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From : Michael [email protected]
Sent : Friday, December 3, 2004 2:32 AM
To : [email protected]
Subject : Re: Greeting Mr. Horn. Are these authentic Meier photos?
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Hi Gazrok,
The photos you refer to are said to be of the weapon loaned to Meier on two occasions and which he used to put a hole in an apple tree on the property. The tree (and hole) are still there. Meier was told that the weapon was, for the ETs, a 600 year old antique model.
Best,
MH
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Mr. Horn,
I�ve been fascinated with the Billy Meier case for quite some time. Recently I came across these pictures supporting the encounter notes in which Billy was given a laser gun and allowed to photograph. As I haven�t seen these on the site or in some of the books I have, I was wondering if you could vouch for their authenticity?
www.universe-people.com...
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Thank you,
Gazrok
Could it be, this is a deliberate hoax designed by the government, to obviously obfuscate the UFO matter and distract us from the true ET and UFO phenomena.
I already mentioned to Gazrok that the Meier case has more controversy than all of the other cases put together, I wasn't kidding.Still, I'm afraid it's not that easy, atleast for me, to brush off the entire case as a hoax.Did Meier fake some of his photographs? Mostlikely...yes. On the other hand it's almost 'normal' that a contactees story gets warped out of proportions in every way imaginable.Quite frankly, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, between what Meier claims and what the sceptics claim.
You might wonder why I still maintain a certain position to his case.That's partially influenced by the fact that some people will exclusively take the negative elements and not only start to debunk the Meier case but also ufology and the contactee phenomena as a whole.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
You might wonder why I still maintain a certain position to his case.That's partially influenced by the fact that some people will exclusively take the negative elements and not only start to debunk the Meier case but also ufology and the contactee phenomena as a whole.
You are not exactly helping your cause for contactee cases, by clinging onto Meier. I treat everything on a case by case basis. I do not generalize. Which contactee cases do you think are credible?
I only know of two, and that is Meier and Nancy Leider, and they are both fakes. There is also Adrian, and the less said about him the better.
That's partially influenced by the fact that some people will exclusively take the negative elements and not only start to debunk the Meier case but also ufology and the contactee phenomena as a whole
Originally posted by Gazrok
That's partially influenced by the fact that some people will exclusively take the negative elements and not only start to debunk the Meier case but also ufology and the contactee phenomena as a whole
This is EXACTLY why such charlatans need to be exposed quickly, as it's these whackos, who are responsible for everyone hearing an encounter and laughing, instead of asking questions... Such individuals are largely responsible for maintaining the secrecy around the issue, as they help to make the entire subject the butt of jokes, when in reality, it could very well be the most important issue our species has ever come across....
What I basicly do is take the positive and negative elements of a contactee case.I do that equally, not selectively.While I don't like Meier and some of the things he said, I'm not going to throw my principles overboard because of that.Yes, some photographs are mostlikely faked but if you want to be a thorough and professional debunker you have disproof the whole lot which is harder than you might think.Some 70 people have testified to unusual circumstances involving Billy Meier.Some even stated that they saw the ships Meier photographed.While Meier's ex-wife retracted her support, his son did not and still openly supports his father.
Me personally I find the contactee cases of George Adamski and Howard Menger very intriquing.
All Meier has is testimony. Heresay. Rumours. None of it is verifable or falsifiable evidence. Do you really find it surprising 70 odd witnesses claim they've seen him photographing them? He's a cult leader my friend, he claims to be a prophet, and a friend of Jesus. There are very gullible sheep-minded people that want to believe this.
This is my opinion, take it for what it is worth. I do not think your strategy is sensible. It is almost the antithesis of extreme skepticism: proven only when it is proven. You will be left clinging onto the worst of cases, and brush over the best. If any element is hoaxed/faked in a case, this suggests that all of it could be faked. If more than one element is hoaxed/faked, then it really brings your own intelligence into question, if you pursue it.
In the case of Meier, we have proven that at least some of his contact are fake. We have established that at least 7 pieces of his evidence are faked. We have established many of his claims to be lies. We have established he has a criminal past. He has zero credibility.
Originally posted by Der Kapitan
It is painfully obvious to me that people believe absolute crap. Even when their noses are thoroughly rubbed in it. Considering the evidence, Meier has latched onto something that he cannot go to jail for. I.e: Aliens/UFOs phenomena. Reminds me of the whole Von Daniken deal. Von Daniken was in trouble for scamming people on real estate or something like that. He then got a great idea- Make-up a bunch of crap in the UFO field, no one could prosecute him for that stuff. So both Von Daniken and Meier have found a gulible market and a safe haven from prosecution.
[edit on 4-12-2004 by Der Kapitan]
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
5. The San franciso Earthquake pictures: Claimed to be taken in a time travel
The following are most definitely lies told by Meier:
1. He went back in time and was selected by Jesus to become his disciple. He came back out of the fear of being crucified.
2. He photographed the eye of God. He only photographed one eye, because he claimed the other was closed!
5. The San franciso Earthquake pictures: Claimed to be taken in a time travel
I cannot claim this to be a hoax. I have yet to see either the original photograph of the Earthquake from Meier, or the photograph of the painting from the geological magazine as claimed by Korf.
Can someone please produce the photographs in question.
I was a bit confused on Meier's assertion about seeing gods eye. As he said in his notes, that there is no creator. So it must have been metaphorical. A meier camp member claims the "eye of god" means the constellation of Lyra.
I also cannot verify the claim he's met Jesus. The FIGU web site denies it. So until someone can verify it, for the sake of honesty, I retract this assertion.
I feel that I have been very harsh to Meier off-hand. I think I read too much into misinformation by Korf, and seeing as it is so difficult to find information on him for me, all i get is lies that seem to be perpetrated by Korf.However, I am still maintaing my skepticism on Meier, as there is so much wrong with him and his case. I retract my conclusion of him being a hoax though, until the evidence of Korf's claim emerges.Meanwhile, I am having a very fierce debate with a Meier camp member. He claims he does have a book from 1993 with contact information that forecasts the US terror attacks. Yet, he does not want to show me evidence..... right..