Why liberals and conservatives should oppose globalization

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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:42 PM
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Why conservatives should:

1) It sources jobs outside of the United States
2) It promotes moral relativism
3) It erodes traditions

Why liberals should:

1) It causes exploitation of people
2) It's bad for the environment
3) It promotes assimilation and cultural imperialism




posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:47 PM
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You're more right than you know.

Globalization is destroying this planet. One of these days, they're going to cut right into the darkest part of the jungle, and carve right into Pandora's box, and make the Black Death look like a summer cold.
Airline travel, and the next great pandemic could be across the world quick as can be.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:26 PM
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Exactly right. I argue this all the time. I want people to overcome divisiveness and work together. In some cases they do and in others I get the "hippie/commie" line or the "conspiracy theorist/redneck" line. I just try to see both sides, what they have in common, and what we could all accomplish together. They want us divided. The parties' platforms were made specifically for a certain kind of awkward confusing divisiveness that we see today. Some things go hand in hand like environmentalism and anti-corporate power, but our government is run by corporations, so both sides are unwittingly against the same entity. Democrats attack corps. and Republicans attack the gov. but it's all infused together, with a lot of infighting, to be fair.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Grifter42
You're more right than you know.

Globalization is destroying this planet. One of these days, they're going to cut right into the darkest part of the jungle, and carve right into Pandora's box, and make the Black Death look like a summer cold.
Airline travel, and the next great pandemic could be across the world quick as can be.


A perfect example - bed bugs! I thought they were as mythological as the Loch Ness monster until my brother's bed became infested with them in 2011. Bed bugs were pretty much non-existent in the West prior to about 1995 but since the late 2000s, they have become common again.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 12:17 AM
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I disagree.

To oppose globalization is to promote a dramatic reversal in humanity's trends. Globalization can not be simply halted without major effects to our current systems, especially economic. Moving toward isolationism just is not realistic. The computer you're using right now is a product of globalization, so is your car and so is your 401k. If there were a severe shift toward isolationism, the economy would collapse.

Maybe, you'd say let's slowly reverse globalism. That may be more plausible, but it still is not favorable for humanity's development. If America decides to close itself off as a market for the international economy, animosity will build against us and the peace would be threatened. It's clear you're opposing economic globalism, but political globalism is equally important in building diplomacy and maintaining as high a level of peace as possible. Militaries around the world are simply capable of too much destruction at this point to cut off all diplomacy.

Nope, the best way forward is to make globalization more responsible. International trade by nature makes more people wealthy. It is better for the consumer base to favor globalization with terms than it is to oppose completely. Terms like fair treatment of labor and environmental responsibility.

Globalism by nature doesn't have to produce these negative outcomes. Our economy is a reflection of consumer demand. Smarter consumers = smarter globalism.

Globalism doesn't have to drive unemployment upward in America, either. We have a shifting economy and we have to adjust our workforce accordingly. I think this involves more jobs in health and education- things like childcare, teaching assistants, personal trainers.

I think humanity is very capable of creating a global society that generally increases the quality of life worldwide and is in fact in the process of doing so.

This doesn't have to involve a coercive takeover by a contingent of international ideologues.... it could just as easily be the result of the general trend of our civilizations.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 12:28 AM
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Globalization means that as Chinese wages rise, American and European wages drop. The super rich, on the other hand, do very well out of globalization.

Since 1978, adjusted for inflation, the average wage in the USA has dropped from $48,000 to $33,000, while the top 1% has seen their average income treble to $1,100,000.

The Guardian

Globalization does make people in the developing world richer. Unfortunately it also makes ordinary people in the developed world poorer.

How couldn't it, when American companies build factories in China, meaning that American workers are competing directly with Chinese workers for jobs?

Globalization is a ploy for the super rich to get richer, while dishonestly being sold to the rest of us as a good thing.

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posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
I disagree.

To oppose globalization is to promote a dramatic reversal in humanity's trends. Globalization can not be simply halted without major effects to our current systems, especially economic. Moving toward isolationism just is not realistic. The computer you're using right now is a product of globalization, so is your car and so is your 401k. If there were a severe shift toward isolationism, the economy would collapse.


I don't have a car or a 401K. And a computer could be manufactured at home.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 06:45 AM
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I believe we should increase our rate of globalization as it will help us get into space quicker. Once that is colonized there is more than enough room for everyone to go their separate ways.

We just need to get established up there first.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:20 AM
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Liberals and Conservatives will never see the reality of globalization because the left/right paradigm was designed to distract people from globalization and the formation of a global government. The left and right people are too busy arguing with each other to see that they have a common enemy.



posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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Only a fool believes in globalism.

Globalism only benefit the rich elites who use globalism to monopolize the world. They don't give a rats a55 about you. Globalism will ship jobs overseas. Globalism would reduce wages in the United States to balance the wages in third world countries. This is happening in the United States.

The world power elite are consolidating entire economies with globalism. They want u dependent and poor so they can control the masses. Globalism will create a slave class and a few extremely rich and powerful class.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 12:29 AM
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We are certainly heading towards a single, global government.

That is the logical end game for globalists.

For all the people out there who are blasé about this (and that seems to be most people), please read George Orwell.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 01:26 AM
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I do believe nationalism is the opposite of Globalization which 95.9% of veterans are after 10 years service,In fact it is reinforced by faith and honor.





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