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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Spiritually, Hitler considered himself a Christian, so you and he have something in common.
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Again...we all get to Heaven or Nirvana or whatever you want to call it when we are ready and it certainly would take longer for some than for others.
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Stop trying to put words into my mouth. It's getting really old!
Show me where Hitler followed this statement by Christ: "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
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Show me where Hitler followed this statement by Christ: "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
Really? Is this what is taught in the NT? Because it appears after reading the whole thing several times, that what is taught is to love thy neighbor if they neighbor is also a Christian. Hate everyone that is not a Christian, including Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. etc. etc......
Love your enemies? The Bible teaches Christians to hate non-Christians. The Bible is probably the first book that taught segregation and racism (or religionism whatever the right word is here). I've already said this. Genocides were committed against whole peoples based on what some leaders read in the Bible...so what are you talking about?
As I said before, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc...are much closer to God than any Christian will ever be.
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect
quote: provided by Saint4God
"For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord." - Jude 1:4
answer: from me
You know what this is an example of? PROPAGANDA! This is an attempt by men to control people. This is an attempt to tell the world that GOD says to follow Jesus and if you don't you are a godless heathen that will be condemned or are already condemned. This was all planned out nicely by the original "Christians" to take control of the people away from Jews, Muslims and any other group that stood in their way.
Jesus was MADE into the Messiah by the people that wanted to start a new religion and control the masses....the Bible, specifically the New Testament was/is their textbook. The textbook of men to control other men. This is not a God thing! Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and others are closer to God than any of you Christians will ever be! You all are so far from God, you call the supposed son of God, God. That took a lot of brainwashing but damn if it didn't brainwash a hell of a lot of the masses who carried it through generations to this thing called Christianity. What is it? It's an abomination.......
"certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you"
What is that? This means hate everyone that is not a Christian. This means don't trust people that aren't Christian. Yet, the OT teaches "Thou shalt not hate" doesn't it? Yet....the Bible teaches segregation and racism (or religionism...not sure what the right word here is)? Where do you think the people of the Earth got those wonderful ideas? From your BOOK. The Bible. The first book that taught one to hate one's neighbor if they weren't of the same religion? NOT A GOD THING!!
"They are godless men"
Really? According to who? Are they Godless or Jesusless? Sounds like the Christians are the Godless ones to me. They seem to have lost sight of God.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
No human being has the ability to be perfect as God is perfect. This is the most ridiculous scripture you have ever posted. If we were as perfect as God, we would be gods...this is why there are so many false prophets roaming around. They think they are as perfect as God and, therefore, god-like or false prophets.
Do you honestly believe any human being has the ability to be as perfect as God?
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
I don't see where Christianity teaches love thy neighbor at all.
So you do see the need for Christ dying on the cross? Otherwise without him we fall short of that perfect mark because of our mistakes/sins. He paid for them, we only need to accept Him doing so.
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I don't see where Christianity teaches love thy neighbor at all. It teaches, again, love they neighbor if thy neighbor is also a Christian. Your BOOK is a textbook for Christians to go out and kill non-Christians...at least it was in the dark ages and middle-ages. And Christians still hate anyone that is not Christian and feel the need to convert them so that they then become acceptable human beings.
This is love thy neighbor? Get a clue!! :shk:
[edit on 23-10-2006 by Excitable_Boy]
Now, on topic. I didn't live with my first wife, what a nightmare. Lived with the second for a year before we married and 17 years later, all is pretty much well.
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So NO I don't see the need for Christ dying on the cross. The need? Why was it NEEDED?
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We don't fall short of perfection without Christ
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....we fall short of perfection because WE ARE HUMAN!
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Jesus didn't pay for anything. All Jesus did was get turned into a martyr by mortal men to create a new religion to control the masses and wage war on every other religion on the planet.
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Mark 16:16 He that shall believe, and shall be baptized, or christened, shall be saved; soothly he that shall not believe, shall be damned.
Here is an example of what I am talking about Saint4God. This passage says either believe Jesus is the son of God or you will be damned.
