Native American Confronts Protesters on Illegal Immigration

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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
I would disagree with this man in video, even if he had enough for thought, to dignify himself by pushing the child home first and then engaging the protesters upon return. There is no limit to what could have happened as a result of his thoughtless provocations. Frankly, I think he's an idiot.
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You disagree with what he was saying because he was with his child?

Sorry, that's a load of bullcrap, what he said was 100% fact and the protesters knew it.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:48 AM
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I'm not sure where you live, but perspective changes when you skin colour is different from the majority. Its done both sides sub-consciously.

Its the same feeling Skin colour A gets when it enters a room with many Skin colour B.


On the side note, have you seen ABC's "What would you do?" scenarios?



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Dispo
America seems like such an angry place.


True.

Its ironic that America "happened" because of all the "anger" of those leaving Britain and Europe, wouldn't you say?



America happened because of the greed of those leaving Britain and Europe.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by liverlad

Originally posted by randyvs
I would disagree with this man in video, even if he had enough for thought, to dignify himself by pushing the child home first and then engaging the protesters upon return. There is no limit to what could have happened as a result of his thoughtless provocations. Frankly, I think he's an idiot.
edit on 6-2-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Do disagree with what he was saying because he was with his child?

Sorry, that's a load of bullcrap, what he said was 100% fact and the protesters knew it.


how can you not be indigenous in your own place of birth?



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by FlyersFan
 



Europeans who settled in America weren't 'illegal immigrants'. There were no laws restricting them from coming in.


Law on the books or not, it was still wrong. They came here and basically took over. They robbed, raped, murdered, and purposely introduced small pox to the natives. The fact that laws weren't on the books doesn't make it any more 'okay'.



Unlike the illegals who come into America today who break laws coming here. They are an invasion of civilians .. and drug gangs ... And they will, in the end, become the new MAJORITY in this country.


That doesn't sound that much different than what the 'white' man did. The small pox introduction could be taken as biological warfare today. Last I checked rape, murder, and robbery are also illegal and would be wrong regardless if a law were on the books or not.

I don't blame immigrants for coming over the border. They get free food, medical, college grants, etc, why wouldn't they come over? Illinois even wants to give them driver's licenses. We are basically giving them incentives.

We might as well put up a big flashing 'OPEN' sign.

It's a double standard. Its alright for the 'white' man to come here and rape, murder, and pillage the natives, but, it's not okay for others to jump the border and commit crimes?

Hey, Pot? It's me, Kettle.

I am in no way saying that I condone illegal immigration, but, its funny that we complain about it, when immigration is the very mechanism by which our nation originated, especially when we are giving them so many incentives to do so.


Immigration, not illegal immigration. All countries or the overwhelming majority allow only legal immigration. I am not saying some form of amnesty is wrong either, if done right.

The U.S has immigrants from all over the world, who would have found north america anyway and looked to live here.

As far as the Native Americans, here are two recent tribes that have or on the verge of disappearing. Read the reasons why they are disappearing, one reason is disease from other people so obviously this would be a problem hundreds of years ago. All people should be helped but i dont think any group is to blame in the examples below.

Boa

Jawara

I am a second generation American.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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How can you not be indigenous in your own place of birth?


Exactly!, but its okay for a guy to tell Asian kids and Indian kids to "go back to your country" even if they are born here.

All because one was here since 1770 and other was here in 1970.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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Do many on here believe in something called known fallacies? One such fallacie is called a gross generalization.
To say something as ignorant as white people came over here raped & pillaged & stole land is as ignorant as saying that every black man that was a slave and convicted of raping a white woman was either guilty of raping a white woman or wanted to.

Here is one for you. All Chinese people that come here are opium smoking numb skulls. How about this. All Mexicans are here illegally. Mexicans are only coming over here because they are destitute and starving. Even the fat ones and criminals who do have a criminal background of rape and burglary and drug dealing. All Mexicans are here have a white wife here & a mexican wife in Mexico.

All Australian men beat their women.
So do Cuban men.
Men beat women. Black women beat black men and that is why they all want a white woman.

All Jews are Zionists. So are all Christians.

All Native American Indians are gambling loving drug meth heads. Thank God we have casinos to contain them.

All Italians are in the Mafia.

All Russians love Vodka.

There is no depression or substance abuse treatment in Ireland because they all love to drink.

England has no dentists.

If it werefor Django then the civil war would not have happened because all whites and Cheorkees (THAT'S RIGHT!!) owned and loved owning their slaves.

All Arabs are Muslim including Arab wants to be Iran and are crazy Jihadists and want all Americans to die.

All Jews nailed Jesus to the cross & Mel Gibson is right.

All Germans are Nazis. All Jews should hate all Germans.

All Jamaicans are black, Rastafarian, and luvvvv to smoke rope.
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I voted for Barak Obama because he is black.

