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posted on Feb, 13 2013 @ 10:52 PM
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My reply pertains to his statements about the Geometry of either a persons soul or spirit.

Morality is a relative and subjective concept since different people from different cultures and different geographic locations have very different ideas about what is or is not Morally Acceptable.

My take on what is Moral or not is based upon my hope to be treated as I would like to be treated by others. I also believe the single greatest Immoral Act a person can perform is to attempt to force their sense of Morality upon others.

Since I have been all over...I have known for many decades that what you or I might find as completely acceptable for others is an act of Evil. As well as what you or I think to be acceptable being in the eyes of others a great immoral act.

When it comes down to any person attempting to convince others or another that what they are doing is an immoral act...and that such a person not only taking issue but also passing Judgement upon others as they believe themselves to be so Righteous as to blind themselves to other possibilities....is something that I see as a very big joke that is known to all but the so called Righteous.

Split Infinity




posted on Feb, 14 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
A very good post at the start, but then it keeps equating adult homosexuality with pedophilia.


I didn't equate, I said there are people in the world that disagrees and agrees with both behaviors...I didn't say they were related or equal. Any relationship might be only that they are both behaviors and ones that come from physical conditions.



Furthermore, it claims that homosexuals somehow caused AIDS, which is just ludicrous, jingoistic and ignorant.
Writing from SA which bore the brunt of the recent sub-Saharan pandemic (98 percent of the global HIV/AIDS epidemic) these statements are mind-blowingly false. The pandemic here is largely heterosexual.


I don't know how old you are, but I lived through that era and HIV was deeply infected in the homosexual community about the time it started to spread into the heterosexual world. Even today the percentage of infection is much higher with homosexual. I also didn't say homosexuals "caused" aids...they just spread it to turn it into a pandemic.



To myself pedophilia and exploitation are wrong, but I'd never say this makes all heterosexuality wrong or immoral.


So you are saying that pedophilia and exploitation is only a heterosexual behavior? Or are homosexual, heterosexual, pedophilia, exploitation (and 1000s more) ALL behaviors?

Is there a reason one is required to agree with ALL behaviors? My point was why if I disagree with a 1000 different behaviors it is OK unless one is homosexuality.

I used pedophilia and exploitation as behavior examples we can both disagree with.... As I said, I can care less, but I do find it disturbing that a person can disagree with ALL behaviors other than homosexuality.


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posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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I think it's a great post.

Generally our history in SA with HIV/AIDS is very different.

All kinds of theories are welcome, as long as people aren't put into a unique "hell".



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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So you are saying that pedophilia and exploitation is only a heterosexual behavior? Or are homosexual, heterosexual, pedophilia, exploitation (and 1000s more) ALL behaviors?

Is there a reason one is required to agree with ALL behaviors? My point was why if I disagree with a 1000 different behaviors it is OK unless one is homosexuality.

What do you mean by behaviour?

Sexual orientation isn't sex. Sex is an expression of it. Sexual orientation encompasses a plethora of psychological phenomena. If you're a man, and you have sex with a woman, that's not how heterosexuality is defined, that's merely acting on your attraction towards her sexually. It's the attraction underlying it that defines heterosexuality. For instance, if it was defined as the act of sex itself, that would imply virgins don't have a sexual orientation. Which isn't true. They don't inherent one the first time they have sex... there was attraction towards a particular gender(s) prior to that.

Now. You can of course not agree with homosexuality. You can also agree with paedophilia. You can also agree with slavery. You can and should be free to agree and or disagree with any of the ones you mentioned.

You mentioned pedophilia and slavery as an example of something we mutually disagree with. Good. You're right, not all should be met with agreement. But we didn't just randomly decide not to agree with them, we (society) collectively deliberated how 'bad' or 'good' they are and made an ethical decision. Paedophilia and slavery have obvious negative and damaging consequences. Can you make a solid case against homosexuality in a similar fashion? The 'agreement' people in support of LGBT want is nothing more and nothing less than equal treatment. Reason being there is nothing inherently 'bad' about the orientation.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Pedophilia creates a victim. As does slavery. As does bestiality.