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This is love thy neighbor as thyself? NO...it's love thy neighbor if thy neighbor is a Christian.
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Non-Christians are going to be damned...so all the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, etc....are all damned. But God loves them?
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God loves us all,
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so none of us are going to be damned!
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It's passages like Mark 16:16 that sent men off to kill non-Christians or convert them.
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If they wouldn't convert, then they got killed. Love thy neighbor? WHAT A JOKE!!
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
So NO I don't see the need for Christ dying on the cross. The need? Why was it NEEDED?
answer: from Saint4God
Because of our sins (since you not a fan of the word "mistakes") we cannot save ourselves. The debt we accrue over a lifetime is too high for any of us to pay, except for one who was sinless who could take all those sins upon himself.
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Jesus didn't pay for anything. All Jesus did was get turned into a martyr by mortal men to create a new religion to control the masses and wage war on every other religion on the planet.
answer: from Saint 4God
If religion is able to "control the masses" then why is there war?
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
This is love thy neighbor as thyself? NO...it's love thy neighbor if thy neighbor is a Christian.
answer: from Saint4God
I don't see the connection or how you got the "if thy neighbor is a Christian" thing, that's not written in Mark or any other gospel. Rather, that's the opposite of what I'd quoted from Matthew.
That's what being "saved" means. It's going to be a rough day in court otherwise.
Really? My book says:
Sorry, God is not "the big teddy bear in the sky." The Old Testament can speak to that best.
My recommendation is to read the Book again if it was missed after you've read it "several times" before.
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What do we need saving from? From our human-ness? God made us human.
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Why would we have to be saved from being human? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever!! I don't accrue any debt with God in my lifetime. I owe God nothing. He gave me my life. He asked and wants nothing in return except for me to enjoy it to the best of my ability!
Maybe you Christians
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should take your sins upon YOURSELVES and do something about them...instead of putting them on Jesus and saying, "It doesn't matter what sins I have done in my life because they are with Jesus now. He has saved me from my sins. Even though I have raped and killed people....that's okay with Jesus because he is such a swell guy he takes on all my sins and makes me so awesome that I will be saved an go to heaven!" What a complete farse!!
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Why is there war? That's a topic for another thread isn't it?
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There is war for many reasons however....the biggest being that the people that really control the world make trillions of dollars off of war.
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The second reason is because groups hate other groups...especially religious groups:
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Christians hate everyone else,
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Jews hate Muslims and vise versa,
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Catholics hate Protestants...etc
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.....there is war because the world is full of 1. Greed and 2. Hate......
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and the hate part of it is taught to people in the NT.
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If they aren't Christian, don't trust them because they are scum and they are damned to hell...this is according to your NT!! LMAO!!
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I used my own passage from Matthew....and you don't see it because you don't want to see it.
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Why? Because you are a hypnotised zombie to the Christian Cult! You are one of many sheeple involved in said cult!
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Why would it be a "rough day in court" for ANYONE if God loves everyone?
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I don't care what your BOOK says. Put it down and start living in the real world.
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The good old OT. Yeah.....God was a real lover of all in the OT wasn't He? He taught men to commit genocide against whole groups of people in that book. The OT is garbage. No loving God would be involved in genocide. If God is so loving in YOUR mind, then what made Him want whole races of peoples destroyed?
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What happened to "Love thy neighbor??" In the OT it's "Kill thy neighbor" more often than not.......
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My recommendation to you is to start thinking with your own mind.
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I have read the Bible several times and gotten what I have gotten out of it. Re-reading it over and over again isn't going to change me or my faith...so get off that track.
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Right now I'm reading a book about Tibetan Buddhism written by the Dalai Lama. You might want to try reading some of the other books that exist in the world besides the Bible. There is a whole world out there Saint4 and you're missing it....
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Christianity has a problem with living together and for practical purposes I do too. But as many have said here it makes sense to do it as a trial run towards marriage. That is practical and even sensible and if the two marry then what moral indignity was caused?
