It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Homosexuality= 999,999,999,999,999,999 God= 0

page: 12
29
<< 9  10  11    13  14  15 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 10:53 AM
link   
reply to post by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
 



A woman's duty is to test men and keep us strong and stable.


So - a good woman is nothing more than a pit crew?


A man's duty is to test is himself and the world around him, to bring order out of a chaotic universe.


No girl astronauts?

Sometimes - when I read - I feel so sad

:-)


edit on 2/7/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 10:54 AM
link   
There are a lot of fatherless households, and that's one of the symptoms AND causes for a lot of the feminizing of men. Men that grew up in single parent households, with just a mother, oftentimes end up being completely complacent with overbearing, tyrannical women. In fact, they search high and low for a woman like that.

I know that there's a deeper reason for all of this happening, but men need to put their foot down once and for all and put a stop to this superfeminist nonsense that is being propagated in America. It's not wonder people in the UK make fun of American men.

And to furrytexan: It's alright. No need to be apologetic.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 10:57 AM
link   
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 


Again, people confusing gender roles in relationships to real world applications of a woman's skills. I can guarantee you most female astronauts, being highly intelligent, hard working, and resourceful, still go home and play their particular female gender role perfectly.

This mentality where "female as follower" = "female subjugation" has got to stop. It doesn't even make any sense. Women ABSOLUTELY have as much worth and should be afforded the same respect and opportunities as men. The question here isn't "should women be allowed to be astronauts?"

Edit: Also, guess who has the most power in NASA? Who are in charge of the most missions, who have the most responsibility?Hint: They don't have vaginas.

manhood101.com...


edit on 7-2-2013 by FollowTheWhiteRabbit because: (no reason given)

edit on 7-2-2013 by FollowTheWhiteRabbit because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:02 AM
link   
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
 


"Wrong, there is nothing in christian theology about being gay"

I dont know about that but if thats the case it probobly serves the paedophile priests agenda. LoL
edit on 7-2-2013 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:03 AM
link   
reply to post by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
 


good post WhiteRabbit

:-)

and I knew that - I'm just in a good mood - and I couldn't help myself



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:04 AM
link   
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 


It's fine. This is one of those topics I like to discuss. Religion, mythology, games, and manhood. All them good stuff.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:05 AM
link   
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 


If you try to make what he says a zero sum issue, then obviously you could poke holes all day long.

But ask yourself honestly: how many women seek out leadership roles? Is it a common theme?

I may be living in a backwards part of the country, but it seems that around here you frequently have the woman in the relationship doing the "mom" thing instead of building a career. Except in my house, where I was the one doing the 'mom' thing while the wife attended classes.

Which is the point: there are exceptoins to anything. But on the whole...I think the white rabbit guy has something of merit to state (even if it makes you sad).



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:06 AM
link   

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
There are a lot of fatherless households, and that's one of the symptoms AND causes for a lot of the feminizing of men. Men that grew up in single parent households, with just a mother, oftentimes end up being completely complacent with overbearing, tyrannical women. In fact, they search high and low for a woman like that.

I know that there's a deeper reason for all of this happening, but men need to put their foot down once and for all and put a stop to this superfeminist nonsense that is being propagated in America. It's not wonder people in the UK make fun of American men.

And to furrytexan: It's alright. No need to be apologetic.


yeah the deeper reason is survival. think about it. if you put a woman out in the woods in a cabin 200 years ago, and sent her husband off to travel half way across the country for something, she would have to run the whole place by herself. if they had a farm, she had to be up at the crack of dawn and start working, and she didn't stop till she dropped in the bed exhausted, only to the do the whole thing all over again the next day. teaching her to be helpless would be a crime. she had to cut the wood for the fireplace and etc. so i don't think there's a time in history where women didn't have to be strong in some way.

it's just that the whole planet is in survival mode atm. everybody is. and science is increasing in it's ability to make entire races of people non-existent, and genders as well. in fact, science contributed to the abillity of the chinese people to kill nearly an entire generation of females via ultrasounds and abortions, as a result of their one child policy. if that repeats everywhere (it's happening in india too but those places have historically done that), an entire gender will be nearly non-existent. the only group that is keeping this from happening atm, are muslims and that only because they are the flavor of the month with world leaders.

it looks like women could become, not just a royal pain in the derriere for men because of their survival behaviors but also erased from existence by science.
edit on 7-2-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:08 AM
link   

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
I used to be one of those "pray the gay away" Chritians. Now that I am older and less ignorant I have determined due to scientific evidence that people are born gay.

So you are a believer in the "gay gene"?


Disgusting how you seem to assume that homosexuality is a "thing" that one can acquire, and not simply the product of behavior.