Unfortunately everyone of these statements has some truth. Here is one truth we should all consider. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Man is weak on somethings and strong on others.
Most of us have a good side and a bad side we would hate others to see.
The thing about immigration is this. There are laws about this to protect both parties.
I for one do not believe it is about race. Are there racists in this group? Absolutely read 75% of the ignorant comments in this thread. This race business really makes me sick.

Aspect s of law? One to keep the migrant worker from being expolited and healthy. The other is to protect and defend the Native population and economy and its future. That is it in a nutshell. I for one see no unjustness in our immigration laws. I as do many chose to obey the law. I have children and will raise them to obey the law as I was raised. Thank God the sun follows the law of physics to a tee. If the sun ever started to hate white people we will all have melanoma. Some days are going to be really long. Wait, how will we define a day.

All immigration discussion participants are bigots one way or anot Oh you aint buying it anymore?

Listen politics are ugly. A necessary evil. But you can take its sting out by not caving to their skills of polarity to further their careers. Look at my avatar. Read my signature. learn what a Judas goat reallg II still fail. Man fails and fortunately so do his systems.


Politics appeals to narcissism. Ethnocentric values. Don't believe ats has fallen to this trap? Show me one thread discussing Mexico's emigration policy.

A Nation's strength is defined by it just laws and its citizens adherence to them. Law is not served cafeteria style. The US. is getting out kf hand with some laws or mainly Executive Orders but the law is the law. If you are not here legally then you are illegal and must face the consequences. The loser here is both sides. The Hispanics here legally are targeted because of their illegal cousins. Our resources are drained financially defending our borders and taking up jail cells for deportation. Our tax codes and social nets are overburdened. Emotionally I care for those involved BUT logically we must follow the laws. I care about John Q & Juan Q Public. You cannot convince me to care about Pancho & Lefty. They are showing no concern for the welfare of others when they break the laws for their own welfare. Not team players. Little Big Horn has nothing to do with it.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by liverlad

Originally posted by randyvs
I would disagree with this man in video, even if he had enough for thought, to dignify himself by pushing the child home first and then engaging the protesters upon return. There is no limit to what could have happened as a result of his thoughtless provocations. Frankly, I think he's an idiot.
edit on 6-2-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Do disagree with what he was saying because he was with his child?

Sorry, that's a load of bullcrap, what he said was 100% fact and the protesters knew it.


how can you not be indigenous in your own place of birth?
By having ansestors who came from elsewhere.

If i brought a pet Kangaroo to America, and it had babies would those baby Kangaroos be indigenous to America? No beacuse Kangaroos didn't originate from America.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by undo
 


I'm not sure where you live, but perspective changes when you skin colour is different from the majority. Its done both sides sub-consciously.

Its the same feeling Skin colour A gets when it enters a room with many Skin colour B.


On the side note, have you seen ABC's "What would you do?" scenarios?


my best friend in high school was a hispanic/native american. the boys in the town were hard on her. yes indeedy. it was a small town. the people were generally prejudice, but i was not. i did not care if she was purple with orange polka dots, she was my best friend! i have seen it from both sides in many regards, as the place i was living when i was having to dig recyclables out of garbage cans in order to survive, was a different religion and culture than i was, and the prejudice was rampant. i was fired under false pretenses, my son was punished exclusively when the kids would play together if anything went wrong which a woman who lived there and was that religion, warned me about. in other words, i've seen good and bad behavior on both sides of every coin. i was even rescued from being mugged by two black guys, by a third black guy, who came to my rescue. i know skin color is essentially irrelevant, as LONG AS YOU LET IT BE. but if you keep honking that race horn, nothing good will come of it.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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so..i would take better care of native americans, i would give them the land they need and let them be free..
i would teach them how to live off of the land again, they can go back with the ways of nature..


well that's what i would do if someone gave me some land, i would build an eco home and garden,garden,garden..
set up an out house, dig a well...go off the grid so to speak.

other than that i would secure the borders, but also allow loving people in more easily...
for the people that are here have them go through education programs because knowledge is power, plus being able to communicate with english helps


and just take care of each other, live off the land..

the material world is falling, lol



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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I love how the responses in this thread expose the hypocrisy of the anti-immigration people here in the United States.

They are saying they are as "native" as this guy because they were born here...and yet they want to change the Constitution to state that even if you are born here, you aren't a citizen unless both parents are citizens. So I guess the fact of being born here is a good argument for them to use, but they don't think anyone else should be able to.

These same people will disrespect fellow AMERICAN CITIZENS by calling them "anchor babies".


Hypocrisy, plain and simple.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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I saw this earlier and loved it. Could just imagine the protesters muttering to themselves: "Damn, never thought of that. I think we'll pack up for today."

I guess most of us, everywhere, are immigrants one way or another



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by BrandonD

Originally posted by Juggernog
A dominate people with a dominate army discover a land thats inhabited by a weaker people with a weaker army and this happened over 100 years ago by people that are long dead.


