Abovetopsecret.com's Wikipedia File, page 1

There's a bitter Wikipedia editor out there, man does ATS take a bit of a hammering. I guess somebody who has been banned from here has stuck the knife in on there. Maybe if somebody on here is good at that stuff, that they may want to edit it so it is a little more accurate. I will quote below some of the areas that I thought was a little unfair.

Some members of ATS have strongly criticized the site for their personal perception of overtly censoring content though a large number of moderation staff who actively police to uphold its terms and conditions.[15] Users point out that although this may be necessary for the smooth running of the site, censorship can be perceived as being ironic for a site that is user generated. Also, the notion of censorship is a prominent feature in conspiracy literature and this adds to the problems of ATS censorship.

Members have also been critical of Above Top Secret moderators for not following the terms and conditions while actively making others do so. Their Terms and conditions and rules posting rules made by the owners state that members cannot use the site for recruitment to any causes whatsoever.[16][17] Moderators have broken this rule [18] while censoring members for doing the same

The practice of deleting any post that is inadvertently advertising any of ATS’s rival and smaller conspiracy sites is treated with suspicion. Critics would point out that this is ATS taking advantage of its internet monopoly on internet conspiracy literature for corporate gain and reduces the ability to cooperate with other sites to build on knowledge. One claim made by ATS is that news is reported before it is reported in the mainstream media. This occurs rarely, however, as nearly all "alternative news" on ATS comes from mainstream media sources.

EDIT: As of latest any thread regarding the Sandy Hook shooting is being censored and automatically deleted without any prior warning or justification.

en.wikipedia.org...

In my opinion all of the above comments are actually opinion and not indeed fact and they should be edited out of Wiki, I have no idea about Wiki, but anybody that does might want to do ATS a bit of a favour and correct their bitter inaccuracies.

reply to post by michael1983l

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That`s a real tricky one indeed,, lots of loopholes.

didn`t want to take more space,, i meant by the loopholes that we, and others can write about lots of stuff,
and there are so many rules an restrictions concerning truth and fiction, that we aren`t aware of

reply to post by solve

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How do you mean, lots of loopholes. I thought Wikipedia had to present factual information and not opinions and that if a fact was incorrect, which in many of these cases I believe they are, then it could be contested and thus removed from the article?

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by solve

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How do you mean, lots of loopholes. I thought Wikipedia had to present factual information and not opinions and that if a fact was incorrect, which in many of these cases I believe they are, then it could be contested and thus removed from the article?

I checked the link and those statements are found under the title "Criticisms" and are justifiable in that context. They may or may not be true, but they are held to such an extent as to make them justifiable criticisms.

reply to post by HopSkipJump

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Maybe then it is time for a counter-criticism section?

reply to post by Crakeur

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Indeed.

Clearly those criticisms were written by someone banned here for spamming GPL garbage. The mods and staff do a fantastic, thankless, job sifting out the crap so we can all play in the sandbox.

I honestly wouldn't come back if not for them. If not for them weeding out the useless garbage, we'd be no better than any other randomly organized rant fest... i mean forum.

And if we want to go specifically into Sandy Hook.. Yes, if it means I don't have to be embarrassed to frequent this site, please continue to "censor" that story.

ATS is the high water mark for what a conspiracy related community should be. In keeping with that, some decisions have to be made, and clearly we don't all agree on the specifics....

but when it comes to mods, they clearly have the best interest of the community AS A WHOLE at heart. If a few people have to deal with some butt hurt in the process, well...

Suck it up princess... or go complain on Wikipedia. Which, is ironic, considering we aren't supposed to trust Wikipedia as a reliable source of information when posting source articles, yet we consider it reliable enough to get miffed over some complaints.
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It should be mentioned that stuff is rarely actually "censored" here. Duplicate articles are the reason for 90% of thread closures, T&C violations for a good 9%. Then there's that 1% margin of error to let the mods feel out what they think is best.

There is a concerted effort to infiltrate and marginalize sites, just like this. Heck, there are threads on this very subject here. Certain ridiculous things MUST be weeded out, or sent to the grey area, if not, we risk letting them come in and taint the punch.

Alex Jones anyone? David Icke anyone? 911 no planers and pod people... anyone?

This is a community driven site, that's for sure, but it aint free to run, and a site like this has to cover their staffs collective butts, you don't have freedom of speech here, you have no rights, regardless of how loudly you demand them. If we can just say whatever we want, willy nilly, we put the entire site at risk, as someone has to be held responsible for it, and I'm not paying the hosting costs.... Are you?

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