Homosexuality= 999,999,999,999,999,999 God= 0

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Sickness? wtf? you put out a video from the 50's to prove your point...wake up it is 2013.

reply to post by boymonkey74


my sympathies honestly... yes I know it's 2013, that can sometimes mask a lot of things. The world was a much simpler place back then but the issue was still present.

the 1950's by the way are not so far removed as the ancient Greek though... of which the proponents of homosexuality have already chosen to use to support their arguments in this thread.

I can relate to the 50's much more so than the ancient greek

reply to post by SisyphusRide

I was both laughing and crying inside watching that abysmal video. The sad truth is many people would watch that and have it reaffirm their beliefs.

The real explanation on the sickness in that video

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


the boys in that video were post pubescent... you're explanation is ruled out.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

my sympathies honestly... yes I know it's 2013, that can sometimes mask a lot of things. The world was a much simpler place back then but the issue was still present.

the 1950's by the way are not so far removed as the ancient Greek though... of which the proponents of homosexuality have already chosen to use to support their arguments in this thread.

I can relate to the 50's much more so than the ancient greek

i'm not a proponent of homosexuality, i'm just of the belief that it's not much different (generally speaking) than any other genetic mutation, such as obesity, artistic ability or buckteeth, and that it only carries the weight that it does because it's linked to such a personally important subject. i'm sure obese people and heteros have also been psychopaths to the same degree as gays, skinny people and people who are left handed instead of right. are there genetic studies that link psychopathy to homosexuality?

the point is, before we can get past these types of conversations and arrive at solutions, we first have to recognize that it is often, but not always, the result of genetics like any other physical trait. then we have to arrive at the realization that it can be artificialy generated in society as a result of social pressures, such as cultural norms, or lack of access to the opposite sex. and as a result, both sides of the conversation have to find a happy middle ground that doesn't require the level of hostility we've been accustomed so far, so that meaningful solutions that are compassionate and non-judgemental, can be arrived at.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


At the end of the video? I couldn't tell.

But sure. Fair enough.

But the big age discrepancy was not unintentional.....

Just like many videos like that from the era. Propaganda reeking of prejudice and not objectivity.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


This excellent public service film reminds me of the time I was walking home and was picked up by an innocuous looking older member of the opposite sex who gained my trust with sweets and tobacco before groping me and making lewd, lewd suggestions.

After we acted on the suggestions I felt dirty and used, but natural and right in the ever present eyes of god... go figure.

reply to post by undo


I'd say by 1950 at the very least... we have came a lot further as a species on this planet, and in our sociological understanding of our communities in the western world.

Originally posted by undo
the point is, before we can get past these types of conversations and arrive at solutions

there is no solution because it is against nature... there is only acceptance. And this must be gained by behavior and a lack of pride without forcing acceptance on others whose beliefs it is against.

for society as a whole that is... worldwide

my suggestion would be... first thing... stop being proud

too much pride anything is deplorable.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by undo

 

I'd say by 1950 at the very least... we have came a lot further as a species on this planet, and in our sociological understanding of our communities in the western world.

quoting the greeks is evidence of social pressure and cultural norms increasing the amount of homosexuaity in a society. so it does not work to uphold the idea that homosexuality is exclusively a genetic trait but in fact, the opposite. which clarifies the picture a great deal more. social pressure can modify natural inclinations to such a degree, that people will literally grow to appreciate changes to their sexual orientation that they wouldn't otherwise. lack of access to your preference, can also modify your behavior. case in point, bestiality, blow up dolls, sex robots, porn, masturbation, homosexuality, and etc. as a result, the argument can't be that all homosexuality and/or homosexual behavior is genetic exclusively, because there's too much evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by undo

 

I'd say by 1950 at the very least... we have came a lot further as a species on this planet, and in our sociological understanding of our communities in the western world.

