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Ex-officer suspect in California cop killing

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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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Whats the deflection? They citizens burned a city up, and had the LAPD on the ropes! Then what happened? They allowed the LAPD to continue the corruption. Have I missed something?



Sounds to me like you're now condoning violence. Wasn't someone just throwing around that H word?

Hypocrite I believe it was?




posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Buffalo2LA

Originally posted by sonnny1
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Whats the deflection? They citizens burned a city up, and had the LAPD on the ropes! Then what happened? They allowed the LAPD to continue the corruption. Have I missed something?



Sounds to me like you're now condoning violence. Wasn't someone just throwing around that H word?

Hypocrite I believe it was?


Nope.

I am stating a fact, at what the "citizens" did in LA.

So, can you answer the question?



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Illuminaughty8

And anyone driving a pickup is a target in LAPD's eyes. By my count they've both shot the same number of innocent people.


I suppose those who were wrongfully shot, should seek vigilante style justice, to even the score, hey?







not a fair question

vigilante justice isn't what this is or is about ... don't make it into something it isn't.

revenge is one thing ... VJ is something else all together.

to answer your question tho ... let's just say if they did, it certainly would resolve the 'trigger-happy' syndrome many LEOs seem to be suffering these days.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:20 AM
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All night you have been the most outspoken poster about how violence is never the answer and his actions are wrong and undermine his whole point. Yet when called out on your high and mighty position of "the citizens should have handled this" your solution is

the entire community should go to "war" with the LAPD?

Where do you think more innocent lives will be lost? In city wide riots and fire or by one man sacrificing himself and a few others so the entire city doesn't have to?

If ANYTHING you now just gave FAR more validation to his cause and the argument he is actually SAVING lives.

You SERIOUSLY just lost all credibility with me. You can talk a big shoulda, woulda, coulda game and play Monday Morning QB, but when push comes to shove you got nothing and go right to an answer filled with violence.

And here I was giving you credit for making a well timed joke about the "can't we all just get along".



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Buffalo2LA

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Buffalo2LA
 


Whats the deflection? They citizens burned a city up, and had the LAPD on the ropes! Then what happened? They allowed the LAPD to continue the corruption. Have I missed something?



Sounds to me like you're now condoning violence. Wasn't someone just throwing around that H word?

Hypocrite I believe it was?


Nope.

I am stating a fact, at what the "citizens" did in LA.

So, can you answer the question?


Here is your answer. YES you DID miss something.

You missed responding to the original question of HOW SHOULD WE THE CITIZENS RESOLVE THE LAPD ISSUE WITHOUT BLOODSHED??

And your response was there should be another city wide riot.

You tried to make a snarky comment to deflect from the fact you had no intelligent answer to being called on your judgement that the "citizens" should handle this. Instead it just exposed you as full of it.

Sit back and judge, but you have NOTHING when it comes time to list alternative options. Classic internet gangster.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93

not a fair question

vigilante justice isn't what this is or is about ... don't make it into something it isn't.




Sorry Honor, but if you read through these posts, there are many that want this man to succeed. There are many that are willing to help him with support. There are many that condone this type of vigilante style justice. There are some that believe this is a legitimate war. The question was asked, because of the responses in the thread.


What is Christopher Dorner . Vigilante, Terrorist, Soldier, Ex-Cop, Criminal ?

You tell me.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Honor93

not a fair question

vigilante justice isn't what this is or is about ... don't make it into something it isn't.




Sorry Honor, but if you read through these posts, there are many that want this man to succeed. There are many that are willing to help him with support. There are many that condone this type of vigilante style justice. There are some that believe this is a legitimate war. The question was asked, because of the responses in the thread.


What is Christopher Dorner . Vigilante, Terrorist, Soldier, Ex-Cop, Criminal ?

You tell me.







And yet you want us to burn the city down again!!!!

You're officially more delusional than you think Dorner is. At least (right or wrong) he is doing something about the problem, your just judging and then contradicting your entire argument when asked to provide the answer you pretend to have.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:30 AM
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Question for you gun knowledgeable folks out there, i have lived in LA most of my life and i have NEVER seen police equipped with Silencer or Flash suppressors. Are these flash suppressor they are using? If they are silencers or flash suppressors that is pretty strange because i didn't think police could use them? Anyone know?






posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by Buffalo2LA

Here is your answer. YES you DID miss something.

You missed responding to the original question of HOW SHOULD WE THE CITIZENS RESOLVE THE LAPD ISSUE WITHOUT BLOODSHED??

And your response was there should be another city wide riot.

You tried to make a snarky comment to deflect from the fact you had no intelligent answer to being called on your judgement that the "citizens" should handle this. Instead it just exposed you as full of it.

Sit back and judge, but you have NOTHING when it comes time to list alternative options. Classic internet gangster.


WRONG.

You missed something.

Read through the thread. I gave my response pages ago....

Second, ad hominem attacks are frowned upon. Your whole post, is reflective of it.





Third, the citizens are the only ones that CAN do something about it.

