Take a Rare Look at How Obama Decides to Send Drones to Kill Americans

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I love all people, and wish freedom for every human life. In short - f*ck off with that BS.

Judging by your posts that's clearly not true.

You're advocating the killing of men, women and children merely upon the proviso that the President of the United States has decreed that they are "terrorists."

I STRONGLY support our constitution.

You have a strange way of doing so...

Originally posted by errurwrong
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

May I ask what the billionaires owe you? The problem with america is people vote incapable politicians into office simply because those politicians promise "free" items to the masses. We do not need to spread around wealth so everyone is happy. If people would get off the couch and make a living this nation would be better off, but why work when such and such politician promises to give you freebies if you give your vote.

They owe us a decent wage. People need to get on their couches and stop working for less than 10 an hour. The wage has to match the job, and it does not. I built car doors for 8.50, I roofed for 10.00, I landscaped for 8.00 even. No health insurance, no dental.

The problem is people think their vote counts in a 2 party, 3 party, 4 party or what have you system with this level of corporate influence.

Originally posted by errurwrong
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

May I ask what the billionaires owe you? The problem with america is people vote incapable politicians into office simply because those politicians promise "free" items to the masses. We do not need to spread around wealth so everyone is happy. If people would get off the couch and make a living this nation would be better off, but why work when such and such politician promises to give you freebies if you give your vote.

I guess we have to learn chineese to get a manufacturing job, huh?



Just to make the pigs who invest/speculate on wallstreet happy??

That is what happens with *free trade* capitalism!

And then the fast food joints hire illegal mexicans or guatemalans because they don't have to pay minimum wages, social security, disability, unemployment, local/state/federal taxes, etc. They work under the table and screw the american born citizens.

Yeah we get your unpatriotic stance towards america. I don't owe the billionares anything. They owe americans a lot more than that they are giving.

There is no such thing as al Qaeda

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by NarrowGate

 

I love all people, and wish freedom for every human life. In short - f*ck off with that BS.

Judging by your posts that's clearly not true.

You're advocating the killing of men, women and children merely upon the proviso that the President of the United States has decreed that they are "terrorists."

Slanderous and unfounded accusation.

Terrorists actually exist, I know you don't have first hand experience with that fact. I wonder why that is....

Originally posted by superluminal11
There is no such thing as al Qaeda

Thank you for proving my point.

Will everyone quit bit*hing about the wrong things now?

Let's divert our attention to the things that matter, like mass murder of babies and a criminal justice system that has become the equivalent of a slave trade.

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Terrorists actually exist, I know you don't have first hand experience with that fact. I wonder why that is....

I never said they didn't. And you do have first hand experience? I haven't seen you post it, but if you have please share it with us.

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by NarrowGate

 

Terrorists actually exist, I know you don't have first hand experience with that fact. I wonder why that is....

I never said they didn't. And you do have first hand experience? I haven't seen you post it, but if you have please share it with us.

You implied they didn't and I do not, however many in my family have fought in the REAL war on terror.

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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America and russia has attacked many more countries then nazi germany ever did and killed way more people too. Get real man! Just because the nazi cause has been distorted and demonised to death does not mean it is worse than capitalism.

Nationalism Socialism is exactly what we need! Get the #ing foreigners out of my country!

This is all I needed to hear. We are completely opposed in our world views. I love all people, and wish freedom for every human life. In short - f*ck off with that BS.

I may come across as hateful but it is simply frustration from having to hear so many packaged lies for years on end with nothing to do about it. I don't hate people for the sake of hating them. But yes I do hate evil people who wish me and others harm.

It is time to see america and the world for what they are. America comes first for americans, and at a time of increaing problems, looking out for foreign entities is stupid, to put it mildely.

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You implied they didn't

No I didn't.

So americans are prisoners now basically. Because in prisons they also have the right to kill them when they see fit too. With less justice.

There is an al qeada but I dont get what that has to do with the average american joe to be honest. Interms of stripping rights from people. What is the point. Thats not a government. Thats like the pharoahs of ancient times infact Id say.

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by NarrowGate

 

I love all people, and wish freedom for every human life. In short - f*ck off with that BS.

Judging by your posts that's clearly not true.

You're advocating the killing of men, women and children merely upon the proviso that the President of the United States has decreed that they are "terrorists."

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So what did you imply then? That our President is indiscriminately labeling people as terrorists who are not and proceeding to kill them? To my amazement we actually have never made a mistake there to my knowledge. Paranoia did not prevail.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by Kram09

 

America and russia has attacked many more countries then nazi germany ever did and killed way more people too. Get real man! Just because the nazi cause has been distorted and demonised to death does not mean it is worse than capitalism.