Let me start my response by asking a strange, yet relevant question... Why do men have nipples? Why, when they serve no purpose. Are they there for decoration? The reason is that in the very early stages of pregnancy, ALL PEOPLE and I am talking about EVERYONE starts out as a female. Shortly there after, the chemical make-up and genetic predisposition of a zygote decides what sex it is going to be. During this process, sometimes all of the chemistry involved in making a male doesn't fully transition, and so you get a man with female wiring inside. Apply the same principal to a woman. So to answer your question, no I don't believe in the gay gene because there is no such thing. Disclaimer to gay people reading this... I tried to explain this and in doing so I may have articulated my thoughts in an offensive manner, and that was not my intent. I am not suggesting that being born gay is a birth defect.

I'm disgusted by the fact that you intellectually exist in the 16th century.
edit on 7-2-2013 by OptimusSubprime because: (no reason given)

edit on 7-2-2013 by OptimusSubprime because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:08 AM
link   
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
 


I mean, heck. Even women politicians, women who have considerable power, constantly play up the fact that they have kids and are married. It's the shining jewel they wear like a badge of honor, and they do it WAY more expressively than men.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:15 AM
link   
reply to post by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
 


Sometimes when I hear men get their panties all in a bunch over the over-feminization of men, or start ragging on 'superfemminism'...

gets my hackles up :-)

I'm sure you'll understand - but the thing is - I myself get tired of this idea that our roles aren't somewhat predictable - we are women and men - we aren't genderless

The lines get fuzzy - but that line about women astronauts still being women at the end of the day cracked me up because it's true. So points for a good post - but there's still room for us to get way into it if you're up for it

:-)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:20 AM
link   
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 


True. Roles aren't predictable. The gay culture is evidence of this, but that's a whole other issue and is really at the heart of what this thread was about. So I'm thinking we should pull the rusty break handle before this whole thing gets derailed.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:29 AM
link   
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 


Sounds like a great idea for a thread...
Right?


Great discussion. For the most part, I enjoyed this thread. Wish I had seen it when it was new and gotten in on the discussion.


As to the subject of the OP, I feel sorry for people who, because of social or religious pressure, feel they have to change who they are to be OK. Like Marcus Bachmann... Hopefully, society will soon realize that being different doesn't mean you have to change yourself to fit into a narrow idea of what is acceptable.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:31 AM
link   
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
 


But ask yourself honestly: how many women seek out leadership roles? Is it a common theme?

Times are changing - it's not hard to see (if you look) that woman are moving more and more into leadership positions - and that's because they want them. You might as well ask how many minorities are leaders. Many more now than there were - opportunity and the ability of people to rearrange their thinking is the reason for that

I think the subject of gender is fascinating - endlessly - fascinating. Men, women - and every possible thing that happens between those obvious and easily recognizable genders

You could make the case that men are typically more assertive - but how much of that is built in - and how much of that is culture and expectation? When I hear men giving each other grief over not being man enough for this and that - or challenging them to be more manly - it's not hard to see that they might try to live up to those expectations

I was just talking yesterday to a woman that broke up a fight in a bar and escorted the aggressor out the door and into the street - the guy was pounding on his girlfriend

This woman is about 5 foot seven - maybe 150 pounds - didn't hesitate. So, how does that work?


I may be living in a backwards part of the country, but it seems that around here you frequently have the woman in the relationship doing the "mom" thing instead of building a career. Except in my house, where I was the one doing the 'mom' thing while the wife attended classes.

Which side of this are you on then? :-)


Which is the point: there are exceptoins to anything. But on the whole...I think the white rabbit guy has something of merit to state (even if it makes you sad).

There is some merit to what he says - and there is some merit to what you said - and a bunch more to what I said

and - that was a tongue in cheek kinda sad - not a weeping in my beer sad

:-)

anyhow Tex - after Hillary becomes president - things will probably start changing even more. I just hope you all can keep it together
edit on 2/7/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:42 AM
link   
There's a clear increase of women in leadership positions in recent years. I would guess that the increase will stop at a lower-than-50% point because women ARE the ones who have the babies and are biologically more necessary for infants, but many women are even bypassing that role in favor of being a leader.



From
Women at the Top



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:42 AM
link   
If Hillary becomes president, the seams come out and nothing will be able to hold any of us together.

You thought Obama was bad? Wait until a domineering female attorney with penis envy gets to sit in the big chair in the Oval Office.

Oh boy, will that be a fun four years (if it happens, which it won't).



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:44 AM
link   
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Top ten richest women in the world, all obtained their wealth from dead husbands, dead fathers, or predominantly male family ventures. www.techscio.com...

The only one who gets close to that, who did it on her own, is Oprah.