NOWHERE did I say a riot would solve the problem. I stated that the riot had the LAPD on he ropes.

That's a fact.





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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:40 AM
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U.S. Navy installations throughout California and Nevada were "maintaining a heightened security posture," a U.S. military official told CNN.

"Security personnel are on the lookout" for Dorner, the official said. The measure was ordered overnight by Rear Adm. Dixon Smith, commander of the Navy's southwest region.

The official declined to discuss security procedures, but said the move was made after it became clear that Dorner earlier this week gained access to the Naval Base at Point Loma and stayed in a motel there.

Two sailors reported that he approached them Wednesday and spoke with them for about 10 minutes. The conversation took place at a coastal "riverine" unit in San Diego where Dorner served in 2006. As a Navy reservist, Dorner held security jobs with that unit.

The Navy is not certain whether Dorner still possesses any military identification he might try to use to enter a facility. The official said an investigation is under way to determine what military identification he might have.

Dorner underwent flight training in 2009 at Naval Air Station Fallon in Nevada before serving in San Diego.



What is a rivertine unit?


The Riverine Squadrons of the United States Navy are elements of the Navy Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC). According to the Navy: “The Navy’s Riverine force focuses on conducting Maritime Security Operations and Theater Security Cooperation in a riverine area of operations or other suitable area. The force is capable of combating enemy riverine forces by applying fires directly, or by coordinating supporting fires. It will share battle space with the other Services in an effort to close the seams in Doctrine, Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures, and Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance.” [1]

As of 2008, three riverine squadrons were active in the Navy, all under the command of Riverine Group 1, located in Norfolk, Virginia. Riverine Squadron 1 (RIVRON 1) deployed to Iraq in April 2007 and was relieved by Riverine Squadron 2 (RIVRON 2) in October 2007. [2] Riverine Squadron 3 (RIVRON 3) was established in July 2007 [3] and relieved RIVRON 2 in Iraq when their deployment completed in April 2008.





posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by Buffalo2LA

And yet you want us to burn the city down again!!!!

You're officially more delusional than you think Dorner is. At least (right or wrong) he is doing something about the problem, your just judging and then contradicting your entire argument when asked to provide the answer you pretend to have.



Yawn.

More attacks I see.

Again, I never said riots was an answer. Please quote me where I say this.

Again, calling me delusional......


Can you stop with the personal attacks please?

I am sorry my answer doesn't fit into your nice little box. The citizens PAY the Taxes, for the police departments to operate.

They have all the say in the World, when it comes to fixing the problems. Its too bad they are all asleep, to actually fix their problems city wide.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:48 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:50 AM
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What else is in point loma?

Military Point Loma is home to several major military installations including the US Navy's SPAWAR program, the US Marine Corps' Recruit Training Depot (MCRD San Diego) and Naval Base Point Loma. The Navy controls approximately 1,800 acres (730 ha) of Point Loma and provides employment to about 48,000 military personnel and civilians. [3]

Naval Base Point Loma, at the southern end of Rosecrans Street in the La Playa area, is the home of Submarine Squadron 11, with several nuclear fast-attack submarines, and the Naval Mine and Anti-Submarine Warfare Command, including eight Avenger class mine countermeasures ships. [43] The naval base also houses extensive electronic and communications operations (including the former Naval Electronics Laboratory) serving the Pacific Fleet. At the southern end of the peninsula is historic Fort Rosecrans, site of the U.S. Army’s Coast Artillery Corps during World War I and World War II. Fort Rosecrans also includes the Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery and the USS Bennington Monument.

wiki



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:51 AM
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hey, no apology necessary.
yes, i've been reading along and to be honest, early-on, i supported his evasiveness and hoped he succeeded. i won't lie.

however, after reading his manifesto (if what i read really is His manifesto) i'm leaning much harder toward another FF


we knew they'd be delivered in rapid succession.
we've talked about it for years ... why is anyone really surprised ?

i am not one who would offer support based on MSM reports.
those who would, well, what does that tell ya ?

i don't know the whole of the story so i reserve opinion in that matter but i will say this, if this man is at WAR with this agency/government, his SOP is acceptable.

no, i don't like the idea and i don't believe threats are the answer either, however, when the LAPD responds as they have, i believe there is much more to his story than we are being told.

since when do LEOs have authority to 'fire on sight', IN PUBLIC to boot ??
for that reason alone, i still support him.

and to be honest, until i can confirm (if ever) that the posted manifesto was authored by him, i'm not buying it ... some time ago, i would have but that was then and this is now.
[i just can't let go of the fact that a 'drone' training facility is located in Torrence]
source

i would love to believe that all fires can be extinguished with buckets of water but we both know that just isn't true.

right vs wrong ??
when one's life is on the line, does such a thing really exist ?

do 2 wrongs make a right ??
sometimes, they really do.

What is Christopher Dorner ?? ... an American
since when isn't that enough ?



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:52 AM
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So let's assume that everything Dorner says is 100% accurate, and all the corruption he says he saw is in fact legit, and that he was fired for the reasons he states.

