Babies should wear burkas: Saudi Arabian cleric , page 2

michael1983l

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:11 AM

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You find just as many fanatics in Cristianity and Judaism who have just as crazy Ideas, you don't often see them discussed on ATS though.

OmniPotential

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:14 AM

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I have yet to see any stats on burkas reducing STDs or assisting in pretty much anything outside of, I suppose, helping the wearer combat a chilly breeze.

Well, how many sexual partners does a burkha wearing woman have, you think?

burdman30ott6

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by burdman30ott6

First of all, it is only Shia Muslims that have compulsary circumcision.

Incorrect. Sharia Law is divided on the topic, but about half of the Sunni Muslim schools view it as compulsory with the other half viewing it as highly recommended and advisable, but not compulsory. The vast majority of Islamic males outside of the small segment of the religion which has shunned the Hadith and follow only the Koran are circumcised.

To address your point about circumcision being healthy, why does God make us born with one. Isn't it a bit of a criticism of God, to say hey God, you idiot, you got that bit wrong, let me correct it for you?

An intriguing trap of a question... It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God. It did not have to do with God making something wrong, so much as it had with mankind righting their own wrong against God. Through circumcision, Abraham and the lineage of Abraham was set apart from the Gentiles and would forever remember their pact with the Lord. The health aspects of the process are more of a modern issue, as mankind again demonstrated they could not follow the laws of God and now pretty much screw like rabbits outside of the bonds of marriage.

OmniPotential

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by michael1983l

It is if you valued your foreskin. You can take a burkha off, you can't reattach your foreskin.

I doubt an infant is concerned about its foreskin.

Also: Why point out other peoples customs, isnt the topic Burkas and Babies?
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OMG, really?

So basically, with that logic you could do anything to a baby, since it is not aware anyway, and it will always stay a baby.

Also you seem to think very lightly of circumcision, but it is not natural, and it is not considered normal everywhere.

I am a bit offended by you as a woman talking about a mere "30 seconds of pain", refering to the cutting away of a part of a male infants genitalia.

burdman30ott6

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by burdman30ott6

You find just as many fanatics in Cristianity and Judaism who have just as crazy Ideas, you don't often see them discussed on ATS though.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Don't you?
Do an ATS SEARCH for Fred Phelps, or Westboro Baptist Church, or John McTernan, or Dale McAlpine, or Reverend Al Sharpton, or Reverend Jessie Jackson, or Revered Wright, or Zionist, or Zionism, or Anti-zionist...

By and large, everybody that's a stupid ass regarding religion in the public eye takes their licks on ATS. The search function is your friend, even when you're trying to make an unfairness on ATS accusation.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

michael1983l

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Don't you?
Do an ATS SEARCH for
Fred Phelps, or Westboro Baptist Church, or John McTernan, or Dale McAlpine, or Reverend Al Sharpton, or Reverend Jessie Jackson, or Revered Wright, or Zionist, or Zionism, or Anti-zionist...

By and large, everybody that's a stupid ass regarding religion in the public eye takes their licks on ATS. The search function is your friend, even when you're trying to make an unfairness on ATS accusation.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Zionism/Zionists are not anything to do with Religion. That is totally irrelevant.

Just looking through your other searches, small threads, hardly any flags in the majority.

Muslims on the other hand (top 5 searches, no bias), Anti Muslim Sentiment Threads

www.abovetopsecret.com... - 13 flags

www.abovetopsecret.com... - 85 flags

www.abovetopsecret.com... - 29 flags

www.abovetopsecret.com... - 60 flags

www.abovetopsecret.com... - 25 flags

Top thread returned on search for each of your topics...

Fred Phelps - www.abovetopsecret.com... - 2 flags

Westboro Baptist Church - www.abovetopsecret.com... - 21 flags

John McTernham - www.abovetopsecret.com... - 12 flags

Dale McAlpine - www.abovetopsecret.com... - 2 flags

Reverend Al Sharpton - www.abovetopsecret.com... - 2 flags

You catch my drift, the Anti-Muslim sentiment is far more vocal and accepted, than equivelants in Western Based Religions. Just highlights the anti-muslim properganda that our governments feed us all through News Corp is working.

burdman30ott6

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:09 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I may have misunderstood your earlier point, as I thought you were referring to specific individuals/clerics/Islamic leaders. Searching on ATS for Christians and/or Christianity yields a vast number of bitch & whine threads with such lovely titles as
Fundamentalist Christianity: a mind control CULT with 36 flags
Christianity in one word: Antihomosexual 38 Flags
Christianity is based on Egyptian Myths: Jesus is Horus 57 Flags
The TRUE Evil: The Christian Agenda 80 Flags
Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshipping Evil Hey hey, Christian/Judaic double header here garnering a whopping 145 Flags!

Remember, Flags do not equal "I agree with this thread" (regardless of what some of the "S&F as always" personal member lackies may post in every thread started by their idols) Flags equal marking a thread for further or more detailed examination, following a thread, or even marking it as an important topic from either side of the opinion aisle. I also denounce your claim that Zionism and antizionism aren't related to the Jewish side of the coin, at least not when using the same measure you're applying to perceived slights against Islam. If calling out the radicalized Muslim Brotherhood is akin to calling out Muslims or Islam, then antizionism is absolutely akin to calling out the Judaic faith.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

michael1983l

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:23 AM

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You raise some fair points, but I would just like to highlight that I wasn't actively searching out threads with high flag returns, I was merely picking top of the search list. Stats can be mis-leading, but I think that I hav fair grounds to say that there is an Anti-Muslim bias on this forum, at least if we are honest with ourselves.

