Obama giving speech on gun control in Minneapolis, Minn.

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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by JimmyNeutron

He is merely the salesman for policies that are not his own... He has demeaned the office.


You know who doesn't vet policy through the people? Tyrants.

You guys crack me up......oh no...he's involving the actual "people"!!

The vitriol is schitzophrenic.


Well considering he "was vetting policy" to the people who voted for him where was the rest of the country eh?

Sic semper tyrannis-thus always to tyrants.
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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So what about all the fear mongering by the potus, and the police today eh?

Ban all the bad things to make the children "safe",.

Oh never mind that doesn't fit in to the false narrative being spun by the White house.





posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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it seems that the media put a blatant spin on his 'actions' and labeled them 'orders'.

Good eye. I got that too. Thats one way the media reveals their bias. They make it sound like an "emergency meeting" and present it like its what everyone expects and needs (according to them).

When really all that hype will have to boil down to a bill in congress that must be passed by majority vote in order to become law.



The outlets that propigated the false claim of "Executive Orders" vs. "Executive Actions" were the predictable outlets.

It always amazes me that the folks that complain most often about media bias are the ones most engaged in it.

More to the point...Any Federal Gun Ban would need to originate with the GOP dominated house? The same house that is so far right they tried to deny Hurricaine relief to NY and NJ...and Medical assistance funds to first responders from 9-11. How do you think that will go?

As far as the 2nd Amendment that requires 2/3rds of the states legislatures and 2/3 of both houses of congress need to agree to call a constitutional convention. Then 3/4 of the states must ratify the change....in the best of times insanely difficult, but in todays political climate??? impossible.

So yes, there is a whole lot of fear mongering about gun-control....which drives gun-sales...go figure.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:22 PM
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reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.


You're the one doing the fear mongering pal.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5
 


So what about all the fear mongering by the potus, and the police today eh?

Ban all the bad things to make the children "safe",.

Oh never mind that doesn't fit in to the false narrative being spun by the White house.


You still don't get it do you? You are consuming Fox News et al and all the fear mongering and assuming it is reality.

One side is talking about better background checks and closing the gun show loophole...

The other is screaming Tyranny, Nazi's..."1776 will commence again!!!"...gotta love AJ...



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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MASS SUICIDE PILLS



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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Yes I do get it.

I know who is recycling 30 year anti gun talking points the same "fear mongering" .

One side clearly knows what the weapons are, and their functions, the other side doesn't and then that side brings up Fox News/AJ to political troll.

When the government makes all the decisions in a citizens life that is not liberty that is tyranny,

When the citizen has to get Government permission to own a firearm that is not liberty that is tyranny.
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Cynicaleye
 


"the police are outgunned"

Ring a bell?

And the bell is fear mongering.


Who said that?

Just looked at the Transcript of the Presidents speech...Please show me the fear mongering...

www.ibtimes.com...



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:42 PM
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Why can't you try the next 250 years without citizen gun ownership and see how it turns out?



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by neo96


When the government makes all the decisions in a citizens life that is not liberty that is tyranny,


Background checks = "government makes all the decisions in a citizens life" = Tyranny??

But...you don't fear monger?


When the citizen has to get Government permission to own a firearm that is not liberty that is tyranny.


So when Ronald Reagan fought for the last AW Ban, one which would never pass today...Ronald Reagan was a Tyrant?

It has to be strange for you, in your world, to be so far right that Ronald Reagan appears to be a Socialist Tyrant.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:45 PM
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I referenced it in terms that means, every American should express their freedoms to own a firearm, instead of talking about saving freedoms on the internet, they could buy a firearm and add to the growing number of Americans who own them already.

The patriotic part of my comment comes into play when you express your freedoms. I encourage people to purchase a firearm, and learn how to use it. I didn't say you couldn't be patriotic if you didn't own one. But it is a good way to send a message I believe.

or.. you could stand around and hold a sign, your choice.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:47 PM
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Exploiting peoples fears and blaming "assault weapons" for violence is fear mongering ban all the bad things and that will make people safe

Just get rid of all the bad things!

No, Mr. Vice President. Cops Today Are Not 'Outgunned.'

www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by eXia7
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


I referenced it in terms that means, every American should express their freedoms to own a firearm, instead of talking about saving freedoms on the internet, they could buy a firearm and add to the growing number of Americans who own them already.

