Senator Byrd talking sense, page
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Topic started on 8-5-2003 @ 06:06 AM by dom
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"What I heard the President say also disturbed me. It may make for grand theater to describe Saddam Hussein as an ally of al Qaeda or to characterize the fall of Baghdad as a victory in the war on terror, but stirring rhetoric does not necessarily reflect sobering reality. Not one of the 19 September 11th hijackers was an Iraqi. In fact, there is not a shred of evidence to link the September 11 attack on the United States to Iraq. There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was an evil despot who brought great suffering to the Iraqi people, and there is no doubt in my mind that he encouraged and rewarded acts of terrorism against Israel. But his crimes are not those of Osama bin Laden, and bringing Saddam Hussein to justice will not bring justice to the victims of 9-11. The United States has made great progress in its efforts to disrupt and destroy the al Qaeda terror network. We can take solace and satisfaction in that fact. We should not risk tarnishing those very real accomplishments by trumpeting victory in Iraq as a victory over Osama bin Laden.
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Looks like some Americans understand the situation. I was impressed by everything this man had to say. Now if only the media and the american people would also wake up perhaps the US could re-establish some kind of legitimacy.


reply posted on 8-5-2003 @ 10:21 AM by astrocreep
Originally posted by dom
astrocreep - Are you trying to say that because I didn't want this war, Saddam Hussein is my hero? Again? I swear, I'm getting f*king bored of this cr*p from you. I have stated clearly in the past that Saddam is a nasty piece of work. But we didn't go to war to free the Iraqi people, that justification came along later when it looked like Iraq didn't have the WMD / terrorist links that the US were looking for.


I think you might have jumped the gun on me there Dom. I don't think asking your opinion on a quote you first posted is accusing you of anything. I am merely trying to better understand your view on these points as I realize that not everyone has the same structured logic but since this seemed to really bring out the anger in you, maybe its best we just let this go. I thought that you might find a bit of information on Sen Byrd interesting as I grew up a in a neighboring state of his and have been subject to many of his speeches for years and am also in the same political party as he.

Again, I thought I would just get your view on the quotes and ask without comment other than I think I said I supported them along with Senator Byrd. I do not think anyone in the administration has ever made the accusation that Saddam was directly responsible for 9-11 nor did I make any suppositions about your view on him.

Maybe you would prefer if the site administrators allow you to decide whom has the privilidge to post to the forums and set the criteria. I may have my opinions but still attempt to maintain a civil tone. I think maybe there is issue of maturity here which might lend itself to the aggression I tend to unwillingly provolk from you. Perhaps these issues are more personal for you than I as you seem so determined that yours be the only opinion expressed ..to the point of defending yourself against accusations that no one has made.


reply posted on 8-5-2003 @ 03:28 PM by Abraham Virtue
Yet the war only was victorious in symbolic ways. We haven't been able to prove that Saddam is dead or inactive in Iraq or not. The only thing we know is that we don't know what is going on with him. No one really knows what Saddam is doing right now, if he is even doing anything at all; for he could be dead, but who knows for sure???

So the victory against Saddam is clear. That victory being the fact that we took his dictatorship from his hands. We didn't stop him from getting it back though. So because of that, this war is only victorious in symbolic ways. For it is well know that Saddam is feared and he could be running an underground operation. For most of his activites were underground anyway. He is a former revolutionary 'hero' and he knows the tricks of the trade. So we can't dispute that this war is not an absolute victory unless Saddam is proven dead or no longer a threat. That is the symbolic way we beat Saddam. That is by showing him we can take his power away.

The symbolic defeat to Bin Laden is the fact that we can take his glory away. For it has been a long awaited destiny of Bin Laden's to be able to take the fundamentalist radicals of Islam and spread their indoctrination into the systems of Iraqi culture. For it is well known that Iraq is a strongly secular state. This is a crime in the eyes of the Wahhabi radicals. So we have been able to frustrate two major enemies of ours, but we haven't gotten rid of their wrath. The wrath they harbor is the fate we hold. We must not fan the flames, or else we are going to get burned. The next victories over Bin Laden will have to be swift and decisive to be effective to the world view and public opinion. They only need strike once, we must strike endlessly until everything is destroyed. The terrorists just once, us always. Is this not a threat????

Yeah it is, but it is the threat of ignorant politics. Byrd is one Senator in the system who understands this threat from ignorance. For no man who breeds ignorance is willing to salvage for his own. Byrd is not ignorant, and knows that he must look after himself and the saftey of others that he represents. He does that not only publicly, and regionally, but nationally, and internationally.

I praise Bryd for not allowing opposing opinions to sway his polices. He has a strong ideal that he believes in and he holds on to like it were his sons going to war. He will not back down to people he should face and he won't turn his back on those he should be facing. He is a strong arm politican. He has strength in his looks and his character. He is an all around good American. He has integrity, honesty, faith, guts, and wisdom. And he serves and serves and serves and serves and serves. He has done more than most politicans dream of. And he is ready to do more. He will not back down to anyone, because he has taken an oath to the people and to God. He is fighting for justice and always will be. He has my praise and my love.



God Bless Robert Byrd

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