Originally posted by NewAgeMan
No, Crowley reversed it, and said
Do as thou WILL - love under WILL.
He made the WILL the first cause, instead of the love by which freedom reigns supreme.
The will of God is the will to love and love is the reason for creation.
St. Augustine had it right and Crowley had it wrong, and the second version is Satanic.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Unity_99
I've often thought that because of the contrast and the opportunity for learning and growth, souls may be lined up to get here, from here to Alpha Centauri, and beyond, that is if there is a prior soul choice for being incarnated in this realm which there may very well be.
How ironic then the degree to which so many absolutely hate their own lives, and the world at large, now that they're here.
George Bernard Shaw wrote the following sentence in a letter prefacing his book “Man and Superman: a Comedy and Philosophy” which can be used as a guide to living a meaningful, productive and joyful life:
This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; the being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy.
George Bernard Shaw
Epistle Dedicatory to Arthur Bingham Walkley
“Man and Superman: a Comedy and a Philosophy”
The following is an elaboration on the four points that George Bernard Shaw makes to finding the true joy in life:
1) “Be used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one” – This quote could easily be mistaken to mean that we should have some elaborate goals to save the world and unless we do we are worthless. This is not true. We are children of God who are here to express God’s divinity (as explained in Enlightenment and the Meaning of Life) and we should go about our lives with this in mind. We should infuse everything we do with joy, compassion, peace, love and wisdom. This is the “mighty purpose” which we should recognize.
2) “Be thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap” – We should be productive! However, again, this could be misunderstood to mean that we must be busy, busy, busy all day and collapse in exhaustion by nightfall. It’s good to be active and have things to do but realize that we’re divinely productive when we infuse whatever we do, even just conversing with others, with good cheer, goodwill, courage and beauty.
3) “Be a force of Nature” – This could be misconstrued to mean that we should run roughshod over people who get in the way of what we want to do. To be a force of Nature (notice that it’s with a capital “N”) is to be a person who is in control of themselves and has a higher perspective on life. This person is mature, wise, serene and joyful and understands the meaning of life.
4) Not be “a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy” – This is a continuation of the previous point and it emphasizes the idea that we need to learn how to control the impulses and desires of our lower self. Specifically we need to stop being petty, immature, greedy, self-centered, possessive, envious and jealous.
We need to GROW UP and realize how wonderful life is no matter what our circumstances!
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by capod2t
I've been through more than one mountain top experience and, "dark night of the soul", seeking the same thing, and at one point I felt as if I was under attack from certain "powers and principalities", but from what I've read about these types of journeys, that's the last stage which comes as a test. It seemed to have something to do with judgement (my own) and duality (of good and evil), so I decided, as I went to sleep one night close to Christmastime of 2011, to utterly give myself to God while forgiving ALL, whether spirits, bad aliens, the Pope, the Queen of England, my father, myself, you name it, and then I had what in hindsight I consider to be the strangest experience of my life.
In the middle of the night I woke up suddenly, as if awakened and sat bolt upright, and the perception was that I was quite literally at the end of time, because it was the end of judgement, and although it's hard to describe, I was "filled in" on a Great Joke, so funny, I could not stop laughing, but because I'm a smoker something went awry and my laughter turned to gagging, and so there I was on my floor laughing and gagging and heaving, while exclaiming "How did you KNOW?!" because it was as if I'd come to the end of the line where even Satan or "the devil within" was forgiven, and the joke was being told by God to me, about me, and about every facet of our human folly and human ignorance.
Accompanying this absolute hilarity at "the end of time" there was also a level of freedom, and liberation I never even knew existed, so laughing hysterically, after the gagging had subsided, I kind of ran around going "what do I do NOW?" which made the experience even funnier, because when all paths are open, and you go one way to do one thing, they both close on that choice and yet remain open, paradoxically. It was an absolute liberation and hyper-freedom that I'd never experienced before, and all the while I had the distinct impression that my reaction and response to the experience was being recorded.. as if on some sort of God-channel reality TV show, as a shared joke at the expense of our prior ignorance with me as the focal point of observation.
I eventually settled down, and the wet towel my upstairs roommate threw in my face, helped a little bit - he wasn't too pleased with my outburst but his own reaction just made me laugh all the more. He was concerned that the neighbors might have heard something (he's very image conscious). LOL
Anyway, who knows, maybe it was just a psychotic breakdown of some kind, but because of my absolute release from judgement and absolute trust in God, even in the face of persecution by "evil forces", it was as if I was rewarded with a taste of who God really is, and if I'm right, he is simultaneously THE most intelligent, the most loving, the most liberating and the FUNNIEST being in the history of time and space, even to the degree of knowing in advance, with the utmost precision just where we'll be when we'll encounter him.
I also learned from the experience that absolute forgiveness and release from judgement = absolute liberation, and that in the space of absolute unfettered freedom in a shared triumph over all evil, is absolute self knowledge that we really are a "child of God". But I never expected God to be that playful or that humorous, or that knowledgeable in matters of time and space, because in that moment I knew that he knew and ALWAYS knew all the way along, that I would encounter him at that very moment, like he was secretly planning it all along.
It's an incredible paradox the fact of our freedom and liberation relative to a God who transcends time and space, and who's therefore one step ahead of us, ALL the way down the line, and funny, I cannot begin to describe the humor there, or the domain of liberation and freedom that is available in that creative space of new possibility that God freely makes available to us.
