Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by 2manyquestions
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Doctors are people, criminals are people, mentally disturbed people are people. [It] Doesn't matter what
instrument is being wielded or what the intentions are, the victims are still dead regardless of whether it happened with a gun, with a scalpel, with
a car, poison, intentionally or accidentally.
The logic is 'Dr's kill more people than guns. So where's the Dr Control?."
I don't think the point here is to reign in the doctors, it's that the outrage over gun deaths is overblown in the media compared to many other
issues causing death in this country. Same could be said for alcohol/drunk driving and dangerous-to-human-health food production (GMO/HFCS, etc.)
which is linked to diabetes, cancer and other deadly ailments.
Let's iron this out a bit.
If people are dying of adverse drug effects, is it because the Dr. is holding them down and shoving pills down their throat? No. The Dr. is making an
educated diagnosis, based upon what he learned in American educational systems, with pressure from pharmaceutical companies bent on profit, and the
patient is willingly ingesting the drug without question.
The patient is ingesting these drugs without questions because he trusts that his doctor knows what he's prescribing. Their "educated" doctor is
writing that prescription. Patients trust their doctors, because they assume these people know what they're doing. That assumption is many times
wrong. Some of these drugs are addictive or cause side-effects for which additional damaging drugs need to be prescribed. There is something to be
said about the doctor who gives in to pressures from pharmaceutical companies to sell their drugs without checking into them first.
Is the Dr. forcing the patient to go to the Dr. against his will? No.
Did the patient likely have health complications before going to the Dr.? Probably.
Is it the Dr's aim to "deal death" to his patients? Rhetorical question.
Will more people live if no one ever went to the Dr.? ........
I'm not arguing that all doctors are bad. I'm arguing that the bad doctors rack up quite the statistics when it comes to premature patient death.
Most doctors don't aim to lose patients, but some do because of their ignorance or carelessness. "Will more people live if no one ever went to the
Dr.?" I don't know the answer to that question, all I know is that many who did go, ended up dead at the hands of their doctors before their time
was up. I'm not saying "Don't go to your doctor".
My argument is that people are outraged by the number of gun deaths, but don't even realize that what's really killing them receives no attention,
because it doesn't meet a political agenda.
Dr's are not weapons. And there was no mention of doing away with the drugs, the pharmaceutical pressure, the unhealthy habits of the patient or the
obviously poor standard of a medical education—the real causes of this 'holocaust.'
I'm not arguing gun control. I'm arguing the lack of critical thought in the author's polemic.
As if insults were ever part of a logical argument.
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people." Is the lamest and least thought out cliché of an argument I've ever seen. It's akin to "it's
always in the last place you look." Of course guns don't kill people; they aren't even alive. You're only pointing out the obvious.
The point of that cliche argument is that the real issue here is the upbringing and culture of a people who oftentimes revert to needles violence when
they encounter a problem in their lives. First there were hands that could choke the life out of somebody, then there were rocks, then poisons, then
spears, swords, bows and arrows, guns, bombs, lasers,.....not to mention all the objects in between that were never designed to kill anyone,....but
they did. These are the things that person A invented to either fight person B, or person B invented to defend himself against person A. In a violent
world objects are only tools of those who wield them. They can be used for good or bad. The outrage over gun violence has brought on legislation and
laws that would ban guns, but these laws completely seem to ignore the real issue. Guns are a symptom of the disease. As long as this disease
continues to spread, guns will be an important part which will sometimes be the deciding factor of whether you live or die.
The outrage should not be about how many people died by the gun, the outrage should be about why they died by the gun. Sometimes that reason can be
linked to the good doctor who prescribed anti-depressants that have been linked to increased suicidal/homicidal tendencies in young adults aged
between 18 and 25. Coincidence?