I still do not agree with your thoughts about Zionists/Zionism..... they do not perform their evil deeds in the name of God, they do it in the name of corporation and greed. They are certainly not after pushing a Godly agenda.

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I also do not subscribe that Flags and Stars are not used mostly as a form of agreement. That is quite evident off certain posts. I think only a very small number of the very best constructed threads get Flags for they way they are presented rather than wether they are in agreement.

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Aleister

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:33 AM

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The baby burka thing is an odd one, and hopefully it won't catch on. My favorite personal burka story is I was manning a booth at a farmer's market once and a woman in a burka walked by, totally covered up except for her eyes and a tiny bit of her forehead - for navigation purposes the eyes had to be kept uncovered I suppose. She saw me looking at her, and she quickly reached up and pulled the burka over the very tiny bit of exposed forehead. This was one of those moments where I had a firsthand learning experience about the insanity and mind manipulation of all organized religion, whatever culture uses it as a control mechanism.

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OmniPotential

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:49 AM

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So you were checking out her forehead and she was all like "hellooo, my eyes are down here....", lol.

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Elentarri

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 07:05 AM

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I think they should castrate all the males. That way the males won't have a problem controlling their urges and no-one (including babies) has to live in a sack all day. End of problem.

I'm sorry, but if you find an infant sexually attractive, there is something wrong with you.

Benevolent Heretic

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 07:48 AM

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Since when is a piece of cloth going to deter a sexual predator? In the US, we wear clothes to cover our bodies and sexual abuse of children still happens all the time.

I don't really care about the societies and customs of other people, but this just doesn't make sense to me.

MarioOnTheFly

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:54 AM

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Sick and tired of this type of news.

You know, recently I've discovered that I have an inclination for rosy muslim male sfinkters. We should probably inform all male muslims now that they should be wearing some kind of sfinkter protection, since I can be bothered to control myself.

rimjaja

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
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Daoud claimed that baby girls would be protected from abuse if they wore a full burka

Here's a creative, revolutionary idea: Teach your males to respect females as equals and partners instead of viewing them as second class citizens and possessions. If you raise young men to view women/girls as nothing more than outlets for urges you cannot control, then it is obvious you have a damn skewed set of priorities.

I don't understand how any religion that claims to be such a loving and peaceful people can make such claims without their lips catching on fire. No people that subjugate and denegrate women, can ever , even remotely, be considered to be peaceful.

SearchLightsInc

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 10:00 AM

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On topic: You'd have to be pretty sick and twisted to look at a baby and think "I wanna tap that"
Unfair to assume all saudi's are paedophiles but there's deffo something amiss when their cleric has to make a statement on the "issue"

Maybe they just ran out of things to discuss/regulate?

burdman30ott6

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Since when is a piece of cloth going to deter a sexual predator? In the US, we wear clothes to cover our bodies and sexual abuse of children still happens all the time.

I don't really care about the societies and customs of other people, but this just doesn't make sense to me.

The only possible rationale I can figure out is that this Daoud fellow is of the belief that, if sexually abused while wearing a burka, the baby won't have to be stoned to death after the assault as she/her parents took every effort to avoid enticing the attacker.

Unity_99

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by OmniPotential
reply to post by burdman30ott6

I have yet to see any stats on burkas reducing STDs or assisting in pretty much anything outside of, I suppose, helping the wearer combat a chilly breeze.

Well, how many sexual partners does a burkha wearing woman have, you think?

I'd rather they; were walking barefoot, semi naked with 20 boyfriends than subjected and stepped on by someone who thinks they are owned property. Freedom is the first principle and lesson of Family in the Universe in the tests. Then its equality, kindness and sharing. Wedding Freedom and Equality brings one out of the tests to the Higher Realms.

Advantage

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Since when is a piece of cloth going to deter a sexual predator? In the US, we wear clothes to cover our bodies and sexual abuse of children still happens all the time.

I don't really care about the societies and customs of other people, but this just doesn't make sense to me.

The only possible rationale I can figure out is that this Daoud fellow is of the belief that, if sexually abused while wearing a burka, the baby won't have to be stoned to death after the assault as she/her parents took every effort to avoid enticing the attacker.

Good God. As if a baby would have enticed someone to assault it for exposing its face!

What bizarre thinking. This whole Hijab thing used on little girls and babies is a form of religious child abuse IMO... and a political tool.
Geez.. media manipulation :
mypetjawa.mu.nu...

This one must have allowed her bare ankle to be seen.
olehgirl.com...

Lets give Daoud a plastic burka/Hijab. A real tight plastic Hijab... Otherwise known as a walmart bag. And a zip tie. This will prevent him from having to view vulgar uncovered women and infants that might tempt him. Thats suggestion is along the same lines as covering infants in order to prevent rape.

andypb

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:46 PM

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Not that the Saudi's do much anyway when baby's get raped and murdered.
Just throw the judge a big wad of money, then you get let go.

The males of the population should be taught that women are equal to men.
That might be a good start.

Famous Saudi Preacher Gets Away With Torture and Murder of 5 Year Old Girl, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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TXRabbit

posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:49 PM

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I'll see his "Babies should wear burkas" and raise with "Saudi women should be nude in public"

er...wait a sec..

Can we add an age limit to that?