Edit: No, I'm not insulting Oprah in any way, lest you take it to mean that. Oprah is one of the few women in power who I can absolutely respect for working her fingers to the bone to pull herself out of the ghetto and create a billion dollar empire.
edit on 7-2-2013 by FollowTheWhiteRabbit because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:46 AM
link   

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
 


- You equate the male-female roles with female subjugation. Roles in a relationships do not equate into women not being allowed to own land or vote. Society viewed women as generally less worthy than men, therefore, they had less rights. The further you go back, the less women were treated as human beings with respect. Now that women have equal worth, which I agree with completely, it's another "give an inch, take a mile" deal. Men upped and became enlightened about females, and we gave you the worth you deserve. Now that you have it, you want more. But you want to have it both ways. You want to wear the pants in a relationship, and yet you're always the victim, and any man who dares talk down to you is clearly a woman hater who is trying to victimize you and make you his house slave. I also find it interesting how, even though you want to speak of female empowerment and how traditional working gender roles "doesn't work for you", you revert to self victimization by equating natural, inherent gender roles with women not being afforded the same privileges as men. They are not one and the same, but you seem to think it does, because that's how society has warped your mind.

- Women looking for power is like a dog chasing a car. You wouldn't know what to do with it when you finally caught it.

- Society changed because radical feminists took over the whole entirety of feminism, and it became a driving force in completely rearranging classical gender roles. I've always found it interesting that even though you want to have power, you can't handle it. Even though you want equal worth with men, you continue to victimize yourselves for sympathy. You can't have it both ways.

- Men and women are both responsible. Men for losing grip of who they really are, and women for not understanding that when you take manhood away from a man, you end up with something you don't want. Women don't want a weak, defenseless man. They want a big strong man, in your words, who is a leader and has the courage to do what is right. It has everything to do with a distorted form of feminism that is hypocritical and self destructive.

- I've known men who have been in relationships with tyrannical, loud mouthed, know it all women. They are absolutely miserable, and the relationships don't last long. My father married one, a woman who had had three husbands before, and all of them wound up hating her guts. I was also in a relationship with a woman who tried to subjugate me and take away my worth as a man. You know what happened? I threw her stuff out the front door.

- Only the most masochistic of men want a woman who would step all over them. No real man finds that attractive. Talk to any normal straight male about it. Men who enjoy that are often made fun of for being "p* whipped" and emasculated. They're the ones who want to be a woman's slave rather than an equal. Again, self castration.

- Because they can't handle one another's "new gender roles" in this glorious new age of feminism.

- Again, you show a double standard. Men are obviously dogs and perverts who can't wait to cheat on their women, but women have to have a different reason all together, right? Women are always the victims, men are the evil, terrible a-holes driven by their libido. Not women, right?

- "So, take away another man's house slave and he becomes a pansy who listens to emo music and plays COD in the safe darkness of his little room? Right. Always slips my mind that woman are here only to serve the needs of men "

Again, victimization of women. In your mind, because a man is strong and has clear leadership qualities, it must mean because he hates women and wants a house slave. It can't POSSIBLY be because that's what a man is, and always will be, regardless of how you want things in that little empowered bubble that YOU exist in.
edit on 7-2-2013 by FollowTheWhiteRabbit because: (no reason given)


Yano, i just cant even be bothered with this crap anymore lol

Woman are equal to men. We can lead relationships. We can take care of ourselves. We dont need men. We dont hate you. Gender roles are stupid. The "traditional" family never existed for the majority. Woman are now bread winners, men are happier to take a backseat.

Everyone's a winner. Its not gonna change. Good night.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:50 AM
link   
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 

Yes indeed - a very good idea for a thread

(sigh...) :-)

This has been an interesting read - and it probably is going off the rails now

So, to agree with your point - on the OP - is it not astonishing what this man had to do inside his own head to make things work out for him in one way and one way only? He totally bailed on his own identity

Now - that makes me sad



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:51 AM
link   
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
 


Again, I never said women weren't equal to men, yet you can't understand that. Because you've had this mutated form of feminism piledriven into your skull, you think I am, even though I've stated numerous times otherwise. You can lead relationships, just don't be surprised when you man isn't up to the job of being the best husband he can be. Yes you can take care of yourselves, my mother certainly did after my parents divorced. And I didn't say YOU hate me or other men, just a certain small percentage of women who speak the loudest and somehow get the most influence in society. The traditional family, its specific gender roles, worked for a reason, and only up until now have we seen a complete catastrophic failure of this (because of reversed gender roles).

Women can hold power and be bread winners, sure. Good luck finding a real man with that mentality though. Men aren't happier to take a backseat, they've had their testicles stomped so much over decades that they feel as though they HAVE to do this. They don't. And more men are standing up for this.

The only way men and women can "win" is if they coexist in a working fashion.

It is going to change, and we're slowly seeing the fruits of that. Men are taking back our gonads from your purses, and sure, you might not be happy about it, but it is what it is.

manhood101.com

Good night.
edit on 7-2-2013 by FollowTheWhiteRabbit because: (no reason given)



new topics

top topics



 
29
<< 9  10  11    13  14  15 >>

log in

join