(Ignoring the abundant spelling and grammatical errors, and focusing just on the inane argument)

How about this scenario: A smarter group of people (hispanics) infiltrate the borders of a country whose inhabitants are too dumb to protect their borders properly.

That's the situation today, sounds just like the argument you made above.

You say that basically the native americans have to just "take it", I guess you're just gonna have to take it as well aren't you?
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Smarter? Hah, you obviously dont live near a Southern border and its not the people that dont secure our borders, its the Govt, namely the President, that refuses to enforce federal immigration laws.
Then when states try to adopt legislation to allow them to enforce border laws on their own, they get sued by the DoJ.
Its all about minority votes, the Dems want Texas to become a "battleground" state, by hook or crook.
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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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Numerous Native tribes in the United States have oral traditions that tell of tall, pale skinned, red haired people living in America before the "Natives" crossed a land bridge from Asia. Look up the people called "Si-Te-Cah", the entire tribe was burned/suffocated in a cave in Nevada. Lol, oh truth is a great thing...let me know when anyone finds the "Truth".



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:04 AM
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I know skin colour is irrelevant, its simple logic. But most of the world, still dwells in old ideologies, and old people(obviously not everyone is like my "racist"grandfather) still hold onto it. Only hope i see are in children that are born after 1995~, its a common place for a skin A to bring skin B to play at his house. I can see my niece and nephew play with kids of different colour. when i grew up, it was tough for me to bring different "coloured" friends home, its not because my parents are racist but they are not used to it(and stereotypes don't help either).

I think i have friends of every colour except Native American lol(only because there is not much around my area).



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Also love people saying get over it when it comes to native and black history when atrocities have been done to them.

Yet never forget when 9/11 and the Jewish holocaust occurred. Yeah no racism there...


It is never forget when it happens to the white culture..yet get over it when any other culture.

Why do white people call other cultures barbarians, and then in the same sentence say the white man brought culture..etc. Which is BS..the just knew how to manipulate and hide their motives better.


Although there is some controversy over this speech,

www.manataka.org...

We may be brothers after all.


But why should I mourn the passing of our people? Tribes are made of men, nothing more. Men come and go, like the waves of the sea. A tear, a prayer to the Great Spirit, a dirge, and they are gone from our longing eyes forever. Even the white man, whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot escape the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We shall see.


The hands of time cannot be turned back, we are fighting centuries old battles over land, the land belongs to no man, at some point we have to learn to live in peace with one-another.

Throughout the history of the human race we have committed crimes against each other, hatred breeding hatred,in a never ending cycle,

How do you end the cycle?

Do the dead bury the dead?



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by undo
 


I know skin colour is irrelevant, its simple logic. But most of the world, still dwells in old ideologies, and old people(obviously not everyone is like my "racist"grandfather) still hold onto it. Only hope i see are in children that are born after 1995~, its a common place for a skin A to bring skin B to play at his house. I can see my niece and nephew play with kids of different colour. when i grew up, it was tough for me to bring different "coloured" friends home, its not because my parents are racist but they are not used to it(and stereotypes don't help either).

I think i have friends of every colour except Native American lol(only because there is not much around my area).


kids born after 1950, you mean. i was a kid when most of these issues were settled, and everything was looking up and people were becoming less and less race conscious and now, just like in south africa, it's going in the exact opposite direction. it makes no sense whatsoever.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by liverlad

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by liverlad

Originally posted by randyvs
I would disagree with this man in video, even if he had enough for thought, to dignify himself by pushing the child home first and then engaging the protesters upon return. There is no limit to what could have happened as a result of his thoughtless provocations. Frankly, I think he's an idiot.
edit on 6-2-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Do disagree with what he was saying because he was with his child?

Sorry, that's a load of bullcrap, what he said was 100% fact and the protesters knew it.


how can you not be indigenous in your own place of birth?
By having ansestors who came from elsewhere.

If i brought a pet Kangaroo to America, and it had babies would those baby Kangaroos be indigenous to America? No beacuse Kangaroos didn't originate from America.
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well then let's all go back to africa cause that's where we are all from, according to mainstream science. and then, we will all be indigenous.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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I used to feel bad about the Native Americans, until I realized that they weren't the first people to inhabit North America. I wonder how the guy in the video would react if he were to read about Kennewick Man?

You know, life isn't fair. Throughout history when two cultures come together, the stronger one dominates. The weaker either assimilates into the stronger, or becomes extinct. It's like that in evolution with animals and plants too.

Also, I'm sure this guy's standard of living is much higher now than if Europeans had never come to North America. I know a lot of people are going to have a problem with this, but I live in the real world. It would be great if life could be like fantasy, but it isn't. I'm just sayin'.

P.S. I do want to say I have respect for the Native American culture. They knew how to live in harmony with the land and I believe modern man could learn a few things from them.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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And the skeletons in caves support their stories: ironlight.wordpress.com...





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