The patriotic part of my comment comes into play when you express your freedoms. I encourage people to purchase a firearm, and learn how to use it. I didn't say you couldn't be patriotic if you didn't own one. But it is a good way to send a message I believe.

or.. you could stand around and hold a sign, your choice.


I own guns, but prefer to vote or protest rather than shoot or threaten people? Just saying ...on the hierarchy of political participation...a gun would seem the least democratic?



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:49 PM
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None of you conspiracy loonies ever considered that Obama could very well be working hand-in-hand with weapons producers/sellers/whatever ?

Step 1 : make annoucement on how you're going to work on gun control
=> happy liberals
=> unhappy democrats running to gun shops to get as much weapons secured before more gun control laws are voted.

Step 2 : accept to make some changes on the proposition so it'll finally target only a few psychos and extreme cases of gun traffic.

You've sold a whole load of guns, you've still enough room to create other gun control related laws and make more announcements later during your presidency and your party is satisfied because you've done what liberals expected you to do : thoughen gun laws.

A win/win situation.

Rince & repeat.
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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But...you don't fear monger?


Quote it




So when Ronald Reagan fought for the last AW Ban, one which would never pass today...Ronald Reagan was a Tyrant?


Did he now?


"There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism -- government."


theacru.org...



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5
 


Exploiting peoples fears and blaming "assault weapons" for violence is fear mongering ban all the bad things and that will make people safe

Just get rid of all the bad things!

No, Mr. Vice President. Cops Today Are Not 'Outgunned.'

www.huffingtonpost.com...


First off...did YOU just cite Huffington Post???...I just neary spit out my coffee...

Second...a single off-hand remark by the gaffe prone Biden doesn't constitute "fear mongering" by gun control advocates et al....it constitutes Joe Biden speaking.

Third comparing that singular remark to the tonnage of NRA, Beck, Rush, Fox et al is just silly..

Last...he didn't say "Cops today are outgunned"



"There were fewer police being murdered, fewer police being outgunned when the assault weapons ban, in fact, was in existence," Biden said.


Fewer...fewer...assuming that not every Police Department is equiped the same..

See how that works? He says "fewer"...which could mean a 1% drop? And you say "Cops today" as all-inclusive...

It will be refreshing when your ilk can debate honestly...we might get honest answers..
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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I own guns, but prefer to vote or protest rather than shoot or threaten people? Just saying ...on the hierarchy of political participation...a gun would seem the least democratic?


Inquiring minds what to know what kind of guns?

Come on now what kind?

A gun is the epitome of democracy more guns, more rounds they fire the more say the individual has.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock Obama said that "most" americans are coming around to his way of thinking. Well they are not and he knows it.


I think the POTUS and his supporters are of the school of thought that the actual facts are not as important as how many times and how loudly/animatedly you say them. He knows for a fact that is not true but is hoping that if he says it enough and with flair that eventually a good percentage of the people will come to accept it as the truth. It’s a technique used in indoctrinating the masses.

This was the same answer he gave for the health care bill - he'd say that more people are getting on board every day yet some pundit would show a poll to the opposite effect and he'd counter with saying louder and more often.

He gave 170+ speeches on health care before it was weaseled through with no popular support.

Our Senator here in MO ole Common Sense Claire - told us flat out at every town hall meeting that we didn't know what was good for us and that she would "vote" her conscience rather than vote our wishes...

Ah, a representative republic in action....

Regardless of our wishes, I am sure we are about to get something in the way of new gun-control. Of that I have no doubt. They will call in all the favors and bribes and kickbacks and incentives to make it happen.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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First off...did YOU just cite Huffington Post???...I just neary spit out my coffee...


Clearly




Second...a single off-hand remark by the gaffe prone Biden doesn't constitute "fear mongering" by gun control advocates et al....it constitutes Joe Biden speaking.


Oh so its a "gaffee"




Third comparing that singular remark to the tonnage of NRA, Beck, Rush, Fox et al is just silly..


Political trolling




Last...he didn't say "Cops today are outgunned"


Then why is he and the administration using the same talking points from the same period of time?




Fewer...fewer...assuming that not every Police Department is equiped the same..


Acutally most are these days they all have "assault weapons" and they have a hell of a lot more.




It will be refreshing when your ilk can debate honestly...we might get honest answers.


What about that ilk who are lying and making up names for guns that are clearly not designed for war?

No there is no honest answers to be had from that ilk since all they can do is LIE,.



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