Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by DarknStormy
i think homosexuality and paedophillia are totally incomparable in this discussion, as i do not believe that "choice" comes into ones hetero or
homosexuality, whereas i believe that disorder and then elements of choice are instrumental in paedophilia.
for example, i assume that you are a male hetero.. in that case could you choose to be attracted to a man and enjoy sexual intercourse with one?
if you did i would suggest that you were actually bisexual and that societies well known inhibitions to anyone who is not hetero acted as a form of
programming to channel you into hetero thinking and repress any homo/bi-sexual inclinations you had.
however with paedophillia, some target (key word is target, not be attracted to) exclusively male children, some female, and some both genders.
obviously the element of consent does not come into it and it is quite rightly considered grossly abusive etc, not to mention immensely damaging to
the victim - all of which is very different to a heterosexual or homosexual person seeking a sexual partner, unless they are a rapist etc but that has
no bearing on this discussion.
paedophillia stems from disorder, where a persons ideation of what is sexually attractive gets twisted or confused at a psychological level - it's a
form of damage or derangement, and then said person may or may not choose to act on it in some manner, which is of course a form of cruelty.
so no, paedophiles are most certainly not born - however, for example, some people are born into abusive circumstances or born with many types of
disorders that confuse or inhibit social communication and their ability to empathise with others and understand human relationships - these can lead
to them becoming paedophiles.
we are way, way off topic now
edit on 6-2-2013 by skalla because: clarity, typos
FParents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX), an educational nonprofit organization, wrote the following on its website PFOX.org, in the section
titled "About Us: Who Are Ex-gays?" (accessed Feb. 27, 2008):
"No one is born gay. All scientific studies including those by gay scientists, have not found any gay gene or gay brain center. There is no medical
test for a gay gene. There is no scientific or DNA test for sexual orientation. Ex-gays are living proof that homosexual orientation is not fixed
The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), wrote the following statements on its website NARTH.com (accessed Sep.
"NARTH agrees with the American Psychological Association that 'biological, psychological and social factors' shape sexual identity at an early age
for most people.
But the difference is one of emphasis. We place more emphasis on the psychological (family, peer and social) influences, while the American
Psychological Association emphasizes biological influences--and has shown no interest in (indeed, a hostility toward) investigating those same
psychological and social influences.
There is no such thing as a 'gay gene' and there is no evidence to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic or unchangeable.
Numerous examples exist of people who have successfully modified their sexual behavior, identity, and arousal or fantasies."
Richard P. Fitzgibbons, MD, Director of Comprehensive Counseling Services at a private psychiatric practice, wrote the following in a 1997 letter to
The Washington Times:
"There is substantial evidence based on years of clinical experience that homosexuality is a developmental disorder."
Richard C. Friedman, MD, Clinical Professor of Psychiatry in the Weill Medical College at Cornell University, wrote the following statement in his
book Sexual Orientation and Pschoanalysis, published in 2002:
"At clinical conferences one often hears discussants commenting that 'homosexuality is genetic' and, therefore, that homosexual orientation is
fixed and unmodifiable. Neither assertion is true. These ideas were sometimes put forth in the 1980s in a debate that has long since ended...
Homosexual orientation results from interaction of many factors, including genetic influences in varying degrees across individuals... The assertion
that homosexuality is genetic is so reductionistic that it must be dismissed out of hand as a general principle of psychology. "
Sexual orientation of any type - homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual - is best conceptualized as part of the psychology of men or the psychology of
The American Psychological Association, considered to be the largest association of psychologists worldwide, wrote the following information on its
website APA.org (accessed Jan. 30, 2009):
"There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation; most scientists today agre