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Originally posted by ZeroReady
I'll never understand why people are worried about the govt watching them through ATS. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act pretty much guarantees that you're being watched, recorded, and analyzed without any help from ATS. Everything you do online is recorded by your ISP and the NSA can access whatever they want without a warrant.
ATS is the least of your concerns
Originally posted by Rising Against
Originally posted by ObservingYou
Number one Disinfo Agent here folks!!
Originally posted by Hefficide
Given the facts on the table ( just click my name and go to any number of my previous threads discussing the topic or even related ones ) - I have to work under the assumption that there are, indeed, professional agent provocateurs not just on ATS, but online in general. This is a belief based in documented and published fact.
Beyond that, however, anything else I might think or add falls into opinion. That's something that they, IMO, rely upon heavily. For example: I know that I don't work for Uncle Sam or any contractors of his, nor do I get paid by any corporate interests to post here. The catch is that while I know it, nobody else can be sure of it. The same applies to each and every other member of ATS. Even if we know other ATS'ers IRL - only they can be fairly sure we're legit. Everyone else is in the dark.
I've got a few folks who tend to come into nearly all of my threads, rather quickly, to derail and pursue an agenda or two. It's part of my life to know that if I do post a thread, I'm very likely to see their familiar faces. The question is do I think that they are paid to come at me? I honestly don't believe that. As a moderator I have to remove posts, close threads, and send out messages asking folks to follow the rules. Most of the community understands this and accepts it. Some, however, hold grudges. From my POV? Honestly, if I remove your post all chances are that an hour later I won't even remember what username I actioned. I make an effort not to keep "score" - so that I don't end up looking for offense.
Thankfully I can also recall the time before I was on staff - and even then I had a couple of folks who seemed to enjoy yanking my chain and who'd visit my threads to derail and disrupt. I didn't think that they were paid to do so either. I just accepted that there are those out there who might not agree with my world view and who might get their jollies by trying to provoke me.
Long story short? Even if there are paid agents here, the key to coping is to treat them like any other disruptive member. Calling them, or anyone else "shill" will only get you in trouble. So worrying about whether or not they are is kind of pointless. Paid or not, their goal is to sidetrack conversation and push an agenda. Simply don't let them. Stay on topic, ignore the distractions, and keep the conversation going.
I do, agree, though... easier said than done sometimes. Emotions are real and there are folks in this world who certainly know how to push buttons.
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Would you like a quick tip for knowing if an OP is worth reading and the info important?
There are government/corporation shills on this forum. They will discredit/undermine/derail any useful info. The better the info, the quicker they will show up and the harsher their undermining efforts.
It is ironic that we can use this development to identify worthwhile threads because when I see a 'discrediting' campaign begin (especially when more than one shill turns up), then that serves to show the info is solid.
Next time you see a thread that's quite long and you're not sure if you wanna read the whole thing, check out the initial replies, the shills show up like clockwork to undermine the information if it is any good. Same tactics are used each time but it serves as a good indicator of what info is worthwhile.