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reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:20 PM by Cynicaleye
Originally posted by neo96
reply to
post by Indigo5



So what about all the fear mongering by the potus, and the police today eh?

Ban all the bad things to make the children "safe",.

Oh never mind that doesn't fit in to the false narrative being spun by the White house.





reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:21 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by intrptr
reply to
post by indigothefish


it seems that the media put a blatant spin on his 'actions' and labeled them 'orders'.

Good eye. I got that too. Thats one way the media reveals their bias. They make it sound like an "emergency meeting" and present it like its what everyone expects and needs (according to them).

When really all that hype will have to boil down to a bill in congress that must be passed by majority vote in order to become law.



The outlets that propigated the false claim of "Executive Orders" vs. "Executive Actions" were the predictable outlets.

It always amazes me that the folks that complain most often about media bias are the ones most engaged in it.

More to the point...Any Federal Gun Ban would need to originate with the GOP dominated house? The same house that is so far right they tried to deny Hurricaine relief to NY and NJ...and Medical assistance funds to first responders from 9-11. How do you think that will go?

As far as the 2nd Amendment that requires 2/3rds of the states legislatures and 2/3 of both houses of congress need to agree to call a constitutional convention. Then 3/4 of the states must ratify the change....in the best of times insanely difficult, but in todays political climate??? impossible.

So yes, there is a whole lot of fear mongering about gun-control....which drives gun-sales...go figure.



reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:22 PM by neo96
reply to post by Cynicaleye



"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:26 PM by Cynicaleye
Originally posted by neo96
reply to
post by Cynicaleye



"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.


You're the one doing the fear mongering pal.


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:28 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by neo96
reply to
post by Indigo5



So what about all the fear mongering by the potus, and the police today eh?

Ban all the bad things to make the children "safe",.

Oh never mind that doesn't fit in to the false narrative being spun by the White house.


You still don't get it do you? You are consuming Fox News et al and all the fear mongering and assuming it is reality.

One side is talking about better background checks and closing the gun show loophole...

The other is screaming Tyranny, Nazi's..."1776 will commence again!!!"...gotta love AJ...


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:32 PM by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5



Yes I do get it.

I know who is recycling 30 year anti gun talking points the same "fear mongering" .

One side clearly knows what the weapons are, and their functions, the other side doesn't and then that side brings up Fox News/AJ to political troll.

When the government makes all the decisions in a citizens life that is not liberty that is tyranny,

When the citizen has to get Government permission to own a firearm that is not liberty that is tyranny.
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reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:36 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by neo96
reply to
post by Cynicaleye



"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.


Who said that?

Just looked at the Transcript of the Presidents speech...Please show me the fear mongering...

www.ibtimes.com...


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:45 PM by eXia7
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



I referenced it in terms that means, every American should express their freedoms to own a firearm, instead of talking about saving freedoms on the internet, they could buy a firearm and add to the growing number of Americans who own them already.

The patriotic part of my comment comes into play when you express your freedoms. I encourage people to purchase a firearm, and learn how to use it. I didn't say you couldn't be patriotic if you didn't own one. But it is a good way to send a message I believe.

or.. you could stand around and hold a sign, your choice.



reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:47 PM by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5



Exploiting peoples fears and blaming "assault weapons" for violence is fear mongering ban all the bad things and that will make people safe

Just get rid of all the bad things!

No, Mr. Vice President. Cops Today Are Not 'Outgunned.'

www.huffingtonpost.com...


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:48 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by eXia7
reply to
post by Aloysius the Gaul



I referenced it in terms that means, every American should express their freedoms to own a firearm, instead of talking about saving freedoms on the internet, they could buy a firearm and add to the growing number of Americans who own them already.

The patriotic part of my comment comes into play when you express your freedoms. I encourage people to purchase a firearm, and learn how to use it. I didn't say you couldn't be patriotic if you didn't own one. But it is a good way to send a message I believe.

or.. you could stand around and hold a sign, your choice.


I own guns, but prefer to vote or protest rather than shoot or threaten people? Just saying ...on the hierarchy of political participation...a gun would seem the least democratic?


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:55 PM by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5





But...you don't fear monger?


Quote it



So when Ronald Reagan fought for the last AW Ban, one which would never pass today...Ronald Reagan was a Tyrant?


Did he now?

"There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism -- government."


theacru.org...


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:55 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by neo96
reply to
post by Indigo5



Exploiting peoples fears and blaming "assault weapons" for violence is fear mongering ban all the bad things and that will make people safe

Just get rid of all the bad things!

No, Mr. Vice President. Cops Today Are Not 'Outgunned.'

www.huffingtonpost.com...


First off...did YOU just cite Huffington Post???...I just neary spit out my coffee...

Second...a single off-hand remark by the gaffe prone Biden doesn't constitute "fear mongering" by gun control advocates et al....it constitutes Joe Biden speaking.

Third comparing that singular remark to the tonnage of NRA, Beck, Rush, Fox et al is just silly..

Last...he didn't say "Cops today are outgunned"


"There were fewer police being murdered, fewer police being outgunned when the assault weapons ban, in fact, was in existence," Biden said.


Fewer...fewer...assuming that not every Police Department is equiped the same..

See how that works? He says "fewer"...which could mean a 1% drop? And you say "Cops today" as all-inclusive...

It will be refreshing when your ilk can debate honestly...we might get honest answers..
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reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 04:57 PM by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5





I own guns, but prefer to vote or protest rather than shoot or threaten people? Just saying ...on the hierarchy of political participation...a gun would seem the least democratic?


Inquiring minds what to know what kind of guns?

Come on now what kind?

A gun is the epitome of democracy more guns, more rounds they fire the more say the individual has.


reply posted on 4-2-2013 @ 05:05 PM by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5





First off...did YOU just cite Huffington Post???...I just neary spit out my coffee...


Clearly



Second...a single off-hand remark by the gaffe prone Biden doesn't constitute "fear mongering" by gun control advocates et al....it constitutes Joe Biden speaking.


Oh so its a "gaffee"



Third comparing that singular remark to the tonnage of NRA, Beck, Rush, Fox et al is just silly..


Political trolling



Last...he didn't say "Cops today are outgunned"


Then why is he and the administration using the same talking points from the same period of time?



Fewer...fewer...assuming that not every Police Department is equiped the same..


Acutally most are these days they all have "assault weapons" and they have a hell of a lot more.



It will be refreshing when your ilk can debate honestly...we might get honest answers.


What about that ilk who are lying and making up names for guns that are clearly not designed for war?

No there is no honest answers to be had from that ilk since all they can do is LIE,.
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