quoting the greeks is evidence of social pressure and cultural norms increasing the amount of homosexuaity in a society. so it does not work to uphold the idea that homosexuality is exclusively a genetic trait but in fact, the opposite. which clarifies the picture a great deal more. social pressure can modify natural inclinations to such a degree, that people will literally grow to appreciate changes to their sexual orientation that they wouldn't otherwise. lack of access to your preference, can also modify your behavior. case in point, bestiality, blow up dolls, sex robots, porn, masturbation, homosexuality, and etc. as a result, the argument can't be that all homosexuality and/or homosexual behavior is genetic exclusively, because there's too much evidence to the contrary.

its not a genetic trait... it is learned

describing it as a defective cell is just a way of handling it scientifically and not sociologically.

most every homosexual has been tampered with, or corrupted by outside influence.

reply to post by SisyphusRide


wow i disagree with that, entirely. i knew this kid, you could just tell he was gay from the time he was very young. he was effeminate, had female behaviors (i know, i raised 2 boys and a girl and they are entirely different), and to no real surprise to any who knew him, he admitted he was gay before he was 20 years old. not a big shock there.

it's possible homosexuals in ancient texts were called eunuchs, as they would be modified to "solve their problem", sorta like the way a woman goes into menopause if you remove a breast. i'm an eunuch of sorts, myself, even though i'm female.

reply to post by undo


yes that's why we give birth to so many unisexes?

you're telling me a heroin addict is born an addict before they ever try it?

there are such thing as crack babies... but that's outside influence.

everyone is born a clean slate, by nature a sex is attracted to the opposite... it is how we have procreated and the way nature intended it to be.

then again we wouldn't have such a resource and population problem if homosexuality was the natural order of things... I guess the powers that be and the U.N. would love to have people believe it is normal.

reply to post by Baddogma

and even if they did, isn't anything we do "natural" since we are, by definition, natural, too?

I have similar feelings.

Some people think it's mere semantics, but I think it's a deeper understanding. We exist, all matter, in our physical universe. Perhaps that won't always be so, but it is right now. Nature is the collective term for all this 'stuff'. All things are natural because they exist in nature. Nothing can be 'unnatural' as a result. Human beings and their various sexual orientations are not exempt.

Not until we introduce supernatural (beyond nature) is there reason to create a division between 'natural' and 'unnatural' and then discriminate against one or the other. This is why I don't think it's just semantics.

Even technology. I don't think a computer is unnatural. I think it's the result of a natural human mind rearranging natural 'stuff'. And surely no one can argue that computer exists supernaturally after it's made. From nature, in nature.

People love ways to categorize that's for sure. I do. We all do. However this 'natural' versus 'unnatural' division is unfounded and dangerous. It holds us back. Evidence for that is plenty in the medical arena where it's met with religious suppression.

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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by undo

 

yes that's why we give birth to so many unisexes?

you're telling me a heroin addict is born an addict before they ever try it?

there are such thing as crack babies... but that's outside influence.

everyone is born a clean slate, by nature a sex is attracted to the opposite... it is how we have procreated and the way nature intended it to be.

are you familiar with turner's syndrome? they are born with both gonads and have to pick a gender to be when they reach puberty and adulthood and then have an operation to remove the gonads of the gender they don't want to be. consider that hormones after birth, determine how your body develops. you may be born male but develop differently as a result of genetic coding, after a short or moderate amount of time, to have feminine characteristics, all linked to female hormones.

reply to post by SisyphusRide

its not a genetic trait... it is learned

I see.

And who is the teacher and what's the curriculum?

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
then again we wouldn't have such a resource and population problem if homosexuality was the natural order of things... I guess the powers that be and the U.N. would love to have people believe it is normal.

i agree that does seem to be suspiciously popular with the big wigs, but i don't think it's popular because there's a preponderance of homosexuals at the UN but rather because it fits so comfortably with eugenics.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


you couldn't be more wrong...

science is based on observation of fact in the natural world, specifically on earth.

via zoological observation and the fact of procreation it is unnatural.