I don't know if this helped at all, and I realize that a lot of people reading this will have a hard time understanding how God could be a great joker in the midst of all the sorrow and suffering of the world, to them such humor probably smacks of evil or wickedness, but it was just this side of wickedness and evil, without going over the line.
He is so smart, so loving.
Thank you for the opportunity to remind myself of the nature of the living God from my own encounter and experience. But it can be a terror (to the ego) to find one's self in his hands. In fact, I don't think it's the kind of thing that people are really interested in (that's funny!), because just one touch from the living God is enough to put any person right over the edge and cause them to lose their mind and sanity. Then again perhaps that's just what a lot of people are in dire need of, so that they won't take themselves and their life as seriously any more, while taking God much more seriously as the infinitely intelligent Alpha and Omega of existence, and beyond, and the Universal comedian, without compare.
Punk'd by God
from the OP of the thread Have you been Punk'd by God the Master conspirator?
Originally posted by troubleshooter
God's Conspiracy is to blindside the wise, learned, mighty and noble...
...and most of you have been punk'd.
God first said He would do this through His prophet Isaiah who wrote in the 8th century BC...
"...behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid." Isaiah 29:14
Paul quotes from Isaiah in his first letter to Corinth (one of the undisputed letters of Paul)...
"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent (learned, intelligent). 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Corinthians 1:19-20
He did it by turning the human notions of wisdom on its head...
"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:" 1 Corinthians 1:26-28
God designed a way to reveal Himself that would be rejected by the world's best and brightest...
...and it is still blindsiding those who think they are special because of wealth, education or power.
How did God punk most of you?
He revealed Himself as a babe, conceived and born in scandal...
...as a man He healed the sick, sided with the oppressed and raised the dead...
...He opposed the religious and secular elite...
...who executed Him for telling them who He really was...
...but He then turned this corporate murder into a victory over death itself.
Paul said it like this...
"...the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
Your responses will reveal whether you have been punk'd by God or not.
Originally posted by apushforenlightment
I think I will answer the post with this video. It seem fitting;
Originally posted by Shema
But I am throwing a wet cloth on your humor and I apologize but then, like myself, you can smile through anything so it doesn't matter, really, does it?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Unity_99
Karmic S&M doesn't really work for me either. It doesn't and can't work that way, and imho Jesus came to put an end to that, and to prevent a karmic cataclysm, but we're wandering off a bit now into the realm of metaphysical speculation.
I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I feel compelled here to try to decribe this "joke of the ages" as I experienced it, although no words can really capture what it was, at the time that it happened to me, but I'll try, here goes..
It begins with a sudden epiphany of absolute liberation due to a radical tranformative forgiveness of one and all, here and everywhere, where I guess the fundamental presupposition is that absolute forgiveness is absolute freedom/liberation, perhaps with only one condition, or one thing to DO, involving our most grevious sin, against our own self (which in the light of such awareness is itself extremely humorous), and so the laughter begins.. but it gets better. Since all has been forgiven, every aspect of our prior self, and all our foibles becomes a source of immense humor (as does that of the others with whom we interact or have relationships, since everything is now so perfectly clear in the light of the truth and perfect awareness), and so laughing at ourselves, and 100% liberated to be absolutely freely self-expressed, our first inclination may be to immediate run to someone we know, to let them know that we absolutely forgive them, while also seeking their absolute forgiveness, all the while laughing as the joke just seems to keep on getting better and better. They of course, on encountering us, may be horrified, even terrified, and so they'll immediately thow up their defence shield of judgements and all manner of assumptions about us, and themselves, and seeing this, OMG the joke gets even FUNNIER, but wait there's more...! Falling down in a heap of laughter, we may now beg them not to assume anything, and desperately attempt to assure them, through tears, not of sorrow, but of laughter and joy that we are most assuredly NOT laughing AT them, at all! Still further horrified at our abhorent behavior in relation to them (hysterical) their first concern might be that we've awakened the neighbors! LOL some MORE! Recognizing their fear (lol) and amid their urgent pleading that we "calm down", after throwing a wet towel in our face (lol), we take heed and walk away, saying to ourself "ok, he's right, calm down, calm down (still giggling). Then it may occur to us that being absolutely free, we simply don't know what to DO or where the heck to GO - OMG what do I do NOW? Where do I go? (LOL) [if God could speak he would remind us here that we are entirely free to do and go where we WANT! lol some more!] "Ok ok, this can't be happening" we might think to ourselves - what can't be happening we might then ask ourselves? of course it's happening, nothing can't not happen for God's sake! lol
Perhaps then thrown into a panic, running this way and that, realizing that freedom is all around us, no matter WHAT we do or WHERE we go, a hiliarious panic might set in, and so we might run fleeing into a prison cell of our own making, the one we USED to inhabit for no reason at all (prison of absurdity), and there, laughing like an insane madman at the sheer beauty of it all, while thanking God for such hyper-freedom as this, along comes God to open the DOOR (he might even first knock, just to be polite!), "saying" as it were, don't be afraid, come on out and play and laugh some MORE! "Oh God" we say, you're just TOO FUNNY I don't know if I can DO THIS? "Why not?" God seems to ask, and so weeping and laughing tears of joy and immense gratitude, free to come and go, we exclaim "on no, I just don't know what to DO now, now I'm royally screwed in the best possible way, maybe I should start by quitting smoking, but oh God this has just been so stressful, do you mind if I put it off until the new year sometime?! LOL LOL LOL
That's sort of what it was like..