Homosexuality does not. It is two consenting people doing something that doesn't cause a victim.

You cannot even begin to equate homosexuality with pedophilia. It is like comparing biting your nails with murder.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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I'm also sure you would go down the path of saying homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone, and I would suggest it unleashed HIV on the world and is still even today the highest risk group for sexual transmitted diseases.


Not sure I understand your point.

You make it sound as though it was this premeditated malicious plan from gay people.

People in general were spreading it, because they didn't know they had it, lacked education, didn't use protection, etc... It transfers at higher rate through anal sex. That's not their fault, it's an unfortunate circumstance. The real culprit is the fact people in general didn't test for it, and employ protection.

Gay people shouldn't stop having sex. We should educate, provide testing, provide protection. Ultimately put more R & D towards a cure.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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well i think the caucasian race is in dire need of having its homosexuals turn into heteros. we're about to blink out of existence here in the next 50 years, give or take a decade.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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If you're willing can you provide the evidence for that in my 'extinction' thread?



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:22 PM
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It seems to me that the majority of mammals on this planet are majority heterosexual. Otherwise we representative mammals would no longer exist as our various species? The minority of people that are homosexual and the minority of mammals as a whole that are not contributing to their respective gene pools are self rate limited. Homosexuality is a self limiting anomalous minority in that the gene pool reduces itself very effectively by behavioral attrition. I have no problem with gay marriage in that it helps to reduce from the gene pool those in humankind who are not interested in contributing to the human race genetically. It is what it is.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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If you're willing can you provide the evidence for that in my 'extinction' thread?


k i just posted in it.



posted on Feb, 15 2013 @ 10:30 PM
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HIV and AIDS is a SIMIAN origin VIRUS that first infected Humans when some people either had sex with a Rhesus Monkey and through bodily fluid transfer contracted the virus or a person ATE BUSH MEAT which is the consumption of Monkey or various Great Apes and is prevelent through out Africa....whci is notably the area of the world where HIV and AIDS came from.

Gay Men became the AIDS Poster Demographic as the form of sexual behavior that is specific to Gay Men allows the virus to be transfered much easier that either Lesbian sexual activities or Non-Anal Heterosexual sexual activity.

This fact is specific to the specifics of how direct body fluid to membrane or open wound or Blood to Blood transfer which occured prior to the screening of Donated Blood for the virus.

The statements that AIDS is a GAY VIRUS or even more rediculous that AIDS is a Punishment sent by GOD upon Homosexuals are inventions of those who are ignorant of the reality of how a Simian Venerial Virus that Humans have no immunity due to the fact the virus not only attacks our immune system but also since Humans and Monkeys and Apes share a common ancestor and are both Primates as well as very close Genetically....Humans can contract this disease.

I am aware of several Military associates who have since past away due to having been given HIV Tainted Blood after being injured in the field. One in particular attempted to get justice from the Military only to have his reputation and good name destroyed and in a end of life request he asked me to use my influence to effect change so that any other Soldier and in his case a Decorated Officer who gave EVERYTHING for his country...would never have to go through the trauma and HELL he had to go through....I then found out just how close minded and quick to label anyone unfortunate to have this Virus as Homosexual or Deviant.

I am good at what I do and I made sure as to make those responsible for his Dishonor to pay...as they purposely had his Dishonorably Discharged as being a Homosexual as this allowed them to prevent an INVESTIGATION into the way the U.S. Military screened Blood as well as how the Higher Up Brass made sure to sweep anything of this nature under the rug all the while screaming...WELL HE IS A HOMO SO HE GET'S WHAT IS COMING TO HIM!

It took some time...but they never saw what was coming to THEM.

