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Half of the vegans were categorized as vitamin B12 deficient and would be expected to have a higher risk of developing clinical symptoms related to vitamin B12 deficiency.
Unfortunately, this could not be further from the truth. The most common, serious damage that results from vitamin B12 deficiency is when a pregnant vegan who does not supplement has a baby who also does not get any B12 supplementation. Typically, around 6 months of age, the infant’s growth and neurological development ceases and then begins to regress. In many cases, such infants have sustained permanent brain damage.
Researchers have long known that a strict vegetarian diet -- one that excludes all animal products -- can lead to vitamin B-12 deficiency, and possibly heart disease. Now, new research suggests that even those who follow a more lenient vegetarian diet are also at risk.
Now I have though about your side of the arguement.
How about you step up and at least see a rabbit killed, skinned and eat some. You may actually get some insight into the wonder that is nature that you are really...really missing out on.
Although a person can eat specific plant life such as Soy Beans, Tree Nuts and various Legumes that will provide a person with the needed Amino-acids necessary for survival...
The just-released “Vegetarianism in America” study, shows that 3.2 percent of U.S. adults, or 7.3 million people, follow a vegetarian-based diet. Approximately 0.5 percent, or 1 million, of those are vegans, who consume no animal products at all. In addition, 10 percent of U.S., adults, or 22.8 million people, say they largely follow a vegetarian-inclined diet.
Our Bodies are designed to Kill and Eat Animal Flesh and our bodies are Healthier when we do so.
The worse thing for me was lack of ability to concentrate or think quickly as I noticed after some time a BIG difference in my abilities mentally
Originally posted by ottobot
We cannot escape our nature.
Originally posted by gosseyn
The question is : do we have to continue doing something we did in the past, just because we did it in the past ? Is that reason enough ? What is the reasoning behind that ? Should we follow nature in everything that nature did ? And haven't we freed ourselves from some of nature's rules until now ? Are we destined for the stars for example ? Or are we destined to stay on that blue marble just because we have been here for thousands of years now ?
One interesting thing about the current western culture: it emphasizes/celebrates the carnal side of our nature, but degrades the spiritual side as "outdated". The balance that we achieved as a species has been lost by this culture because all behaviors are driven by materialism.
We have always wanted to go to the stars. Some of us do. Yet, the rest of us are limited by one specific part of our own nature as a species: greed. Only the "best" get to go to space, because they are the only ones who "deserve" to go to space. They are no different than the rest of us, except they were born in a position to be considered "best". (One movie that explores this phenomena and almost in the same context is GATTACA.)
Even so, we cannot escape our nature, even in space. If I existed in space, I would still want to grow plants. I would do whatever it took to successfully grow plants in space, even though that is not the nature of earth plants in space. This is in my nature. If I landed on a planet, I would learn the vegetation and animals and begin to cultivate these things to produce a sustainable food source for myself and my comrades. This is my nature. I can choose to deny this nature, but I then begin to suffer because I've always (seriously, since about age 2) been driven to plant seeds and help them grow.
We are animals, but we have a specificity, like ants have their own specificity or dolphins or lizards etc., we are not better but different. Our specificity lies in our capacity to anticipate, to reflect, to chose, to be conscious of consequences to a certain extent. Should we harvest those possibilities or should we just ignore them and keep doing business as usual ?
Ahh, but that's the thing: Humans as a group do not care about consequences.
A Human sees the consequences of his/her actions because his/her life is affected by action or inaction. The Humans (as a group) are oblivious to the consequences of their actions. This is because, collectively, we believe that it's "someone else's problem" and we try to blame our errors on groups of humans we don't like. This is in our nature. This is not limited to one culture or set of humans. This is human nature.
Ultimately, I think it is a debate about culture/nature.
Indeed, but the key is to have a balance between one's culture and one's own nature. This is what we have lost.
You ask, "Who do we want to be?"
The answer, for many humans, is, "Who do they want us to be?"edit on 2/5/13 by ottobot because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by gosseyn
I think we have different ideas about what "human nature" means.
I don't think "greed" is in our nature, but is only a behaviour that can appear under specific conditions. We are not greedy for stuff that is present in abundance, regardless if we need that stuff for our survival or not. Here are 2 example : the air we breathe and sea water. We need breathable air for our survival and yet we don't stock breathable air, and even if I am in a crowded place, I know there is enough breathable air for everyone. We don't need sea water for our survival, and it is present in abundance, thus no one is greedy about sea water. In those 2 examples, the conditions for greed to appear are not met, and subsequently there is no greed for breathable air or sea water, until the environment/conditions is/are changed.
The real question is : what do we think we need ? And this is a question about cultural environment. In a society where scarcity is artificially maintained, and where greed is almost celebrated, there will be greed.
Originally posted by gosseyn
Did you know that human beings actually KILL other animals to EAT them ? Don't you find that disgusting ? They even have built factories to INDUSTRIALISE the process of killing the other sentient animals and chop them in small portions that they pack in plastic. WOW. At first I didn't want to believe it but I have seen the proofs. It's 100% true. They eat dead corpses of animals that are made of exactly the same stuff as them, and almost every human being find that this is totally normal. They even encourage their own LITTLE CHILDREN to eat dead corpses of other sentient beings, imagine that... I mean, what do they have in mind ?? Can't they just think for one second ? I am truly out of words..