government could be more totalitarian than Nulobor. What the heck am I missing?
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reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:44 PM by boymonkey74
reply to post by smilesmcgee



Because it is the councils home, this is only social housing they are not telling people with their own home or rented privately to do so.
I went to my local housing office to see If I can get on the housing list and I have been told I have to wait over 5 years....just because Iam a single man, If I was a 16 year old up the duff I would get one tmr.


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:46 PM by Agarta
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Apparently, they are allowing for subletting to compensate for the tax. I could understand someone you know but a stranger in a home with children doesn't seem safe. Of course I am going on the assumption that most people on council housing have children. Would this over step the contract if it does not allow for subletting?


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:46 PM by DAZ21
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I think the reason for the uproar on this is because of many people with disabilities simply need the extra room sometimes for specialized medical equipment and such. They also need the benefit payments because some of them cannot work and they could lose up to 60 pounds (100 dollars) a month. Which in these times especially is quite a kick in the teeth.

These people will be the victims, but I reckon some people hogging the larger accomodation when they simply don't require it, will move to smaller housing. Which will help larger families get the housing that they need.


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 12:46 PM by skuly
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The best way of thinking about it is the goverment wants to maximise the
space in the social housing as it won't spend any money building more,

The bedroom tax bomb hits in April, and tenants in social housing with so-called "spare rooms" are living in fear. Despite the fact that a three-bedroom housing association flat can be cheaper than a one-bed in the private sector, the architect of this fresh misery, welfare minister, Lord Freud – who lives with his wife in an eight-bedroom country mansion – decided tenants must move, or have money deducted from their housing benefit. One-bedroom flats are rare in the social sector, and claimants, especially those with children, never top a private landlord's wishlist.

Among the families who will be hit by the bedroom tax – whose official title is the "under-occupancy" penalty – are those whose children are serving in the armed forces who may leave their bedroom empty for more than 13 weeks a year while they are on duty – in Afghanistan, say. Their housing benefit will be docked. Likewise, a father separated from his partner and children who has a spare bedroom where his children stay alternative weekends will lose payment for this "extra" room.

Lord Freud told a woman on a Radio 5 Live phone-in whose son may serve in the armed forces that she should get in a lodger while he was away (even though she replied this is against the rules of her housing association)


Guardian

But yes it will cause a lot of anger.

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reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 01:08 PM by glen200376
Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to
post by smilesmcgee



Because it is the councils home, this is only social housing they are not telling people with their own home or rented privately to do so.
I went to my local housing office to see If I can get on the housing list and I have been told I have to wait over 5 years....just because Iam a single man, If I was a 16 year old up the duff I would get one tmr.
According to Cameron in Prime Ministers Questions yesterday,Labour brought in legislation years ago that does the same in private rents if payed for with housing benefit-the benefit wont pay for extra rooms.
I eventually got a council flat before Christmas after waiting six years,I too am a single man which to them means back of the line.


reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 01:13 PM by glen200376
reply to post by aspiechick



You snob.You want the council to sell your neighbours council house?Need I remind you that this is why there are people waiting years to get a council home and sleeping on friends and familys sofas etc.
Margaret Thatcher would love you.

Edit:Arent you an American immigrant?
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reply posted on 7-2-2013 @ 01:18 PM by glen200376
reply to post by andy06shake



If you were a refugee you would get a room for each kid and fully furnished right down to cutlery.Oh and you would also get more to live on than a pensioner who has paid tax all their life.
There's something far wrong with that.
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