Nationalism Socialism is exactly what we need! Get the #ing foreigners out of my country!

This is all I needed to hear. We are completely opposed in our world views. I love all people, and wish freedom for every human life. In short - f*ck off with that BS.

I may come across as hateful but it is simply frustration from having to hear so many packaged lies for years on end with nothing to do about it. I don't hate people for the sake of hating them. But yes I do hate evil people who wish me and others harm.

It is time to see america and the world for what they are. America comes first for americans, and at a time of increaing problems, looking out for foreign entities is stupid, to put it mildely.

I highlighted two more points we are never going to agree on. I love my enemies, and I do pray for them.

I think we should help foreign entities for reasons already stated.

The problems and lies you are being fed are of a much more vile nature than what you presently perceive. I have already discussed that as well.

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You're advocating the killing of men, women and children merely upon the proviso that the President of the United States has decreed that they are "terrorists."

If you think my post above implies that terrorists don't exist you are wrong.

I am criticizing the fact that you seem to be wholly comfortable with the fact that the President has vested himself with the power to arbitrarily determine who is a terrorist and then have them executed.

Innocent people have been killed in drone strikes but you seem to think that's okay or because they were killed they MUST have been terrorists. You seem to base the things you say on the idea that everything the government says is inherently true and therefore should not be challenged.

That's a dangerous mindset.

Do americans realise a pharoah government is being implemented in the USA? Like a new age of slavery where your rights are nil. Just because of a few idiot terrorists, who they are clearly using to bully folk into submission.

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To my amazement we actually have never made a mistake there to my knowledge.

Shaye, a Yemeni journalist based in Sana'a, had a reputation for independent journalism through his neutral interviewing of al-Qaida operatives, and of critics of US policy such as Anwar al-Awlaki. Journalist colleagues in Yemen dismiss the notion of any terrorist affiliation: Shaye had worked for the Washington Post, ABC news, al-Jazeera, and other major media outlets.

Shaye went to al-Majala in Yemen, where a missile strike had killed a group that the US had called "al-Qaida". "What he discovered," reports Scahill, "were the remnants of Tomahawk cruise missiles and cluster bombs … some of them bearing the label 'Made in the USA', and distributed the photos to international media outlets."

Fourteen women and 21 children were killed. "Whether anyone actually active in al-Qaida was killed remains hotly contested." Shortly afterwards, Shaye was kidnapped and beaten by Yemeni security forces. In a trial that was criticized internationally by reporters' groups and human rights organizations, he was accused of terrorism. Shaye is currently serving a five-year sentence.

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You truly believe there have never been any mistakes....?

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by NarrowGate

 

You're advocating the killing of men, women and children merely upon the proviso that the President of the United States has decreed that they are "terrorists."

If you think my post above implies that terrorists don't exist you are wrong.

I am criticizing the fact that you seem to be wholly comfortable with the fact that the President has vested himself with the power to arbitrarily determine who is a terrorist and then have them executed.

Innocent people have been killed in drone strikes but you seem to think that's okay or because they were killed they MUST have been terrorists. You seem to base the things you say on the idea that everything the government says is inherently true and therefore should not be challenged.

That's a dangerous mindset.

And yet more slanderous and unfounded accusation. Show me where I said innocent lives have not been lost, and show me where I said they all must have been terrorists.

I base the things I say on the idea that we can not let the enemies of freedom gain more power.

What you imply is that our government is intentionally going after people who are not terrorists, and labeling them as such.

You have dodged most of my points, and not admitted any of your mistakes. Past that, you have accused me of things repeatedly.

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Wow, sounds complicated and hard to deal with. It also sounds like they did not LABEL him a terrorist and proceed to target him.

hmmm....

eta: also sounds like all of the facts surrounding the incident are being argued over.

Of course mistakes have been made in combat. I said we have not mistakenly labeled any US citizens as terrorists and then proceeded to kill or indefinitely detain them.

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How about this?

With seven seconds left to go, there was no one to be seen on the ground. Bryant could still have diverted the missile at that point. Then it was down to three seconds. Bryant felt as if he had to count each individual pixel on the monitor. Suddenly a child walked around the corner, he says.

Second zero was the moment in which Bryant's digital world collided with the real one in a village between Baghlan and Mazar-e-Sharif.

Bryant saw a flash on the screen: the explosion. Parts of the building collapsed. The child had disappeared. Bryant had a sick feeling in his stomach.

"Did we just kill a kid?" he asked the man sitting next to him.

"Yeah, I guess that was a kid," the pilot replied.

"Was that a kid?" they wrote into a chat window on the monitor.

Then, someone they didn't know answered, someone sitting in a military command center somewhere in the world who had observed their attack. "No. That was a dog," the person wrote.