Let's also assume that his manifesto is legit and was written by him. A manifesto in which he lays out what he intends to do, and who he intends to harm.

If we assume those first two points to be true, it's not hard to assume that he may have been the one that killed Quan's daughter and fiancee, and also the killing of a police officer.

Nowhere is it said by Dorner himself or anybody else that the LAPD phsically harmed him, or any member of his family, so why then would it be acceptable for him to kill anybody? He was fired from his job! Was it an unjust firing? perhaps, but they did not shoot him or his friends and family after firing him. It's completely understandable for him to "snap" and "lose it" after having so much taken from him(people have lost it for far less), but he was not physically harmed in any way.

I agree that the LAPD is most likely corrupt, and I'm sure in some way he was wronged by that agency, but that doesn't give somebody the right to go on a killing spree if that is indeed what he is doing. Granted, the three assumptions I made to start this post could be completely false, they could be completely true, or they could have varying degrees of truth and falsehood, but at this point that's all we have. It does seem a bit disturbing that so many people on here are totally fine with Dorner killing people(even innocent people not directly involved) and seem to be supporting him in his "war".



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Buffalo2LA

And yet you want us to burn the city down again!!!!

You're officially more delusional than you think Dorner is. At least (right or wrong) he is doing something about the problem, your just judging and then contradicting your entire argument when asked to provide the answer you pretend to have.



Yawn.

More attacks I see.

Again, I never said riots was an answer. Please quote me where I say this.

Again, calling me delusional......


Can you stop with the personal attacks please?

I am sorry my answer doesn't fit into your nice little box. The citizens PAY the Taxes, for the police departments to operate.

They have all the say in the World, when it comes to fixing the problems. Its too bad they are all asleep, to actually fix their problems city wide.


Personal Attacks?? Commenting on your mental state based on your responses is a valid opinion.

Secondly, YOU are NOT saying anything.

I have asked you REPEATEDLY how do you expect the citizens to bring about change against a corrupt organized military unit without bloodshed!

The closest you have come to a response was implying riots are the answer.

You keep giving generic responses that don't mean anything.

"We'll the citizens pay the taxes"

That's not a SOLUTION or an intelligent answer. Thats just a fact the same as "I'm sitting on the couch right now"

Get off your horse and give an intelligent answer about how you bring change TODAY (not 1993) to the LAPD without bloodshed?

YOU HAVE NO ANSWER BECAUSE THEIR IS NONE. IF there was it would have been explored by now.

So stop hiding behind the "waa personal attacks" so you don't have to address the true original question.

YOU BLAMED THE CITIZENS OF LA AND THEN TURNED TO VIOLENCE FOR YOUR ANSWER.



posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by unfor54k3n
Question for you gun knowledgeable folks out there, i have lived in LA most of my life and i have NEVER seen police equipped with Silencer or Flash suppressors. Are these flash suppressor they are using? If they are silencers or flash suppressors that is pretty strange because i didn't think police could use them? Anyone know?





ooh.. someone's been getting shiny things from the DRMO's law enforcement program.

They are military-issue SOPMOD M4 assault rifles with some aftermarket tacti-cool tosser stuff tacked on.

Here's the SOPMOD kit:

img.imtwelve.com...

Here's some further info about the DoD's DRMO Law Enforcement program - www.dispositionservices.dla.mil...

Militarizing your local law enforcement - one surplus-to-requirements firearm at a time.

Good news for the criminals though - used to be an Olympic Arms semi-auto AR-15 carried by the police as a patrol rifle. Now it's a full-on military select-fire M4 carbine. Should be worth a pretty penny on LA's weapons black market. It makes LAPD officers and their vehicles nice, profitable targets for criminals to hit. Man, some agencies are staffed by freakin' idiots.

Edit: the things hanging off the muzzle of the weapons are SOCOM flash/sound suppressors. The year 2001 called - they want their formerly state-of-the-art military weapon accessories back. Quite unfashionable.
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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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It's not just on here though. Check out #dorner or #lapd on twitter, tons of support for him. Especially from those in LA.



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posted on Feb, 9 2013 @ 03:04 AM
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Good point.

Something that really stood out here:
From CIA Special Operations Group

Special Activities Division - Organization
Part of the CIA's National Cladestine Service, the Special Activities Division is thought to include around 150 paramilitaries, pilots and other specialists. When deployed to the field, they typically operate in 6 man or fewer teams, with many a mission carried out by a solo SAD operative. CIA Special Operations Group Paramilitaries often work on joint operations alongside Delta, DevGru, Special Forces etc.
Notice the "with many a missions carried out by a solo SAD operative"
Then there is this:

Ground Branch
SAD Ground Branch operatives are experts in field craft, surveillance, small arms, hostage rescue, CQB and advanced driving.
Sound familiar?


***THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY MY OPINION***


Could this whole event be part of a shadow war?

***THE PRIOR THOUGHT WAS ONLY MY OPINION***





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