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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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The last one foundered on internal opposition so they are getting more cnning by removing the link to congressional districts - defusing that previous problem.

the plan remains the same - "red" states will give all their electoral college votes to a single candidate, but "blue" states will be forced to split their vote so that the "red" candidate will get a subsdtantive portion of the electoral college votes from them.

All you anti-obamaites are worried about Obama's non-existent plans to sieze guns, sociailise medicine, and other fantasies should pay real attention to this -THIS is how your vote will be made meaningless - and it is not a fantasy!

If you think that both parties are the same, both controlled by the NWO, etc - think again - only 1 of them is ACTUALLY proposing anything that will disenfranchise you.

sorry about that.

Obama will be gone in 2016 - but the GOP's attempts to rule the country by fiat continue.




posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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I just love reading opinion pieces from think progress.com........



What a bunch of crap.

Pa wants to award electoral votes according to who wins the popular vote in the state.

That sounds like the most sane idea I have heard in years.

The popular vote is what should be used to elect our leaders, because the electoral college is corrupt and rigged.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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So, no real argument but an empty attack on the messenger. You think gerrymandering is a myth as well?
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Snoopy1978
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So, no argument but an empty attack on the messenger. You think gerrymandering is a myth as well?


The only myth about gerrymandering is that it is unique to one party . . .


Seems to me the blue side is just mad that they don't carry any districts in the red states, but wouldn't get the electoral votes for the biggies outside of the urban pop centers.

The blue side calling out the red side for this, when they have a long standing strategy of targeting the pop centers for the sole purpose of controlling the large states, is well . . . fit for a Morrisette song.

Then there is the OP, who is railing against the boogeyman, as if he isn't playing the same role that he is lip-stroking against . . . only with a blue shirt on.

Pure satirical gold . . .

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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
I just love reading opinion pieces from think progress.com........



What a bunch of crap.


What part of it is not true?

Perhaps you should have looked at he links it contains for more information - eg www.ncnewsonline.com...



Pa wants to award electoral votes according to who wins the popular vote in the state.

That sounds like the most sane idea I have heard in years.

The popular vote is what should be used to elect our leaders, because the electoral college is corrupt and rigged.


I agree - that should be the situation across al states.

However it is up to the states to decide the nature of their vote distribution -

Article 2 of the US Constitution -


Method of choosing electors
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


So anti-democratic gerrymandering can exist if the state legislature so wishes.
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:36 PM
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Here, read this if you can pry yourself off FOX and Limbaugh for a minute.

G errymandering cost dems 17 million votes in just 7 states



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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edit on 4-2-2013 by alienreality because: decided to withdraw from rediculous thread



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by solomons path
Seems to me the blue side is just mad that they don't carry any districts in the red states ..


Given that eh Presidential vote is not by district, what has that got to do with it??


There are plenty of GOP voters in "blue" states and Democrat voters in Red states - but you probably knew that



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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They might have more than just a passing issue here. When THIS:


(Source)

. . .can win 52% of the state vote and carry for the candidate in blue? Errr... yeah.. wow. That is a LARGE majority of the counties in PA who may as well have just stayed home and not even bothered if they were going for the Presidential vote and nothing local. 3 metro areas carried the whole state. Philly, Pittsburgh and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton by where those colors sit on the map.

The only problem I have with this is the idea it's only ONE state and one side with the problem. The issue is far more than one state and both sides are as corrupt as a Bangkok whore house during a major port call.


I'd say they at least put serious effort to fix ALL or explain in clear terms even my kid could understand how one state with issues needs reform and another with issues doesn't.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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Here's another good link:

The great gerrymander of 2012



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:36 PM
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Today, there is no difference between the democrats and republicans, they both sold out the American citizens and expect you to still fight it out in the streets while they stab you in the back. We have just about lost this once great nation, and we know where to find the traitors, too bad we are still looking to each other instead of where the real problem is, We sure could use some REAL LEADERS and reclaim America.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by teslahowitzer
Today, there is no difference between the democrats and republicans, they both sold out the American citizens and expect you to still fight it out in the streets while they stab you in the back. We have just about lost this once great nation, and we know where to find the traitors, too bad we are still looking to each other instead of where the real problem is, We sure could use some REAL LEADERS and reclaim America.

Well said. I came to that truth very late. Too late, probably. I've reached the same conclusion. Imagining the Republicans were a one bit different from the Democrats within the political leadership and Washington was nothing but wishful thinking and hope where there wasn't any to be had.

We do need leaders ...where are they? There are strong and powerful people in this nation that aren't tied into the 'establishment'. Are they all so cowed by events that not a man among them will stand to even SPEAK out? So it goes...with a whisper, not a bang. The whisper of resignation.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Snoopy1978
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Here, read this if you can pry yourself off FOX and Limbaugh for a minute.

G errymandering cost dems 17 million votes in just 7 states


I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't say that the red shirts didn't try to participate or that it was a myth. I said the myth is that both sides don't do so equally. I stated the history of such in my post.

I also don't remember exhalting the virtues of the either the Republican party or conservative pundits.

But that was a cool drone move you pulled . . . deflection and strawman . . . 50pts!



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by solomons path
Seems to me the blue side is just mad that they don't carry any districts in the red states ..


Given that eh Presidential vote is not by district, what has that got to do with it??