I find more problems with long-term relationships that do not evolve into marriage.
What do we need saving from? From our human-ness? God made us human.
answer: Saint4God
God made us with the ability to choose. We not only made a wrong choice, we continue to make wrong choices.
Christians are to hate no-one. "Love your neighbor" and "love your enemy" which equals everyone.
and the hate part of it is taught to people in the NT.
answer: from Saint4God
Where?
You're too much Excitable Boy. May judgement not fall upon you as you fell it upon others.
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
The good old OT. Yeah.....God was a real lover of all in the OT wasn't He? He taught men to commit genocide against whole groups of people in that book. The OT is garbage. No loving God would be involved in genocide. If God is so loving in YOUR mind, then what made Him want whole races of peoples destroyed?
answer: from Saint4God
It is explained there...but of course you already know as you have read the Bible "several times".
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
What happened to "Love thy neighbor??" In the OT it's "Kill thy neighbor" more often than not.......
answer: From Saint4God
I think one really has to take a critical look as to what God said and why.
I have read the Bible several times and gotten what I have gotten out of it. Re-reading it over and over again isn't going to change me or my faith...so get off that track.
answer: from saint4God
I'm not trying to change your faith, I'm trying to get your misinformation about the Book says turned into what is in fact said in it.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
What wrong choice? Are you talking about the made up story of Adam & Eve? Making wrong choices is part of being human and God knows this and accepts this!
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Then why so much genocide by Christians? So many "holy" wars? Why do you feel only you Christians will be saved? If everyone is loved, then everyone will be "saved." No?? You can't have it both ways.
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Example from a typical BAC: "Well...yes, God loves everyone, but He loves us Christians more, so we get to go to heaven and the rest of you heathens are condemned to hell. Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah."
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
and the hate part of it is taught to people in the NT.
answer: from Saint4God
Where?
EVERYWHERE.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
You and I both quoted passages from Matthew that say all Christians will be saved and everyone else is condemned to hell. Where is the love in that? What I read is "All Christians are loved and everyone else is hated and will be damned." And by writing stuff like this and by people reading it, it has caused Christians to hate other groups like Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc.....
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Whether that was the intention or not (and it was)...it is the way it is. The NT was and is the textbook for the Christian take over.
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Example: Some wonderful Christians came to America hundreds of years ago to "tame the savages and convert them to Christianity." They killed anyone that wouldn't convert. Where is the "love thy neighbor" there Saint4? WHERE??
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LMAO....you're even trying to talk like a god. False prophets are bad, no?
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Oh come on...don't cop out. Explain it to all of us. Explain why God feels that genocide is good.
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Don't forget, Hitler was a Christian
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and he just LOVED genocide because the Bible taught him all about it!
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Come on.....why is genocide good for God? Please...for those who haven't read up on it....answer the question!!
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What happened to "Love thy neighbor??" In the OT it's "Kill thy neighbor" more often than not.......
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Another cop out......
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Nothing you ever say holds any water.
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You are questioned on what the Bible says and you choose not to answer. I say, "Why does God do this..." and you say "That's what is said in the Bible" and I say "Why does it say that in the Bible" and you say "Because that's what it says."
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You never have a thought of your own and never answer a question that goes against your way of thought. You are basically a straw man...you have no substance whatsoever!
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I'm bored with you AGAIN!
BYE BYE
As I've illustrated, everyone is not loved. Sorry.
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Everyone is not loved?
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Then what does "Love thy neighbor" mean?
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That would mean love everyone wouldn't it?
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So again, you can't have it both ways Saint4...is it "love thy neighbor" or "love thy neighbor only if thy neighbor is a Christian?"
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Honestly...which is it? In one breath you say "Love thy neighbor"
Originally posted by Excitable_Boyand the next you say "not everyone is loved."
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How can you contradict yourself so openly and not even realize it??
quote: Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Then what does "Love thy neighbor" mean?
answer: from Saint4God
This instruction given to us is that we are to love our neighbor and enemy.