Split Infinity



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
But we didn't just randomly decide not to agree with them, we (society) collectively deliberated how 'bad' or 'good' they are and made an ethical decision. Paedophilia and slavery have obvious negative and damaging consequences. Can you make a solid case against homosexuality in a similar fashion? The 'agreement' people in support of LGBT want is nothing more and nothing less than equal treatment. Reason being there is nothing inherently 'bad' about the orientation.


That is a good point in society decides what is ethical or not.

Slavery: Are we not ALL a slave to something? I'm a slave to my paycheck, I don't get up in the morning and work all day because I love it. I'm also sure many people live horrid lives living in freedom. Plato helped created the concept of morality as he had slaves and sex salve boys...which all most likely were proud of their status and where all most likely lived a good life in terms of life back then.

I don't see being gay as inherently bad, but I do see other aspects to that culture that are bad. One being they are the highest risk group for STDs. This is behavior that gays find acceptable, or they would not be the top risk group.

I would like for the Government to stop recognizing marriage period. There was a reason to promote marriage in the past that is no longer viable. I also would like to see the Government recognize anyone to be connected for legal reasons to anyone they please, so to suggest gays be "equal" under the law of all rights and privileges of the majority I would ask why not all other minority behaviors too, such as polygamy and most likely 100s of others?

I guess in the end I just do not see gays as a minority behavior special case, and as you said, society ultimately determines social moralities. .



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:01 AM
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so to suggest gays be "equal" under the law of all rights and privileges of the majority I would ask why not all other minority behaviors too, such as polygamy and most likely 100s of others?

Because each one should be individually deliberated....

and by '100' others no doubt you're including paedophilia. I think this has already been addressed.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:03 AM
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I have no problem with gay marriage in that it helps to reduce from the gene pool those in humankind who are not interested in contributing to the human race genetically. It is what it is.

I'm not sure if I follow.

You know the vast majority of homosexuals have heterosexual parents right?



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Gay Men became the AIDS Poster Demographic as the form of sexual behavior that is specific to Gay Men allows the virus to be transfered much easier that either Lesbian sexual activities or Non-Anal Heterosexual sexual activity.

This fact is specific to the specifics of how direct body fluid to membrane or open wound or Blood to Blood transfer which occured prior to the screening of Donated Blood for the virus.

The statements that AIDS is a GAY VIRUS or even more rediculous that AIDS is a Punishment sent by GOD upon Homosexuals are inventions of those who are ignorant of the reality of how a Simian Venerial Virus that Humans have no immunity due to the fact the virus not only attacks our immune system but also since Humans and Monkeys and Apes share a common ancestor and are both Primates as well as very close Genetically....Humans can contract this disease.



Can it be said that the gay sexual lifestyle took an ember burning in Africa and turned it into a world wide forest fire?

Gay bath houses were one example of an environment of a massive number of sex partners that helped spread aids very quickly through the gay community. There was also "ground zero" a gay flight attendant that is speculated to have infected 600 partners, and though one could say this was one guy, I do not find his lifestyle out of the norm for the gay community back then.

Ya, the whole religious part is stupid, but it seems everyone wants to down play what was a (an most likely still is) hyper sexually orientated group with a large number of partners. Even today numbers don't lie that they still are the highest risk group...



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posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:11 AM
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hyper sexually orientated group with a large number of partners

Funny enough that describes most of my heterosexual friends all the way until they turned 30. I think "hyper sexuality" is a fairly common occurrence in all orientations, especially in younger years.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 03:48 AM
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There is NO DOUBT that the promiscuous Gay Lifestyle lived by Gay Men in the late 1980's and ESPECIALLY in large cities where there existed both a larger Gay community than Rural Areas as well as many Clubs and Bath Houses specific for the use by Gay's to enguage in Sexual Activity.

This of course caused HIV and AIDS to spread at a much quicker rate.

Still...in Africa...it would seem that HIV and AIDS was spread and at a very fast rate at that...by the practice of Eating Bush Meat...and to a lesser although not a minor extent...Gay Sexual Activity and the common practice of the Rape of both young Boy's and Girl's.

