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Hybrid car pioneer and “father of the Prius” Takeshi Uchiyamada says the billions poured into developing battery electric vehicles have ultimately been in vain. "Because of its shortcomings--driving range, cost and recharging time--the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars," said Uchiyamada. "We need something entirely new."
Uchiyamada’s comments come as the U.S. Department of Energy announced Thursday that the government is backing off President Barack Obama’s promise to put one million electric cars on American roads by 2015. As Breitbart News reported last September, there are just 30,000 electric cars on American roads.
"Whether we meet that goal in 2015 or 2016, that's less important than that we're on the right path to get many millions of these vehicles on the road," said an Energy Department official.
President Obama made promotion of electric vehicles a key component of his green initiative. Last September, the Congressional Budget Office reported that federal policies to prop up and promote electric cars will cost taxpayers $7.5 billion through 2019.
Several of the electric car companies Obama has funneled taxpayer funds to have floundered. U.S. electric battery maker A123 Systems, which received a $249 million taxpayer-funded government loan, announced last year its decision to sell a controlling stake to Wanxiang, a Chinese company, for $450 million. Similarly, lithium-ion battery manufacturer Ener1, Inc., which received a $118.5 million taxpayer-funded grant, filed for bankruptcy. And another company, Aptera Motors, has already folded.
“The electric car, after more than 100 years of development and several brief revivals, still is not ready for prime time--and may never be,” concludes Reuters.
1. Ethanol:
Ethanol is an alcohol-based alternative fuel that is made by fermenting and distilling crops such as corn, barley or wheat. Ethanol can be blended with gasoline to increase octane levels and improve emissions quality.
2. Natural Gas:
Natural gas is an alternative fuel that burns clean and is already widely available to people in many countries through utilities that provide natural gas to homes and businesses. When used in natural gas vehicles—cars and trucks with specially designed engines—natural gas produces far fewer harmful emissions than gasoline or diesel.
3. Hydrogen:
Hydrogen can be mixed with natural gas to create an alternative fuel for vehicles that use certain types of internal combustion engines. Hydrogen is also used in fuel-cell vehicles that run on electricity produced by the petrochemical reaction that occurs when hydrogen and oxygen are combined in the fuel “stack.”
4. Propane:
Propane—also called liquefied petroleum gas or LPG—is a byproduct of natural gas processing and crude oil refining. Already widely used as a fuel for cooking and heating, propane is also a popular alternative fuel for vehicles. Propane produces fewer emissions than gasoline, and there is also a highly developed infrastructure for propane transport, storage and distribution.
5. Biodiesel:
Biodiesel is an alternative fuel based on vegetable oils or animal fats, even those recycled after restaurants have used them for cooking. Vehicle engines can be converted to burn biodiesel in its pure form, and biodiesel can also be blended with petroleum diesel and used in unmodified engines. Biodiesel is safe, biodegradable, reduces air pollutants associated with vehicle emissions, such as particulate matter, carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons.
6. Methanol:
Methanol, also known as wood alcohol, can be used as an alternative fuel in flexible fuel vehicles that are designed to run on M85, a blend of 85 percent methanol and 15 percent gasoline, but automakers are no longer manufacturing methanol-powered vehicles. Methanol could become an important alternative fuel in the future, however, as a source of the hydrogen needed to power fuel-cell vehicles.
7. P-Series:
P-Series fuels are a blend of ethanol, natural gas liquids and methyltetrahydrofuran (MeTHF), a co-solvent derived from biomass. P-Series fuels are clear, high-octane alternative fuels that can be used in flexible fuel vehicles. P-Series fuels can be used alone or mixed with gasoline in any ratio by simply adding it to the tank.
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Originally posted by yourmaker
Because gasoline is still existent and monopolized there is currently no necessity to work on electric cars to their fullest potential extent.
Originally posted by haven123
they arnt viable,PROFITble though
Originally posted by eXia7
What say you ATS?
Is electric battery powered vehicles a waste of time, or should we turn our efforts in a new direction?
Originally posted by themaster1
The top speed of the next gen charging stations it's 20 minute (for a full recharging 0%->100% ) not bad compared to the 8 hours previously., it's japanese tech indeed
Originally posted by yourmaker
Because gasoline is still existent and monopolized there is currently no necessity to work on electric cars to their fullest potential extent.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Originally posted by yourmaker
Because gasoline is still existent and monopolized there is currently no necessity to work on electric cars to their fullest potential extent.
Basically true. The development of alternative transportation systems depends on market forces. As long as gas prices remain relatively low, whether by monopoly or subsidy, it remains the most economically viable choice. When it gets too expensive for average slobs to use it to get to work then people will stop using it, and if the gas companies and car companies want to stay in business they'll have to offer affordable alternatives.
Sure, it takes a little while for infrastructures to be built -- we don't have any giant car battery swapping stations on every corner yet (why take time to charge them when you can just pop them out and put in a charged one?) -- but it's surprising how fast things can change when people are motivated. Just look at how quickly we got rid of our tube TVs and computer monitors.
edit on 6-2-2013 by Blue Shift because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by th3dudeabides
reply to post by eXia7
it was never capable of being a replacement. It was for the sucker's who "want to make a difference." Green, liberal, pc police types who think they can change the world if only we can stop smokers from smoking, and people from eating meat. Hopeless naively idealogues who refuse to face facts. Humans are like deer on an island that are facing overshoot.
Originally posted by eXia7
Originally posted by themaster1
The top speed of the next gen charging stations it's 20 minute (for a full recharging 0%->100% ) not bad compared to the 8 hours previously., it's japanese tech indeed
Faster is better, and I believe battery powered vehicles have their place, but for long distances, they still can't get very far, plus batteries are very costly to produce, and purchase.
I think for crowded cities, and short distances, small 2 seat vehicles and up to 4 seat vehicles would be nice. Save on space, and emissions.
I remember seeing a fuel cell time line for automobiles....that would be in production by now had the timeline been executed.
Originally posted by benrl
With advances in battery tech who knows what tomorrow will bring, Right now yeah they don't compare with a gas powered car.
But there have been some exciting advances out of places like MIT with battery tech, things that wont just double battery life but 100x current standards.