There are plenty of GOP voters in "blue" states and Democrat voters in Red states - but you probably knew that


But that's what these guys want to do right? Electoral votes go to popular vote and allocate more electoral votes to the larger areas, where as now, the electoral votes are tied up in the population centers of those states. However, if that happened. There are no red states that are all blue districts outside of red population centers.

I know how things work now . . . I'm talking about what they propose and why the opposition.

I mean you are the one that posted the article . . . albeit, a very propagandized piece.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 01:55 AM
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Exactly what your article said.

The crazy idea Preibus had didn't pass anyone's standards, I don't know what his crazy idea was.

But your article then talked about the idea from Pa, which would award electoral votes to the candidate that won the popular vote.

The crap part is that the idea you put in your title had nothing to do with PA and was shot down, dead in the water.


The PA proposition has nothing to do with the title of your op and it IS on the STATE level..

So what exactly are you complaining about?
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posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:03 AM
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Currently politicos and their friends want to rig the vote again. There is no ethics in either party - lying, cheating, stealing, buying, and intimidation are rampant at the polls, before the polls and after the polls.

Some concerned American citizen could make a lot of bucks by creating fool proof voting machines where the votes are counted by Americans.

Trashing the old voter booths and machines is the only way to go.

Why not an internet voting application creation by some smarter programmer where people could log in and vote from home or a local WiFi area. There are too many loopholes for political parties to exploit and trump up votes for one candidate over another.

There don't appear to be any consequences for voter fraud! Maybe a year in jail would straighten the cheats up.

Every candidate would need to be vetted and any non-factual fictions about the candidates stand on issues should preclude that candidate from running for office.

Being Socialist or Communist isn't such a bad thing if everyone knows the candidate has those sentiments - called honesty in politics.

Hidden agendas are dishonest politics and should be banned.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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Maine and Nebraska do not split up their electoral votes the traditional way.

I've never heard a problem with their systems.

This is just a bunch of whining from the left.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:48 AM
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Pennsylvania Republicans concoct new vote-rigging plan


Maybe the Republicans are tired of the Democrats stuffing the ballot boxes in favor of the Democrats so they are coming up with something to make the playing field more equal. And yes .. the machines in (heavy black-democrat) Philly had registered many votes for Obama even before the voting opened on both election days.

Other problems in Pennsylvania here


Across Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly (and illegally) removed from polling locations. Coincidentally (or not), Mr. Obama received “astronomical” numbers in those very same regions, including locations where he received “over 99%” of the vote.

Ward 4, which also had a poll watcher dressed in Obama attire, went massively for Obama. Mr. Obama received 99.5% of the vote, defeating Mr. Romney 9,955 to 55.

Is it odd that a county that expelled GOP inspectors and had people openly campaigning for Obama ended with 99.5% for Obama and 9955 votes for him? It’s up to you to decide.

Another problem: “Voter turnout in Philadelphia was around 60 percent, according to state election figures.” In these precincts it was well over 90% according to House Speaker Sam Smith of Pennsylvania.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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That would be DIRECT democracy....you democracy NOW.....like real democracy.....



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
The last one foundered on internal opposition so they are getting more cnning by removing the link to congressional districts - defusing that previous problem.

the plan remains the same - "red" states will give all their electoral college votes to a single candidate, but "blue" states will be forced to split their vote so that the "red" candidate will get a subsdtantive portion of the electoral college votes from them.

All you anti-obamaites are worried about Obama's non-existent plans to sieze guns, sociailise medicine, and other fantasies should pay real attention to this -THIS is how your vote will be made meaningless - and it is not a fantasy!

If you think that both parties are the same, both controlled by the NWO, etc - think again - only 1 of them is ACTUALLY proposing anything that will disenfranchise you.

sorry about that.

Obama will be gone in 2016 - but the GOP's attempts to rule the country by fiat continue.



A few things... and I'll work backwards, addressing your OP last. First of all, you are either a drone or troll - BOTH being equally dangerous to the future of the country. BOTH parties are equally corrupt, work for the same master and care not a whit about you. Until you understand that simple, basic premise your opinions are essentially worthless and contribute to the endless stream of propaganda.

Ruling by fiat is the use of Executive Orders, Signing Statements, imposing regulation as de facto law, appointing cabinet members without Congressional hearings, sending our soldiers to war without Congressional approval, continual usurpation of Constitutional rights - THESE are examples of ruling by fiat!

Next, the Electoral College is the grandest FAILING of our political system. I did not vote for Obama. In fact, the district in which I reside overwhelmingly voted for Romney. However, the entirety of Ohio's Electoral College votes went to Obama. So, who was disenfranchised??? The votes of my district did not count toward the election. Look at the election map - what you are advocating for is to essentially let the top 20 metropolitan areas dictate the future of politics in America. Again, who becomes disenfranchised as a result?




All you anti-obamaites are worried about Obama's non-existent plans to sieze guns, sociailise medicine, and other fantasies should pay real attention to this -THIS is how your vote will be made meaningless - and it is not a fantasy!


Hmmmm - fantasy??? He has laid out his plans very publicly - calling for bans on guns, calling for a single-payer healthcare system (Socialized medicine) etc... Pretending he hasn't is the REAL fantasy!

Again, you are either a drone or troll. Which is it!?






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