Split Infinity



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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There is NO DOUBT that the promiscuous Gay Lifestyle lived by Gay Men in the late 1980's and ESPECIALLY in large cities where there existed both a larger Gay community than Rural Areas as well as many Clubs and Bath Houses specific for the use by Gay's to enguage in Sexual Activity.



Really? Because I have large doubts about that. The existence of bath houses isn't making people more promiscuous; they were promiscuous to begin with and that's why they went to the bath house in the first place. Whether or not the bath houses were there, they still would've been having sex with multiple partners at ridiculous rates if that's what they wanted to do. Most gay men don't behave like that, contrary to popular opinion. Actually, I know more than 20 gay men and only 1 have I ever met who would bother to do such a thing or go to such a place.

However, if women were in these kinds of places and readily available to straight men... I could name hundreds of straight men who would be there faster than I could name them. Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of people with HIV and AIDS in the world are heterosexual. The only reason gay men are more susceptible to it is because the rectum is more vulnerable to the absorption of the virus into the bloodstream than the uterus is.



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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well i think the caucasian race is in dire need of having its homosexuals turn into heteros. we're about to blink out of existence here in the next 50 years, give or take a decade.


Can you provide a cite or proof for this.... incredible claim?



posted on Feb, 16 2013 @ 06:24 AM
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You have replied to me in a defensive nature which would be typical and a reply more suited as a response to a person who would be making close to the same statements I have posted here all for the sake of either Gay Bashing or for the sake of reaffirming their shaky confidence in their own questionable Heterosexual status.

I understand why you have replied in such a manner as you don't know me for if you did you would realize I will post the reality of something be it the history or nature of or at the very least the reality of an existing Line of Logic that has the Highest Probability of being the correct analysis of a thing, issue, history or perception.

What I posted here as far as the various late 80's clubs, bath houses or Gay oriented locations or businesses where sexual activity not only occured at but was accepted and expected.

Your comparisons of these FACTS to other FACTS concerning Heterosexual sexual activity of either the same nature or circumstances being involved or compared is unnecessary as far as I am concerned as I am well aware of this and I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH WHAT A PERSONS SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR ACTIVITIY OR FREQUENCY OFF OR ANYTHING ELSE INVOLVING SEX EITHER OCCURING BEING PLANNED WHERE SUCH ACTIVITY BE IT FOR ONE TWO OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE OF ANY COMBINATION OF GENDER.

Now that I have made that clear...the fact remains reguardless what Straight or Lesbian or other people might have done...will do...have done...or did....the GAY BATH HOUSES....GAY THEATERS which played Gay Porn...Gay Clubs....ESPECIALLY of the type in large cities such as New York, San Fran, L.A....etc...all these places made the spreading of HIV and thus AIDS to quickly get a foothold in the Rich, Highly Traveled, High Percentaged Tourists, Seeking Gay Sex Men....who tended to visit such places on Business Trips and Vacations as not all but many were in the CLOSET and had Wives and Kids as well as Gay Lovers and Friends whom they passed on the HIV VIRUS to and this also...due to many being Married...created the problem of their WIVES who now became infected and a percentage passed on the Virus to THEIR LOVERS whom they were having an AFFAIR with as it is common when a Man is having an affair be it with a woman or another man....their wives will sense this and also start having affairs or perhaps the Husband sensed his wife was having an affair and that is what gave him the courage to express his true sexuality.

Point is...reguardless of what some people may feel about the morality or how they feel some information may either support or condemn the sexual activity of Gay's or support or condemn the position of morality placed upon such issues by various Religions, Polotics, Laws, School's, Military, Parents or Relatives, Co-Workers and Friends...etc...etc...etc...I WILL ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THE REALITY IS....NOT WHAT I THINK THE REALITY IS OR WHAT I THINK THE MORALITY IS.....personally I think that is none of my business nor do I care what other people do that is their right.

People that DO have issues about what is a persons legal right as they feel it to be immoral....well they just have not either grown up yet or properly EVOLVED.

Split Infinity





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